V75 ASE & AGE grades from our host.

Batman23 · November 15, 2020 8:41AM

What are your experiences with picking up a PR70? My previous experience tells me I am more of a 69 kind of guy. I would love to strike a 70. But is that realistic for the average schmo? I see the few on the pop report reflect almost 50% at the moment. This years previous releases tend to show very heavy on the 70 side.

Batman23 · November 15, 2020 8:57AM

Here are the AGE grades as of today as well for those that might want to comment on either.

ricko · November 16, 2020 7:02AM

I would be happy with the ASE....Do not need a grade/slab. Cheers, RickO

TurtleCat · November 16, 2020 7:24AM

What would be surprising is something not DCAM and below 68.

Goldminers · November 16, 2020 8:49AM

@TurtleCat said:
What would be surprising is something not DCAM and below 68.

That won't happen until mine gets graded there in a couple days.

Goldminers · November 16, 2020 8:54AM

Be careful of some of the early pop reports they do not always match CoinFacts and the many different label results can be added in over time, even at night.

Batman23 · November 17, 2020 10:25AM

11/17 numbers. Looks like decent quality control.

Batman23 · November 17, 2020 10:26AM

What is up with "First Day" of issue? Guess I will have to look that one up. My First day of issue just finally shipped.

Joe_360 · November 17, 2020 10:33AM

wow! I have never seen any ASE graded at a 68 ever... Even the oldest ones... Probably because there are hind...

Mgarmy · November 17, 2020 10:55AM

Fdoi is a dealer thing I think. Us normal people pay 18 more bucks for first strike

Batman23 · November 18, 2020 2:35PM

Numbers are beginning to rise...

Batman23 · November 18, 2020 2:40PM

Interesting that dealer FDOI submissions have a higher 70 rate than collector FS submissions.

TurtleCat · November 18, 2020 2:45PM

@Batman23 said:
Interesting that dealer FDOI submissions have a higher 70 rate than collector FS submissions.

I just wonder how on earth anyone can get one of these coins sent to pcgs within 24 hours to qualify? At least that’s what I’ve seen as the requirements.

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 18, 2020 2:53PM

@TurtleCat said:

@Batman23 said:
Interesting that dealer FDOI submissions have a higher 70 rate than collector FS submissions.

I just wonder how on earth anyone can get one of these coins sent to pcgs within 24 hours to qualify? At least that’s what I’ve seen as the requirements.

ordered first day, to grader within 7

TurtleCat · November 18, 2020 2:57PM

@ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ said:

@TurtleCat said:

@Batman23 said:
Interesting that dealer FDOI submissions have a higher 70 rate than collector FS submissions.

I just wonder how on earth anyone can get one of these coins sent to pcgs within 24 hours to qualify? At least that’s what I’ve seen as the requirements.

ordered first day, to grader within 7

Seems with some of these that even expedited shipping wouldn’t get it there in time. It doesn’t impact me personally as the label designation means nothing to me but I’m curious how the logistics works out. The mint didn’t even ship my silver v75 until today. So even though all of these are essentially produced at the same time I can’t get the designation (if I wanted) because of the mints shipping slowdown.

Batman23 · November 18, 2020 3:00PM

The submitter would have to have it postmarked by a certain date, not to the grader at that point. Is the 7 days based on the mints ship date or the submitter's ship date? I would think the former.

Batman23 · November 19, 2020 3:09PM

Some pop numbers showing 11-19-20.

Mgarmy · November 19, 2020 4:27PM

Luck that the fdoi are pulling the 70’s?

Goldminers · November 19, 2020 4:32PM

It is not luck, more like experience.

Mgarmy · November 19, 2020 4:41PM

Could be but how many times have they said the dif between a 69/70 in these modern mint proofs is a coin flip? Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Goldminers · November 19, 2020 5:10PM

If I look close enough with a 4-5X loupe, at various angles, with different lighting frequencies, in almost every case I usually can see the flaw in a PCGS graded 69 somewhere.

I usually see these flaws after I receive the 69 grade, not before I send them in.

That is the experience part.

Mgarmy · November 19, 2020 5:14PM

So how many do you think they have to see to determine what a 70 is in a given new coin? They would need to compare against something wouldn’t they. Can they compare a proof ASE with a privy ASE or the standard for the coin come from the first fifty or so and then that becomes the high water mark?

GiveMeProof · November 19, 2020 6:29PM

@Joe_360 said:
wow! I have never seen any ASE graded at a 68 ever... Even the oldest ones... Probably because there are hind...

Wanna buy a 2019-S ERP in 68?

Eagleguy · November 19, 2020 7:14PM

@Joe_360 said:
wow! I have never seen any ASE graded at a 68 ever... Even the oldest ones... Probably because there are hind...

I once owned a 95-W graded PR66.

TurtleCat · November 19, 2020 7:17PM

@Mgarmy said:
So how many do you think they have to see to determine what a 70 is in a given new coin? They would need to compare against something wouldn’t they. Can they compare a proof ASE with a privy ASE or the standard for the coin come from the first fifty or so and then that becomes the high water mark?

I assume they probably base it on previous proof SAEs. The privy is the only difference. But I’m sure there is a small adjustment as they see more.

Mgarmy · November 19, 2020 7:21PM

Cool. Thanks. I wonder if the privy and how it was struck will
Be the differentiator. Seems like some I have seen messed up the reflectivity field a bit

Batman23 · November 20, 2020 4:41PM

Some numbers for today, steadily increasing. Quality looks good. A new label added under gold.

Dollar2007 · November 20, 2020 9:05PM

Are the labels with names on them just those signed labels? Like the Mark Cuban one showing up on CoinFacts.

ricko · November 21, 2020 7:02AM

So let me see if I understand this.... Looking at ASE's.... The line that says BASE are submissions that are not submitted as 'First Strike' or 'First Day of Issue'.... Is that the only difference? Cheers, RickO

Batman23 · November 21, 2020 7:06AM

@ricko said:
So let me see if I understand this.... Looking at ASE's.... The line that says BASE are submissions that are not submitted as 'First Strike' or 'First Day of Issue'.... Is that the only difference? Cheers, RickO

That is the way I interpret the reports. A little confusing when there is no coin# for base and where the base coin# is it calculates all the totals below it. I guess it makes sense once you get used to it...

Onedollarnohollar · November 21, 2020 9:03AM

looking at the balance between 69's and 70's for the silver it seems the quality control at the mint wasn't as strong as for the gold.

Batman23 · November 21, 2020 9:50AM

@Onedollarnohollar said:
looking at the balance between 69's and 70's for the silver it seems the quality control at the mint wasn't as strong as for the gold.

Especially under the FS submission... Running about 50/50 at the moment

Batman23 · November 21, 2020 3:45PM

Some updated numbers for 11/21. I see there is a new label for the silver and a new label for the gold now.
What is up with the "Premier 1 of 500" on the silvers? Did someone submit 500 silver V75s?

Batman23 · November 23, 2020 5:35PM

Not much change. The numbers now are the same as it showed yesterday (Sunday).

Mgarmy · November 23, 2020 11:21PM

Just got moved to encapsulation. Fingers crossed!

blu62vette · November 23, 2020 11:48PM

OK who made the Privy silver in 67DCAM?

Batman23 · November 24, 2020 3:53PM

A new POP 1 was made as blu62vette had already noticed.
A bunch of ASEs hit the charts over the last day.

Mgarmy · November 24, 2020 4:11PM

If that 67 is mine I am going to cry

Batman23 · November 24, 2020 11:30PM

@ricko said:
I would be happy with the ASE....Do not need a grade/slab. Cheers, RickO

I know you were talking about getting one of these ASEs since before the release fiasco. Seems like WWII era means a lot for you. Just curious, did you ever get your hands on the ASE yet?

jdimmick · November 25, 2020 1:32AM

Im really surprised to see only 1 lower grade, I got three in the shop from customers selling thiers. and only one of those, I thought was 69 quality, most were down right dogs, iincl mine.

wondercoin · November 25, 2020 4:20AM

Remember, the FDI pops do not typically include the coins that failed to grade 70. The “base” does much more often.

Just my 2 cents.

Wondercoin

ricko · November 25, 2020 5:59AM

@Batman23....Yes, it does mean a lot to me since I was a toddler during that period and remember the stories from my parents and family. And yes, I did acquire one through a very generous forum member. Cheers, RickO

Batman23 · November 25, 2020 9:34AM

@ricko said:
@Batman23....Yes, it does mean a lot to me since I was a toddler during that period and remember the stories from my parents and family. And yes, I did acquire one through a very generous forum member. Cheers, RickO

Glad to hear that! I was going to offer you one at a rate you couldn't turn down. I am happy to see another member helped you out.

ricko · November 25, 2020 9:37AM

@Batman23... Thank you sir, we have great members here and we do offer help to others when possible. Cheers, RickO

MetroD · November 25, 2020 11:48AM

@Batman23 said:
That is the way I interpret the reports. A little confusing when there is no coin# for base and where the base coin# is it calculates all the totals below it. I guess it makes sense once you get used to it...

There appears to be a 'bug' in the PCGS "pop report".

The 'top' row for 20XE is PCGS #819292. Meanwhile, the 'top' row for 20XF is PCGS#819301.

When 'expanded' to show the label details, the 'top' row should display the coin totals (i.e., sum all of the different labels).

Issue: when there are no "base" coins, the "base" row should display "0". Instead, it is incorrectly duplicating the row beneath it.

Compare '20XF/PCGS #819301' on 11/18/20 and 11/19/20. On 11/18/20, there were presumably no "base" coins to report. So, the "base" row simply duplicated the row beneath it. However, on 11/19/20, there were some reported "base" coins. As a result, the "base" row was correctly reported, and the math makes sense.

Batman23 · November 25, 2020 7:02PM

New numbers. Lots of silver showing up today. New labels appearing and cluttering things up.
Us First Strike submitters are not doing well on the ASE PR70 average. Starting to get hit on the AGE too.

blu62vette · November 25, 2020 7:09PM

@wondercoin said:
Remember, the FDI pops do not typically include the coins that failed to grade 70. The “base” does much more often.

Just my 2 cents.

Wondercoin

Why not? I have FDOI in 69.

wondercoin · November 25, 2020 7:20PM

Blu62vette... do you see all those specialized FDI inserts of pop 50, pop 150, pop 100, etc? Do you think those submitters who received 150 in 70 let’s say, submitted only 150 coins and those coins graded 70 in 150/150 cases?

Wondercoin

Batman23 · November 25, 2020 7:31PM

What happened to these 35 that were to be part of 500? Submission gone wrong? The coin number is no good now.

blu62vette · November 25, 2020 9:13PM

@wondercoin said:
Blu62vette... do you see all those specialized FDI inserts of pop 50, pop 150, pop 100, etc? Do you think those submitters who received 150 in 70 let’s say, submitted only 150 coins and those coins graded 70 in 150/150 cases?

Wondercoin

Gotcha I thought you meant the were all screened for 70's and could not get 69's.

Batman23 · November 30, 2020 2:40PM

Not a lot of change from over the Thanksgiving weekend.

V75 ASE & AGE grades from our host.

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