@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
Incredible. So, he's been using them for the post first day releases? Infuriating.
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
Wow, he just made an average person's yearly salary in just a couple of weeks. Hey, when you get a copy of the bot can you forward a copy over to me also?
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
Wow, he just made an average person's yearly salary in just a couple of weeks. Hey, when you get a copy of the bot can you forward a copy over to me also?
He does this all the time with various hot releases, heavily on sneakers, but also stuff like Pokemon, Magic, other collectables that try to drive hype with low production runs. He has a web server and a VPN and simply changes IP addresses every purchase, as well as having about two dozen PO Boxes.
He seems to make a pretty good living, his profile picture is him next to a 7 series BMW.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
I usually don't wish bad things on people, but in this case I'll make an exception.
Send me the bot guys email address, maybe I have some friends that could complicate his life a bit...if what he is doing is against the law as it relates to using bots with the mint. Him using a vpn is no show stopper.
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After the mint refreshed their page, my gold coin was removed from my bag.....
I could of purchased all the mayflower series at 9:30 but passed on them.
@Mgarmy said:
Send me the bot guys email address, maybe I have some friends that could complicate his life a bit...if what he is doing is against the law as it relates to using bots with the mint. Him using a vpn is no show stopper.
He is bypassing a retail seller's house hold limit rule. But I cannot imagine there is a law violation that took place using a bot to make a purchase.
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
Wow, he just made an average person's yearly salary in just a couple of weeks. Hey, when you get a copy of the bot can you forward a copy over to me also?
He does this all the time with various hot releases, heavily on sneakers, but also stuff like Pokemon, Magic, other collectables that try to drive hype with low production runs. He has a web server and a VPN and simply changes IP addresses every purchase, as well as having about two dozen PO Boxes.
He seems to make a pretty good living, his profile picture is him next to a 7 series BMW.
Just think about it, if this guy can do it, there's probably 100's of others doing the same thing.
Just look at ebay where these coins are being sold and the sellers mostly have a history of selling sneakers, hot wheels, popular clothes and toys.
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
Wow, he just made an average person's yearly salary in just a couple of weeks. Hey, when you get a copy of the bot can you forward a copy over to me also?
He does this all the time with various hot releases, heavily on sneakers, but also stuff like Pokemon, Magic, other collectables that try to drive hype with low production runs. He has a web server and a VPN and simply changes IP addresses every purchase, as well as having about two dozen PO Boxes.
He seems to make a pretty good living, his profile picture is him next to a 7 series BMW.
Just think about it, if this guy can do it, there's probably 100's of others doing the same thing.
Just look at ebay where these coins are being sold and the sellers mostly have a history of selling sneakers, hot wheels, popular clothes and toys.
Yes, it's the buyer's clubs. They discovered coins in the last couple of years.
Using crowd sourcing like the one we discussed earlier is not against the law. However I am going to see what justice dept thinks about using bots against a us gov web site. Might just be considered hacking😃. Depending on how many times they have done it, might meet the threshold for a little lookse. It is worth a shot.
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After SO much effort, frustration and time my V75 AGE just arrived.
I never thought that I'd get one. What a lucky break last Thursday. When fractions of a second count I can only be incredibly grateful to finally own this coin. All that went into it will make it all the more meaningful.
It will never be sold in my lifetime. I am so grateful for all the the tips and support of my fellow forum members. My most sincere wishes of luck to the collectors who have yet to get one being shut out by flippers.
I've started out so many days incredibly frustrated by this coin. What a wonderful change from frustration to joy today.
People feel so left out on the v75’s they just want to get in on anything now that is moderately low mintage from the mint and doing the happy dance when they get it.
@Mgarmy said:
Using crowd sourcing like the one we discussed earlier is not against the law. However I am going to see what justice dept thinks about using bots against a us gov web site. Might just be considered hacking😃. Depending on how many times they have done it, might meet the threshold for a little lookse. It is worth a shot.
They will not give a shit.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
This is why we shouldn't want them to deliver to po boxes or to trickle them out day by day. The best chance for the average buyer is all inventory at one time. And if there ends up being additional inventory hold it for a second release down the line.
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@Raufus said:
After SO much effort, frustration and time my V75 AGE just arrived.
I never thought that I'd get one. What a lucky break last Thursday. When fractions of a second count I can only be incredibly grateful to finally own this coin. All that went into it will make it all the more meaningful.
It will never be sold in my lifetime. I am so grateful for all the the tips and support of my fellow forum members. My most sincere wishes of luck to the collectors who have yet to get one being shut out by flippers.
I've started out so many days incredibly frustrated by this coin. What a wonderful change from frustration to joy today.
@Mgarmy said:
Using crowd sourcing like the one we discussed earlier is not against the law. However I am going to see what justice dept thinks about using bots against a us gov web site. Might just be considered hacking😃. Depending on how many times they have done it, might meet the threshold for a little lookse. It is worth a shot.
They will not give a shit.
Probably right but I have seen investigations started for less. Treasury might take a dim view. Cannot hurt it is just an email and a phone call. Already emailed a buddy in CISA to get his take.
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@foraiur said:
This is why we shouldn't want them to deliver to po boxes or to trickle them out day by day. The best chance for the average buyer is all inventory at one time. And if there ends up being additional inventory hold it for a second release down the line.
Some of us only receive our mail delivered to a PO Box. USPS does not provide home delivery in my town as well as many of the towns around me. Post office boxes are free, one per household, because of this.
@Kliao said: @Raufus Congrats! Great looking coin! Did you UPS guy follow your instructions on your door?
Looks like my chances are dwindling but I’ll never stop until it says sold out!
Indeed he did. I RAN up the stairs but my wife already had it.
This one didn't quit until the end.
I called the Mint last night to ask why it was marked shipped hours earlier yet it hadn't moved. She said she'd look in the back system. After a long hold she said that she saw that the funding source was initially denied (no idea how, I checked several times right after placing the order). My heart sank. I was like it will be cancelled???? Another hold, minutes that seemed forever and she said that she saw that the backup funding was approved and all was good. Don't get that either. Jeeez.
I have a tight schedule today. Can't be home other days. Was staying home for this. About 07:00 I got a delivery exception delay notice. I called UPS. They said that the plane was delayed. She said that they'd try to deliver, likely tomorrow. She said not to worry, there would be three attempts before they'd send it back. YIKES! I know that I can call to have it held but not reassuring.
Then, the online tracking moved again back to the original time.
@Kliao said: @Raufus Congrats! Great looking coin! Did you UPS guy follow your instructions on your door?
Looks like my chances are dwindling but I’ll never stop until it says sold out!
Indeed he did. I RAN up the stairs but my wife already had it.
This one didn't quit until the end.
I called the Mint last night to ask why it was marked shipped hours earlier yet it hadn't moved. She said she'd look in the back system. After a long hold she said that she saw that the funding source was initially denied (no idea how, I checked several times right after placing the order). My heart sank. I was like it will be cancelled???? Another hold, minutes that seemed forever and she said that she saw that the backup funding was approved and all was good. Don't get that either. Jeeez.
I have a tight schedule today. Can't be home other days. Was staying home for this. About 07:00 I got a delivery exception delay notice. I called UPS. They said that the plane was delayed. She said that they'd try to deliver, likely tomorrow. She said not to worry, there would be three attempts before they'd send it back. YIKES! I know that I can call to have it held but not reassuring.
Then, the online tracking moved again back to the original time.
At around 09:30 the bell rang :-)
What a roller coaster ride you’ve have with this coin. The important thing is that it arrived safe and sound at the end.
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Thanks so much for the congrats and good wishes guys/gals. Sharing it with the forum makes it all the more fun. We've been in this struggle together. Thanks so much to all!!!!
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
Wow, he just made an average person's yearly salary in just a couple of weeks. Hey, when you get a copy of the bot can you forward a copy over to me also?
He does this all the time with various hot releases, heavily on sneakers, but also stuff like Pokemon, Magic, other collectables that try to drive hype with low production runs. He has a web server and a VPN and simply changes IP addresses every purchase, as well as having about two dozen PO Boxes.
He seems to make a pretty good living, his profile picture is him next to a 7 series BMW.
What if the US Mint didn't allow PO Box addresses as a valid address? That might screw up some legitimate buyers but I would think it would also impact these BOT buyers.
@DelawareDoons said:
I spoke with a fellow who has been using bots to snag these. He has 4 golds, 20 silvers en route or delivered to his various mailboxes.
Some people literally make a living doing this. The mint needs to abandon the current methodology and find something new.
Wow, he just made an average person's yearly salary in just a couple of weeks. Hey, when you get a copy of the bot can you forward a copy over to me also?
He does this all the time with various hot releases, heavily on sneakers, but also stuff like Pokemon, Magic, other collectables that try to drive hype with low production runs. He has a web server and a VPN and simply changes IP addresses every purchase, as well as having about two dozen PO Boxes.
He seems to make a pretty good living, his profile picture is him next to a 7 series BMW.
What if the US Mint didn't allow PO Box addresses as a valid address? That might screw up some legitimate buyers but I would think it would also impact these BOT buyers.
The bot guys would just move to using street addresses and paying friends/family to hold the stuff for them until they could get it.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
The goal isn't to get rid of bots. The goal is to distribute your inventory to the maximum numbers of unique individuals. They did a good job this time with the initial release as evidenced by the high number of people here who got a gold or silver compared to the 19' high demand release.
Not sure we know how many individual users got them (at least the gold) not sure there is even a way to know
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@foraiur said: The goal isn't to get rid of bots. The goal is to distribute your inventory to the maximum numbers of unique individuals. They did a good job this time with the initial release as evidenced by the high number of people here who got a gold or silver compared to the 19' high demand release.
Serious question: why not try to block the 'bots'?
"Order limits help us ensure that we provide fair purchase opportunities to the broadest audience possible."
Whether the 'bot' gets 1 or 10, the 'bot' is faster than a human. This means the the "purchase opportunity" is not the same for every potential buyer.
They do try and they were pretty successful with the initial release. You just don't want to forgot the goal is getting coins to unique individuals who want to buy them. If your goal becomes blocking bots you will end up doing many things that make the buying process excruciating for the average person. This is about trade offs. I personally think they did a great job with the initial and then have screwed up the subsequent days. Random time releases and trickling out inventory is what we don't want because it favors people using automated means.
Just read that to combat sneaker bots, sneaker makers considering a lottery
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@foraiur said:
They do try and they were pretty successful with the initial release. You just don't want to forgot the goal is getting coins to unique individuals who want to buy them. If your goal becomes blocking bots you will end up doing many things that make the buying process excruciating for the average person. This is about trade offs. I personally think they did a great job with the initial and then have screwed up the subsequent days. Random time releases and trickling out inventory is what we don't want because it favors people using automated means.
Agreed. In my mind, however, 'bots' antithetical to this goal, as they tend to purchase multiples (e.g., the DelawareDoons example). This is why I believe that the Mint has to continue to work on controlling the 'bots'.
Great point about minimizing the impact on human buyers. Also agree with your points about the subsequent releases.
Really hate to say it- I predicted the Mayflowers would sell out (go unavailable) this morning. But I surely didn’t count on the Bot Wars. This is taking the air out of it for me. The hobby my dad got me into years ago is turning into a fiasco for new mint issues.
"What we are never changes, but who we are ... never stops changing."
@JeffM said:
The bot users loaded up eBay already on the Mayflower gold sets. This is so sick.
Doubt they used bots. Those are just the flippers who discovered the mint site through this and think everything limited thing they sell is profitable.
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get a bot
Incredible. So, he's been using them for the post first day releases? Infuriating.
Wow, he just made an average person's yearly salary in just a couple of weeks. Hey, when you get a copy of the bot can you forward a copy over to me also?
He does this all the time with various hot releases, heavily on sneakers, but also stuff like Pokemon, Magic, other collectables that try to drive hype with low production runs. He has a web server and a VPN and simply changes IP addresses every purchase, as well as having about two dozen PO Boxes.
He seems to make a pretty good living, his profile picture is him next to a 7 series BMW.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
I usually don't wish bad things on people, but in this case I'll make an exception.
Me in the morning for the past 2 weeks:
Me...while climbing back into bed, "Sons of bit**es stole my coin!"
My wife, rolling over, "They'll be more coins tomorrow, little Richard."
Damn hearing about a botter and them getting 4 AGE feels like a punch in the stomach.
Looks like all the Mayflower sets and coins are about gone.
The Mint is making enough money to send everyone in this country a nice stimulus check.
Send me the bot guys email address, maybe I have some friends that could complicate his life a bit...if what he is doing is against the law as it relates to using bots with the mint. Him using a vpn is no show stopper.
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I'm sure he is laughing at all of us dinosaurs trying to quickly make our mouse clicks, while he is in and out in less than a second...........
Anyone says "little Richard" to me while we're in bed gets divorced!
Actually, they generally lose money on these issues. The tooling production costs are too high to make them profitable on short runs.
After the mint refreshed their page, my gold coin was removed from my bag.....
I could of purchased all the mayflower series at 9:30 but passed on them.
He is bypassing a retail seller's house hold limit rule. But I cannot imagine there is a law violation that took place using a bot to make a purchase.
Just think about it, if this guy can do it, there's probably 100's of others doing the same thing.
Just look at ebay where these coins are being sold and the sellers mostly have a history of selling sneakers, hot wheels, popular clothes and toys.
Yes, it's the buyer's clubs. They discovered coins in the last couple of years.
Using crowd sourcing like the one we discussed earlier is not against the law. However I am going to see what justice dept thinks about using bots against a us gov web site. Might just be considered hacking😃. Depending on how many times they have done it, might meet the threshold for a little lookse. It is worth a shot.
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After SO much effort, frustration and time my V75 AGE just arrived.
I never thought that I'd get one. What a lucky break last Thursday. When fractions of a second count I can only be incredibly grateful to finally own this coin. All that went into it will make it all the more meaningful.
It will never be sold in my lifetime. I am so grateful for all the the tips and support of my fellow forum members. My most sincere wishes of luck to the collectors who have yet to get one being shut out by flippers.
I've started out so many days incredibly frustrated by this coin. What a wonderful change from frustration to joy today.
Finally!
People feel so left out on the v75’s they just want to get in on anything now that is moderately low mintage from the mint and doing the happy dance when they get it.
@Raufus Congrats! Great looking coin! Did you UPS guy follow your instructions on your door?
Looks like my chances are dwindling but I’ll never stop until it says sold out!
Young Numismatist/collector
75 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 45 members and counting!
instagram.com/klnumismatics
They will not give a shit.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
This is why we shouldn't want them to deliver to po boxes or to trickle them out day by day. The best chance for the average buyer is all inventory at one time. And if there ends up being additional inventory hold it for a second release down the line.
Congrats RAUFUS!!!!!!!
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Congrats Raufus, beautiful coin
Probably right but I have seen investigations started for less. Treasury might take a dim view. Cannot hurt it is just an email and a phone call. Already emailed a buddy in CISA to get his take.
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Why were the Mayflower coins offered before noon?
Not that I was interested...but since when is a morning offering a thing?
I think it was to let the British collectors that want an American set more a chance to get one as it’ll be late at night for them.
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Same here with the V75 ASE
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Looks like an awesome example.
The tiny spot just outside the 2nd ray above 2020 is thankfully on the capsule, not the coin.
uk peeps
Some of us only receive our mail delivered to a PO Box. USPS does not provide home delivery in my town as well as many of the towns around me. Post office boxes are free, one per household, because of this.
Indeed he did. I RAN up the stairs but my wife already had it.
This one didn't quit until the end.
I called the Mint last night to ask why it was marked shipped hours earlier yet it hadn't moved. She said she'd look in the back system. After a long hold she said that she saw that the funding source was initially denied (no idea how, I checked several times right after placing the order). My heart sank. I was like it will be cancelled???? Another hold, minutes that seemed forever and she said that she saw that the backup funding was approved and all was good. Don't get that either. Jeeez.
I have a tight schedule today. Can't be home other days. Was staying home for this. About 07:00 I got a delivery exception delay notice. I called UPS. They said that the plane was delayed. She said that they'd try to deliver, likely tomorrow. She said not to worry, there would be three attempts before they'd send it back. YIKES! I know that I can call to have it held but not reassuring.
Then, the online tracking moved again back to the original time.
At around 09:30 the bell rang :-)
What a roller coaster ride you’ve have with this coin. The important thing is that it arrived safe and sound at the end.
Young Numismatist/collector
75 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 45 members and counting!
instagram.com/klnumismatics
Thanks so much for the congrats and good wishes guys/gals. Sharing it with the forum makes it all the more fun. We've been in this struggle together. Thanks so much to all!!!!
What if the US Mint didn't allow PO Box addresses as a valid address? That might screw up some legitimate buyers but I would think it would also impact these BOT buyers.
The bot guys would just move to using street addresses and paying friends/family to hold the stuff for them until they could get it.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
The goal isn't to get rid of bots. The goal is to distribute your inventory to the maximum numbers of unique individuals. They did a good job this time with the initial release as evidenced by the high number of people here who got a gold or silver compared to the 19' high demand release.
"late at night" Just how many hours ahead do you think they are? lol
Not sure we know how many individual users got them (at least the gold) not sure there is even a way to know
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Serious question: why not try to block the 'bots'?
"Order limits help us ensure that we provide fair purchase opportunities to the broadest audience possible."
Whether the 'bot' gets 1 or 10, the 'bot' is faster than a human. This means the the "purchase opportunity" is not the same for every potential buyer.
They do try and they were pretty successful with the initial release. You just don't want to forgot the goal is getting coins to unique individuals who want to buy them. If your goal becomes blocking bots you will end up doing many things that make the buying process excruciating for the average person. This is about trade offs. I personally think they did a great job with the initial and then have screwed up the subsequent days. Random time releases and trickling out inventory is what we don't want because it favors people using automated means.
Just read that to combat sneaker bots, sneaker makers considering a lottery
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The Mayflower coins were another fast seller. The UK offered 500 gold sets (same coins), and those sold out quickly too.
Agreed. In my mind, however, 'bots' antithetical to this goal, as they tend to purchase multiples (e.g., the DelawareDoons example). This is why I believe that the Mint has to continue to work on controlling the 'bots'.
Great point about minimizing the impact on human buyers. Also agree with your points about the subsequent releases.
The bot users loaded up eBay already on the Mayflower gold sets. This is so sick.
Reminds me of the Columbus set in 1992. Goes for melt.
Box of 20
Really hate to say it- I predicted the Mayflowers would sell out (go unavailable) this morning. But I surely didn’t count on the Bot Wars. This is taking the air out of it for me. The hobby my dad got me into years ago is turning into a fiasco for new mint issues.
Doubt they used bots. Those are just the flippers who discovered the mint site through this and think everything limited thing they sell is profitable.
Sales numbers through Sunday night...
2020 75TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE END OF WWII 1 OZ GLD PR W/PRIVY MARK 1,912 +83
2020 75TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE END OF WWII 1 OZ SLV PR W/PRIVY MARK 74,967 +725