Which One for Everyman 19th Century Type Set?

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CPJ
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edited August 31, 2020 9:36AM in U.S. Coin Forum

So, here's the follow-up to my GTG post on the 1847-O Seated Liberty Half. I was a bit torn in keeping it and placing it in my type set. As mentioned, it's an AU-58+, so it would improve the registry rating a bit over the AU58 that is currently filling the slot.

I am going from more the technical side of things in my education to one that is subjective with this poll. I am interested to see what the group finds as the most critical elements in determining relative value between the two, and to see if the images capture the coins well enough to properly aid in the decision making process.

For this, I will go to larger images. First is the AU58+ and then the AU58 will follow. Both were imaged similarly using a combination of axial and diffused direct lighting. While the 58+ shows well from many angles, the 58 only does well from a few types of lighting.

Thanks all for your votes and opinions!

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Which One for Everyman 19th Century Type Set?

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  • ShaunBC5
    ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Personal opinion - I like the obverse of the + and the reverse of the 58. Obverse carries the coin, usually, and if it’s one or the other, I’m going with the + from these pics, today.

  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,575 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am not a tarnish fan in general and the dark terminal tone of the obv for the 1847 is a negative in the eye appeal for me so while the 1847-O looks a little too bright white for the age I would go with it.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    the first one for sure

  • chesterb
    chesterb Posts: 995 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I chose neither. The first has a weak strike - see the lower left reverse of the eagle and Liberty on the obverse. It also looks like it could have been cleaned. I don't like the toning of the second one even though a better strike.

    I think you can find better examples for your set.

  • oih82w8
    oih82w8 Posts: 13,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't care for either of the two in the OP

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  • TomB
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    I voted neither because, well, I just don't really like either coin.

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  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Would like to view the other coins in your collection in order to comment intelligently. Which coin better "goes with" the others?

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  • clarkbar04
    clarkbar04 Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The 1st one looks more like a low end 58 than a 58+. The 2nd one is more eye appealing.

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  • CoinJunkie
    CoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Like a few others, I don't love either coin, but if I were to keep one (even just as a placeholder), it would probably be the toned AU58. The AU58+ will likely fetch more funds for either an upgrade or some other coin of interest.

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  • Catbert
    Catbert Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Which one do you like to look at best? Grade is secondary to that decision, in my opinion. While I like to have a plus on my holder like the next guy, I'll always choose eye appeal over technical grade. I'm not thrilled about either, but for me, the second one has more visual interest if choosing between the two.

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  • CPJ
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    @Baley said:
    Would like to view the other coins in your collection in order to comment intelligently. Which coin better "goes with" the others?

    That is an excellent question. I'm still fairly early in this set, but the AU58 matches the style I am likely heading toward. Some character that shows in the images as well as in hand. I have a few that I've imaged early. However, the most interesting ones I've held off on until I was better with the photography. I'm only now getting to the point where I am somewhat satisfied. Here are a few from the set that I imaged early.

  • CPJ
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    @CoinJunkie said:
    Like a few others, I don't love either coin, but if I were to keep one (even just as a placeholder), it would probably be the toned AU58. The AU58+ will likely fetch more funds for either an upgrade or some other coin of interest.

    Very interesting point. Thanks for the insight!

  • BryceM
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    Well, now’s when you get to decide if you’re going for a set you like or a registry winner. To me, one is fun and the other a hollow victory.

    Apart from that, I don’t really love either coin, but I like the 58 slightly more.

  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think you can do better!

  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No. 1

  • Pickwickjr
    Pickwickjr Posts: 559 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Can you share with us what your other type coins look like. Would love to see what kind of look your trying to get for the set. These two coins are complete opposite. Are you trying to do an all au58 set? If so I would keep the 1847 o.

    Me personally I like toned coins over silver or blast white coins.
    I voted neither but I like the 58+ coin 100% better. The 1847 o is a WB-12 R5

    The right field of the toned coin kills it for me. I don’t think it’s original either.
    1847 looks like a WB-1 R3

  • Walkerfan
    Walkerfan Posts: 10,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't like the toning on the 58....Simply as that.

    Although modestly attractive, It's too dark for my taste.

    I also like that the first coin is a branch mint.

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  • Dave99B
    Dave99B Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Number 1. Nice halves.

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  • Yorkshireman
    Yorkshireman Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @TomB said:
    I voted neither because, well, I just don't really like either coin.

    I didn’t either.

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  • ThreeCentSilverFL
    ThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There is a lot of aggressive chatter in both R and L obv fields on the first, and a lot of terminal toning concealing the same on the second. Therefore, I would not choose either.

  • erwindoc
    erwindoc Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think you should go with the one that fits the rest of your set. Toned or untoned, etc

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I prefer the 58+ simply because I do not like tarnish....and the 58 has an excess. Cheers, RickO

  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That would be a tough call from those two, and if I could only have one in a type set, I might also vote neither (although both have merits and might work, depending on the match).

    I know you are doing the back and forth on which one.

    The other pictures I have seen of #1 from another thread made it appear to have more "life" than this picture, so that is also hard to factor.

    Overall

    Strike Door #2, hands down
    Luster Can't tell ... appears if #1 has more PL fields (or is dipped and stripped?), and #2 has better underlying luster
    Marks Similar, although #2 by a hair, I think
    Rarity Door #2, slightly
    Color Personal or Set preference. #1 doesn't not look completely original too me, although neither does #2, and it does look a little too close to terminal colors on the obverse

    Also, this comment is worth revisiting, IMO

    @BryceM said:
    Well, now’s when you get to decide if you’re going for a set you like or a registry winner. To me, one is fun and the other a hollow victory.


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  • tradedollarnut
    tradedollarnut Posts: 20,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I really dislike coin #1

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  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The obverse fields of the 1847-O do
    Appear to have partially effaced Graffiti

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  • CPJ
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    @pursuitofliberty said:
    That would be a tough call from those two, and if I could only have one in a type set, I might also vote neither (although both have merits and might work, depending on the match).

    I know you are doing the back and forth on which one.

    The other pictures I have seen of #1 from another thread made it appear to have more "life" than this picture, so that is also hard to factor.

    Overall

    Strike Door #2, hands down
    Luster Can't tell ... appears if #1 has more PL fields (or is dipped and stripped?), and #2 has better underlying luster
    Marks Similar, although #2 by a hair, I think
    Rarity Door #2, slightly
    Color Personal or Set preference. #1 doesn't not look completely original too me, although neither does #2, and it does look a little too close to terminal colors on the obverse

    Also, this comment is worth revisiting, IMO

    @BryceM said:
    Well, now’s when you get to decide if you’re going for a set you like or a registry winner. To me, one is fun and the other a hollow victory.

    Yes, that's a very good point. I'm not shooting for a registry winner, that's for sure. I'm going for what I consider eye appeal, and the 58+ was interesting enough to gamble upon.

  • CPJ
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    @Pickwickjr said:
    Can you share with us what your other type coins look like. Would love to see what kind of look your trying to get for the set. These two coins are complete opposite. Are you trying to do an all au58 set? If so I would keep the 1847 o.

    Me personally I like toned coins over silver or blast white coins.
    I voted neither but I like the 58+ coin 100% better. The 1847 o is a WB-12 R5

    The right field of the toned coin kills it for me. I don’t think it’s original either.
    1847 looks like a WB-1 R3

    This one won't be a AU58 set. I am working on one much more slowly that is, but I think the 58 grade would cause me to pass on many interesting coins for this set.

  • CPJ
    CPJ Posts: 78 ✭✭✭
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    Thanks all for the feedback. It's invaluable for me as I learn to understand the perspective that everyone has, and I appreciate you taking the time to offer it. The AU58 will be the keeper for the time being although it's the option with the least positive feedback. The reason for it is that it will fit in better with the rest of the set. I agree on the obverse with the toning being too heavy. However, the reverse does truly pop when lit. I'll keep my eye open for one that has similar appeal on both sides.

    For the feedback, here's what we have as of now. There are the votes, and then there are the comments that I tallied as positive for a specific option. They do diverge slightly indicating those who felt strongly enough to comment have a slightly different opinion

    Coin Votes +Comments
    58+ 22 8
    58 16 3
    Nil 16 6

    Thanks again everyone!

  • 1630Boston
    1630Boston Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I know I am wrong but I like the first one myself :)
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  • CPJ
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    @1630Boston said:
    I know I am wrong but I like the first one myself :)
    boston

    That's the great thing about the hobby. In terms of how someone perceives the look of a coin, there are many different opinions, and I don't think that differing ones are wrong. That variety is what makes it far more interesting than if everyone had the exact same taste.

    Then again, if I like what most don't, that should make it cheaper to build my set.

  • CPJ
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    And one final comment. One of the contributing factors for the AU58 was it came with a TrueView. From a Photographic standpoint, I was intrigued by the possibilities of shooting and seeing how my images compared. In hand however, I was surprised to see that the TrueView had a boosted saturation and color shifts to warm and magenta.

    Here's the original TrueView

    And here are a few tweaks to it to better mirror the in hand look. The right obverse field is a true metallic with only the lightest of color. However, correcting to this the skews the rest of the image.

  • BillJones
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    I voted neither. I think that the first is over graded. It’s an AU-55 at best. I don’t care for pattern of the toning on the second. The white right field on the obverse and the white spots on the reverse do not appeal to me.

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