North/South/Central American Coins Thursday, let's see them!
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It's Thursday folks!
Here is a uniface obverse of a Ferdinand VII Potosi 8R in silver. There are 3 known. Another was in the 2016 Stacks Bowers ANA sale here, but failed to meet reserve. Mine came out of Spain in the early 2000s.
Edited to add: Mine is ex-Rudman and weighs 39.62g vs. the Stacks coin which weighs 47g.
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Here is my new one. An MS66+, with only 4 better. Bought in a time of weakness.
Anybody want her?
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.10 -
This NEWP is one of the main reasons I have been selling some extra coins recently...it is one of the nicest C3 portraits I have seen...I would go so far to say I think it is a point or so undergraded and one of the few times the TrueView didn't do the coin justice. Check out this GIF: https://imgur.com/Pqxswpc
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@Senator32 said:
This NEWP is one of the main reasons I have been selling some extra coins recently...it is one of the nicest C3 portraits I have seen...I would go so far to say I think it is a point or so undergraded and one of the few times the TrueView didn't do the coin justice. Check out this GIF: https://imgur.com/PqxswpcVery nice!
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Awesome addition @Senator32
@pruebas - another jaw dropper. Thanks for sharing more of your collection.
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Just arrived in the mail. Finest graded Argentina 4R of any date. Might have a touch of PVC on the reverse needing attention.
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Not yet, waiting for the right one.
I've been lucky on the 4R's.
I have to be careful not to compromise on quality in chasing some of these as I've tried to build my core set with eye appeal and quality in mind. The Arg 4R is so dang rare, not a single MS piece is in the registry for any date. It isn't perfect but nothing is documented that I can find nicer.
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@Boosibri said:
Just arrived in the mail. Finest graded Argentina 4R of any date. Might have a touch of PVC on the reverse needingThe Arg 4R is so dang rare, not a single MS piece is in the registry for any date.
So, is that a 58? Looks pretty clean...
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Yes, in 58. ex. Whittier
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Very sharp coin @Senator32. That was the first MS62 transitional coin which sold publicly and realized $3000 in 2014. Yours is very eye appealing for sure. Nice buy!
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@pruebas said:
It's Thursday folks!Here is a uniface obverse of a Ferdinand VII Potosi 8R in silver. There are 3 known. Another was in the 2016 Stacks Bowers ANA sale here, but failed to meet reserve. Mine came out of Spain in the early 2000s.
Edited to add: Mine is ex-Rudman and weighs 39.62g vs. the Stacks coin which weighs 47g.
Very cool coin !👍
@Boosibri said:
Just arrived in the mail. Finest graded Argentina 4R of any date. Might have a touch of PVC on the reverse needing attention.outstanding addition
@Boosibri said:
Very sharp coin @Senator32. That was the first MS62 transitional coin which sold publicly and realized $3000 in 2014. Yours is very eye appealing for sure. Nice buy!agreed
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@Boosibri said:
Not yet, waiting for the right one.
I've been lucky on the 4R's.
I have to be careful not to compromise on quality in chasing some of these as I've tried to build my core set with eye appeal and quality in mind. The Arg 4R is so dang rare, not a single MS piece is in the registry for any date. It isn't perfect but nothing is documented that I can find nicer.
Smart move.
I picked up this one about 6 years ago. I was blown away by the look in-hand and have never seen a nicer one, slab grade aside. Dang close to perfect. Strike, centering, surfaces. Just slight weakness and doubling, as expected in the series. Not bad for a nearly 500 year-old coin made under extremely primitive conditions (i.e. not in Europe where the technology was better).
Granted, this is the late series were nice coins are more common than the early series. But still....
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@pruebas said:
@Boosibri said:
Not yet, waiting for the right one.
I've been lucky on the 4R's.
I have to be careful not to compromise on quality in chasing some of these as I've tried to build my core set with eye appeal and quality in mind. The Arg 4R is so dang rare, not a single MS piece is in the registry for any date. It isn't perfect but nothing is documented that I can find nicer.
Smart move.
I picked up this one about 6 years ago. I was blown away by the look in-hand and have never seen a nicer one, slab grade aside. Dang close to perfect. Strike, centering, surfaces. Just slight weakness and doubling, as expected in the series. Not bad for a nearly 500 year-old coin made under extremely primitive conditions (i.e. not in Europe where the technology was better).
Granted, this is the late series were nice coins are more common than the early series. But still....
That coin is amazingly well made for the issue. Sets the standard for me.
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It is hard to compete with these coins, but here it is today's collaboration.
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Lots of heavy hitters out today. Here's my modest addition to compliment @Senator32 NEWP
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@Boosibri said:
@pruebas said:
@Boosibri said:
Not yet, waiting for the right one.
I've been lucky on the 4R's.
I have to be careful not to compromise on quality in chasing some of these as I've tried to build my core set with eye appeal and quality in mind. The Arg 4R is so dang rare, not a single MS piece is in the registry for any date. It isn't perfect but nothing is documented that I can find nicer.
Smart move.
I picked up this one about 6 years ago. I was blown away by the look in-hand and have never seen a nicer one, slab grade aside. Dang close to perfect. Strike, centering, surfaces. Just slight weakness and doubling, as expected in the series. Not bad for a nearly 500 year-old coin made under extremely primitive conditions (i.e. not in Europe where the technology was better).
Granted, this is the late series were nice coins are more common than the early series. But still....
That coin is amazingly well made for the issue. Sets the standard for me.
Believe it or not, that is a shipwreck coin (as are most other high-grade C&J). But they were protected from the salt water by many other coins and possibly the iron of the chest containing them.
I have always wondered if these circulated in what is now the USA. I do remember hearing they did circulate for hundreds of years in Mexico.
Anybody know if any have been unearthed in present-day USA?
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@TwoKopeiki said:
Lots of heavy hitters out today. Here's my modest addition to compliment @Senator32 NEWP@TwoKopeiki what’s going on by the date?
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@pruebas said:
@TwoKopeiki what’s going on by the date?
Planchet defect - most likely thinner in that spot that resulted in an area of soft strike. The reason you see it as a dip with some dentil details present closer to the rim is due to the edging being done prior to striking, which brought up slightly the metal in that area.
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@TwoKopeiki said:
WOW that 1804 is very nice.
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I have owned this one several years maybe 7-8....??
Love it
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Gotta be top pop for the type. Can't recall seeing another 65.
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You guys with your big, historically important silver coins.
How about a fist-full of low value, uninteresting gold coins?
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
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@Que_sai_je said:
Costa Rica type I (Carillo) C/M on FVII Nueva Guatemala 4 Reales.
Rare. Murillo knew of only 6 examples for all under types.
Stack's sold one, new to Murillo, on a Potosi 1820 2015.
NGC Census lists two " Bolivia", one each F and VF.
I suspect at least one and maybe both are duplicated within their own census and/or Murillo.
This brings the total number for the type of which I am aware to eight, possibly nine, at most an unlikely ten.
Not a keeper I guess...
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@Weiss said:
You guys with your big, historically important silver coins.How about a fist-full of low value, uninteresting gold coins?
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Well, maybe a fist-full for DJT, but...
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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@realeswatcher said:
@Que_sai_je said:
Costa Rica type I (Carillo) C/M on FVII Nueva Guatemala 4 Reales.
Rare. Murillo knew of only 6 examples for all under types.
Stack's sold one, new to Murillo, on a Potosi 1820 2015.
NGC Census lists two " Bolivia", one each F and VF.
I suspect at least one and maybe both are duplicated within their own census and/or Murillo.
This brings the total number for the type of which I am aware to eight, possibly nine, at most an unlikely ten.Not a keeper I guess...
Jealous?
Andy Lustig
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@MrEureka said:
Jealous?
No good reason for anyone to be jealous. But late. Has a fine new home with an advanced counterstamp collector.
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Here's a modern rarity. Many of you know the Numismatic Heritage Series of the Mexican Mint. From 2011 to 2014 they issued a set of 6 coins each year with designs replicating famous coins in Mexican history. These are similar to the Mexican Numismatic Society's medals commemorating the same thing.
The Caballito Peso was part of the 2011 set and was dated 2011. But the story goes that the Mexican Mint wanted to put the coin into the Coin of the Year competition in 2015 so had to have a coin dated 2013 in order to do this. And as Mexican law requires a minimum mintage of 100 pieces, they minted 100 of that coin dated 2013 specifically for the occasion. (An alternate telling of the story says that the COTY rules state that contestants need to have a minimum mintage of 100 to be included.)
These coins were available for sale over the counter at the Mexican Mint's store near the American Embassy in Mexico City and one dealer bought almost the entire stock.
So with a mintage of 100 pieces, this is the rarest regular-issue coin of modern Mexico (20th and 21st Centuries). (I consider the 1922 2c and the 1931 5c to be trials, and regardless, their mintage is not reported.)
Edited to add: I don't see any Mexican entrant in this list, so it could be that the story is apocryphal?
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Still available...
I like better the 1922 2c and 1931 5c because I own a specimen of each 😜 but these are seriously cool Caballitos. Very nice @pruebas .
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😂😂😂 I just have to go for a bank robbery as the wallet is in distress right now! But I think this is a cool issue, even when I am not into commemorative coins. Thank you @pruebas for sharing. To be fair, I think the Herencia Numismática series was a well thought and executed idea.
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True, tempting!
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Moving this comment to the World BST. I shouldn't have posted this here.
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Happy Thursday, people!
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Thank you @pruebas it is a work in progress. That medal is very interesting. In 1828 Guerrero ran for president and loss. Then, supported by General Santa Anna (yes, the Alamo dude) rebelled and forcefully stole the presidency that legally had won General Gomez Pedraza with the support of none other than the US Ambassador Joel Pointsett (yes, the dude of the poinsettias). It was not going to be the first or last time that a US Ambassador supported a coup d'état in Mexico (Pointsett was also involved in the fall of Emperor Agustin few years earlier). I am not familiar with the timing of the medal but clearly was minted before the election by his "Yorkino" supporters (Masons), or after as a "proclamation medal" (like in Colonial times) to legitimise him. The fact that is called Citizen instead of President makes me think that is the former and not the latter. His presidency lasted but few months. As he rose to power after a coup d'état, he became the victim of another. It is a shame as Guerrero was, during the War of Independence, a solid personality of great prestige and he destroyed his reputation with his association with Lopez de Santa Anna and his forceful taking of the presidency. This was the first coup d'état in the Republic and originated the time of "caudillos" in XIX century Mexico that would not end until General Diaz took Power. Poor Guerrero was assassinated not long after that. Bravo for that medal as it is, historically speaking, a GREAT piece, and numismatically, a beauty.
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but very good looking!
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