BBCE National "Monster" - What could it be?

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Just read the latest blog post on the BBCE website and they mention Steve will have an "absolute “MONSTER” of an item" at the National. I don't have a clue, but perhaps it's an early 50s Topps Baseball Wax Box? Dare I say '52? Would love to know if anyone here has some insider knowledge and can spill the beans...

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  • toadstrangler
    toadstrangler Posts: 10,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I already guessed ‘52 Topps high number sealed case on their FB page lol

    COPPER is gutter !

  • craig44
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    Unopened 86 fleer basketball case?

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • steel75
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    Unopened 1952 Topps would be insane. Can't see it.

    1970's Steelers, Vintage Indians
  • toadstrangler
    toadstrangler Posts: 10,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 21, 2019 6:33AM
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    @steel75 said:
    Unopened 1952 Topps would be insane. Can't see it.

    Agree, that’s why I lol’d
    lol

    COPPER is gutter !

  • coinspacks
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    we know its not this one since its spoken for

  • handyman
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    1964 baseball unopened case.

  • KendallCat
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    I want UFFDAH’s budget 😂

    KC

  • jfkheat
    jfkheat Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The last known unopened case of 1988 Donruss

  • nam812
    nam812 Posts: 10,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jfkheat said:
    The last known unopened case of 1988 Donruss

    It's almost insane to me that 1988 Donruss is over 30 years old.

  • CdnOsfan
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    I am looking for a 1987 Donruss FASC box. He hasn't had one for a while and I don't want to pay $100 on eBay for 1.

  • toadstrangler
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    @CdnOsfan said:
    I am looking for a 1987 Donruss FASC box. He hasn't had one for a while and I don't want to pay $100 on eBay for 1.

    You can get one for $65 shipped on eBay right now

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  • jay0791
    jay0791 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭✭
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    unopened 1969 BK box

    Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets
    1948-76 Topps FB Sets
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  • SpinFadeSplash23
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    I'm going with non-sports involving an actual monster, maybe MTG or Pokemon. Possibly high end CGC comic as an outside shot.

    Joe

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    The biggest lesson I've learned in this hobby, and in life, is that if you have a strong conviction, you owe it to yourself to see it through. Don't sell yourself, or your investments, short. Unless the facts change. Then sell it all.
  • toadstrangler
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    @SpinFadeSplash23 said:
    I'm going with non-sports involving an actual monster, maybe MTG or Pokemon. Possibly high end CGC comic as an outside shot.

    No way does Steve Hart advertise this as a MONSTER with non sports.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • esquiresports
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    Cannot imagine a 1952 Topps wax box. Would be incredible, and seven figures.

    I think a 1986 Fleer Basketball wax case is a reasonable guess. Any wax box from the 1950s would be incredible.

    If it's a 1971 Topps baseball wax/rack/cello case, I may have to mortgage everything I have to get it. Hah.

    Always buying 1971 OPC Baseball packs.
  • gemint
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    edited July 21, 2019 3:06PM
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    Does anyone ever know what became of the 1952 high number wax box that was auctioned by Mastro about 10-15 years ago? There was some controversy surrounding that one and then I never heard anything more about it.

  • Stone193
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    I'm guessing there's still people sitting on stuff purchased from Mr Mint from some of his great finds?

    A 50s Bowman BB box e.g.

    Mike
  • brendanb438
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    A confirmed unopened box of Summer MTG would be one hell of a monster for a CGC box. I had the weirdest dream the other night that I found a case of these boxes randomly in a deal and made six figures off the case. I haven't bought/sold MTG cards in about 5 years now so this was an odd dream. B)

    For those that know a little bit about Magic The Gathering. "Summer" Magic is more rare than any boxes of Alpha or Beta and was basically an attempt to fix some issues with the 3rd Edition/Revised Edition which ended up not going as planned and it is said that 99% of the "Summer" edition was destroyed but a few cases made it out to like Texas, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and I believe Ireland. Look at eBay sales for what these sell for in graded condition and it is insane.

    I opened maybe 3 or 4 packs of these way back in the day through Troll and Toad and after putting them away with a bunch of other singles I had forgotten about them. About a decade later when I attempted to locate them mixed in with around 50,000 singles I had no luck finding them.

  • UFFDAH
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    A 1962 Topps Mars Attacks unopened box would be otta this world.

  • stevek
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    Maybe it has something to do with this?

    ;)

  • DBesse27
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    “Monster” is in the eye of the beholder. I can’t think of a single unopened product that would excite me.... unless I was offered a chance to rip it.

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    Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps

  • rcmb3220
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    @jfkheat said:
    The last known unopened case of 1988 Donruss

    Maybe an unopened 53 foot trailer of 88 donruss cases. FAST has a nice ring to it.

  • kingnascar
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    I'd love to see an unopened 1952 Topps high number box and at least hold it in my hand B)

  • jsanz
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    1952 Topps or 1986 Fleer basketball case(s)

    Love those 70's - early 80's packs and boxes...send me a message if you are selling because I am buying
  • ahopkins
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    1989 Upper Deck unopened vending case of #1.

    Andy

  • secretstash
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    @jsanz said:
    1952 Topps or 1986 Fleer basketball case(s)

    If a case or cases of 86 fleer were found, would bbce wrap each box FASC, sell in one $500k+ auction, or would a private buyer grab it before others can dream of either option?

  • jsanz
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    edited July 22, 2019 10:56AM
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    Sell as an unopened & wrapped case to someone who can afford it. Steve is in business to buy and sell his inventory fast. If he can flip a full case that is the best way to turn a quick profit. That is of course IF he has it.

    Love those 70's - early 80's packs and boxes...send me a message if you are selling because I am buying
  • phelda
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    They already told us a few months back what the "Monster" is. They acquired a run of T-206, aka the Monster set

  • toadstrangler
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    @phelda said:
    They already told us a few months back what the "Monster" is. They acquired a run of T-206, aka the Monster set

    Nah, they mean unopened.

    COPPER is gutter !

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  • Dragnet
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    @1970s said:
    There are plenty of monsters to be obtained. Whether it be Mr. Horenchuk's complete run of hockey wax boxes from 1951 through 1980, or Mr. Simmon's complete run of baseball wax boxes from 1950 through 1971. Or perhaps it is Gordie Howe's mint uncut sheet of 1951 parkhurst that he got for free for doing a golf tournament, and now that he's gone, his family is consigning it, or perhaps it is the mint 1952 topps baseball uncut sheets from that owner in St. Louis. It can be any of the above, or countless other "monsters" that are out there, and probably will never see the light of day. All I can say, is that I'm looking forward to seeing it, whatever it is.

    Holy wow, someone has a run of baseball wax boxes from '50 to '71? and hockey '51 to '80? I guess I shouldn't be that surprised, but remarkable still and surprised I haven't seen photos (or these owners haven't shared).

  • toadstrangler
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    We are talking about BBCE here. It’s going to be a sports unopened something. I’d venture to go out on a limb and say it’s baseball.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • SpinFadeSplash23
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    @phelda said:
    They already told us a few months back what the "Monster" is. They acquired a run of T-206, aka the Monster set

    This is pretty likely.

    Joe

    IG: goatcollectibles23

    The biggest lesson I've learned in this hobby, and in life, is that if you have a strong conviction, you owe it to yourself to see it through. Don't sell yourself, or your investments, short. Unless the facts change. Then sell it all.
  • ArtVandelay
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    The big news.

    1981 Donruss Baseball pack authenticated by Atlas.

  • toadstrangler
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    @Stone193 said:
    Does anyone remember they had a full box of 52T for auctions years ago?

    Can't remember who but I did have the box scan saved.

    Such an awesome picture Mike!

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  • Stone193
    Stone193 Posts: 24,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here's an e.g. of a sale from way back:

    With that kind of price point?

    I would expect someone to lock'em up and bring'm out a decade later since I'm sure they've gone up.

    Mike
  • nam812
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    That was already over $8,500 a pack 15 years ago. What's a legit pack go for these days?

  • coinspacks
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    @nam812 said:
    That was already over $8,500 a pack 15 years ago. What's a legit pack go for these days?

    $11500 is what one sold for a couple weeks ago on milehigh

  • gemint
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    There was some controversy surrounding that '52 high number wax box and then I never heard anything more about it.

  • handyman
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    ^
    Same here wasn't it found out that it was a 4 card pack box or something? I remember it was also bought then sold like 1-2 months after the first purchase for like a 80,000 loss too?also story was a bit off with where it came from. Like the owner opened 2 packs them put the full box in storage afterwards. But what about the 2 packs type thing?

  • phelda
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    At the top of the blog post on their website that talks about the "Monster" item is a picture of T-206 backs. In several issues of SCD, BBCE ran ads showing the large accumulation of T-206 that they were sending off to PSA. No doubt they always bring insane and awesome unopened, but come on guys, the Monster is clearly that run of T-206.

  • toadstrangler
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    @phelda said:
    At the top of the blog post on their website that talks about the "Monster" item is a picture of T-206 backs. In several issues of SCD, BBCE ran ads showing the large accumulation of T-206 that they were sending off to PSA. No doubt they always bring insane and awesome unopened, but come on guys, the Monster is clearly that run of T-206.

    You could be right. And IMO, being that BBCE has built it's legendary status surrounding unopened, that would be a disappointment. Oh well.

    COPPER is gutter !

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  • BriYo79
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    My guess is it's a T206 Wagner. Surely, that wouldn't disappoint the masses.

  • secretstash
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    Maybe within that MONSTER collection they also found an unopened box of t206 packs and BBCE authenticated them as having a card inside. Would be pretty cool to see the cost on those.