Grade Revealed: 1880 PCGS MS-64 Morgan Dollar (Gold Shield)

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Stuart
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edited June 22, 2019 11:03AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I would assign this 1880 Morgan Dollar a Grade of... (Vote👇 below)

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Stuart

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Grade Revealed: 1880 PCGS MS-64 Morgan Dollar (Gold Shield)

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  • HighRelief
    HighRelief Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    I like it as a 65

    Sweet looking Morgan Stuart

  • robkool
    robkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    MS65...

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-63

    Of course, I'm always off, as I cut my teeth on Peace dollars.

    I see a really clean coin with subdued luster and a bit of chatter on the rims. The spot on the reverse is a bit distracting.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    Looks like a 65.... Cheers, RickO

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    Some chatter in the obverse fields, a few scattered hits, and the somewhat distracting spot on the reverse make me think it maxed out at 65.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-64

    If 64+ had been available, I would checked that. The minor cheek marks and the scratch in front of the chin pulled down a little for me.

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  • batumi
    batumi Posts: 936 ✭✭✭✭
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    MS-64

    MS-64. I liked it as a 66, but for the dug in looking spot or carbon knocks two points off imho.

  • Pokermandude
    Pokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭
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    MS-66

    65+, I voted for 66.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,073 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66

    nice coin over all, I like

  • TPRC
    TPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    65

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    65 - chatter obv left side and a stab wound on rev, but nice piece.

  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-64

    A nice original coin! :)

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  • dizzlecc
    dizzlecc Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭
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    MS-64

    MS 64. The coin jumps in price in 65, Does it look like a $500 coin or a $100 coin with some light toned lipstick

  • DollarAfterDollar
    DollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    The field chatter on the obverse seems very minor but the eyebrow hit probably jumps off the coin in hand. MS 65. Still tough and quite valuable.

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  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2019 8:21PM
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    MS-65

    In the 1980s this would have been a 64. Back then a MS 65 of this date was $1000-$2000 IIRC. Very hard to make. But these days at $500 a 65 is not that big a deal. But getting a 66 on this date is not easy. This doesn't seem to have the blast and eye appeal or 66. Generally very clean on marks. 1880 tends to come a lackluster with a flatish strike. I'd have called it 65+ on marks but it still doesn't have superior eye appeal. Nice coin whatever it is graded. I wouldn't be surprised with anything from 64 to 66.

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  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    What did PCGS call it?

  • PTVETTER
    PTVETTER Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66

    would like to see in hand to be sure

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  • TommyType
    TommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    Pretty good bell curve going. The mean of all votes is 65.13793.....so I'm changing my vote to 65.13793. :tongue:

    (Time to give up the PCGS vote?!?)

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  • Walkerfan
    Walkerfan Posts: 10,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    I have 64s from back in the day that look this good but If the luster is there and the cheeks are as smooth as they look in the image, then I have no problem calling this a 65 By today’s standards.

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  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 21, 2019 3:12PM
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    MS-66

    Thanks to all my Fellow Forum Members who have participated in this latest most exciting episode of ”Guess the Grade!!” 😁

    I’ll let this GTG thread continue for a while longer to allow more people to participate, until it fades into PCGS Forum (Page 2) Oblivion. 😉

    To discreetly allow those who have already voted in the poll to learn the actual grade (without disclosing the answer to additional prospective voters) I will provide the following guidance.

    Since the results are only visible to those who have voted in the poll, If you look at the voting results, the PCGS assigned grade is one grading level below the largest plurality voting group. 🤓


    Stuart

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  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2019 11:24AM
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    MS-66

    Thanks to all of my Fellow Forum Members who participated by voting in the “Guess the Grade” Poll and for posting your Observations and Comments. 😁👍

    I purchased this coin because I liked the Eye Appeal and felt that it was Very Solid for the Grade.

    The poll results averaging just slightly better than MS-65 seem to agree with my assessment. 😉

    Grade Revealed: 1880 PCGS MS-64 Morgan Dollar

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    Stuart

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  • PTVETTER
    PTVETTER Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66

    Boy was I off !

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-63

    Someday I’ll learn. I grade these like I grade Peace dollars. If I add a grade, I’m usually right. :)

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019 2:13PM
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    MS-66

    @BryceM Regarding your post earlier in this thread, I think your Morgan Dollar Grading skills fall into the Middle Option below... 🤓 👍

    My MS-66 poll vote was simply a head fake, since I knew the correct answer. 😉

    Accuracy versus 👇 Precision in Coin Grading... 🧐😉


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-63

    @Stuart

    Well, I’m not sure what to make of your assessment. My guess is a single data point from which you can’t deduce anything about precision. Also, interpreting photos and grading coins aren't exactly the same thing.

    When you’re hunting a wounded lion, and it decides to charge you, the only shot that matters at all is the next one. :)

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66

    Bryce, Right you are!! 😉👍

    @BryceM said:
    When you’re hunting a wounded lion, and it decides to charge you, the only shot that matters at all is the next one. :)


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • drei3ree
    drei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019 5:06PM
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    MS-64

    @BillJones said:

    The minor cheek marks and the scratch in front of the chin pulled down a little for me.

    This...Good to see the experts here getting it wrong on the high side for once. :D

  • TommyType
    TommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    Random thought: Should we start being extra careful grading coins based on TrueViews? The vast majority of us shot high here. And in my 1875CC dime GTG, the vast majority shot high. (And those are just recent examples).

    So, are the TV's just too tilted toward "glamour" to be trusted for grading?

    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • DollarAfterDollar
    DollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65

    True view looks like a picture of a completely different coin.

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  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2019 7:35PM
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    MS-66

    @TommyType @DollarAfterDollar @MFeld @BryceM

    IMO PCGS TrueView Photos Accurately Depict the Mint Luster and Frost exhibited on a coin’s surface, but tend to De-Emphasize Contact Marks compared to (in this case) the Heritage Auction Photos.


    Stuart

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