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New To Forum - Wildly toned 1850C Weak C $5 Gold
JonBrand83
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This is my first thread on this forum. Figure I'll show one from my collection that I love! The first two images make it appear very grainy but its just my phone. The trueview is very accurate. Let me know your thoughts positive or negative. Some opinions have been "too bad the C is so weak". But if it weren't I might not have been able to afford the coin. purchased from paradimecoins.
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Welcome!! Very nice $5. How long have you been collecting?
Thanks! I am 36, and got into it as a young kid. Left the hobby for a very long time and started again maybe 6-7 years ago or so. I have a tiny collection of about 15 coins at the moment. It is NOT focused, just individual examples I like.
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Isn't that the example coin on Coinfacts? Love that one.
Yep. After getting it true-viewed I was pleasantly surprised to see it in coinfacts!
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I love the deep purple. Welcome aboard!!
Welcome aboard!
Very interesting coin....it should get ample attention from some of the resident ‘dirty gold’ aficionados on the forum.
Welcome!
Sorry to say I'm not a fan since I feel it's been artificially toned with iodine.
The depth of that peripheral toning with bright rims patina progression wise makes no sense unless applied.
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Wowsa that one is interesting. We have a member here, jwitten, who loooooves the toned gold.
Can’t really go wrong with a PCGS CAC’d Charlotte gold piece of any grade.
I would think so too but I would be surprised to have JA miss iodine such as this. There is the "leather pouch" toning which has the inverse toning pattern around the rims from storage in a leather pouch or wooden box. I have owned some very nice coins with this pattern.
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I absolutely love your coin. Gorgeous and unique toning.
I have no definitive idea how this coin toned like that. I do know I find it attractive. Welcome to the forum
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I agree with @Boosibri about JA’s (we use only his initials for some reason) experience and eye-the CAC sticker confirms originality, at least in my mind. Some folks in the forum will have strong opinions about weak mint marks, but I consider them a legit collectible variety. In my humble opinion, you bought a very nice coin!! Keep posting your newps!!!
I love that the OP is 36 years old and has been at for awhile off and on. He has good taste.
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@JonBrand83 That’s a Beautiful and Historic 1850-C $5 Gold Eagle. — I love the Toned Originality!
That’s one hell of a super coin for your first post!!
Thanks for posting & Welcome to the Forum!!
Stuart
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I have known Jon for a while. Great great guy. So good to see you've joined the forums.
Jon doesn't have a large collection, but is centered around great eye appeal coins. Just wait til he posts his avatar coin!
Does the PCGS sniffer sniff iodine ?
The blue/red toning is market acceptable today and there's more making it into plastic these days.
A decade ago it was a rarity to see it.
I owned this low mintage fully prooflike example back then with very mild reddish blue peripheral toning.
I showed it to Bill Shamhart (of CAC) who advised me to dump it due to the toning which I did at the first Coinfest show.
That color doesn’t look like what I’d expect from iodine. It appears unusual, but natural to me.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Wow! Cream Puff! Love it, esp the reverse.
Welcome to the forum...I’d love to see some of your other pieces.
Dave
Welcome! I kinda like it!
@JonBrand83 Great first post! Welcome!
There was a big discussion about originality a while back and the general consensus was that CAC did not mean original - because there are really too few original classic coins left.
Non-doctored or non-AT is more along the lines of what JA checks.
Interesting if iodine is becoming MA to both TPGs and CAC. Over time more things become acceptable.
Just like McDonald's they need to update their menus to continue to serve customers
I also think it's interesting that people who cite CAC just mention JA's credentials but not why they think it's original.
There’s a familiar face (oldgoldeagles from IG here) welcome and yeah that coin is fantastic
Well toned gold is like a limited McRib sandwich with false bones.
People like it and rush when it's available yet no one really knows if the mystery meat is truly pork?
Those to whom you refer, apparently have considerable confidence in John’s ability to recognize and reject coins which have had iodine applied. I do, as well, though apart from that, I opined that the color doesn’t look like that which I associate with iodine.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Ive seen old gold that was dipped with a CAC sticker. I don’t consider dipped coins original, so I agree that CAC doesn’t necessarily mean originality. I would not expect a coin to get a sticker if JA believed it was AT or doctored. My expectation would be that the toning is legit if it has a sticker. I certainly like it.
If CAC only stickered coins with original surfaces that would leave out a majority of 18th and 19th century silver coinage with market acceptable secondary toning.
I agree they have considerable confidence which is why I mentioned it's enough that they don't need to provide their own opinion. I did feel it was necessary to point out CAC does not mean original which was also posted above.
I missed your post since it was below @Broadstruck's which I was responding to. Good to know your opinion that it’s natural.
Welcome to the CU forum @JonBrand83!
Weak C or not, love the gold!
Welcome Jon!!! Good to see you on here. This coin has been on my radar for awhile now, lol You'll find some people here have strong opinions about toned gold, but I don't let it bother me. I've always loved that coin!
Jon, im not worried about negative comments or criticism, as you know. On peices I buy ive formed my opinion but always want to learn. Also at coin shows i;ve been at plenty of people arent into toned gold, so I'm used to that one. You, OGE and I are pirates so we like them.
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Cool coin!
But it stickered...
And the top grade by far! It certainly has a lot more character than the other 2 coins.
I'd love to see this in hand.
Welcome aboard !!!
I know Jon very well! Great guy. Great buy. Welcome bud.
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I love this coin. Congratulations and welcome to the forum!!
Beautiful coin that stirs collector's thoughts. Welcome to the forum and thanks for sharing such a beauty.
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Hello Jon, welcome to the forum! That's a neat coin, I look forward to you posting some of the other ones in your collection. I like your eclectic approach to collecting.
Holy cow, that's a very nice piece. Glad you joined and shared it...
Didn’t realize it held the top image spot on CoinFacts - very cool!
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Ok, I think I really need to see the Avatar coin @JonBrand83 !!!
I’m still somewhat new to the forum, but here is the reverse of my 1853-D $2.50 with similar toning. (PCGS AU55), purchased from another forum member.
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CAC has become a crutch for many not to think for themselves.
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@JonBrand83 .... Welcome aboard.....I really like gold coins.. and gold CC or C (even weak) is cool. I am not a fan of tarnish on any coins, gold or silver. That, however, is a personal opinion - collect what you like and enjoy the hobby. Cheers, RickO
I have been a collector for about 60 years and have been paying more than face value for coins for about 58 of those years. I have a fairly extensive collection of U.S. gold coins which includes a complete set of U.S. gold type coins (according to the NGC Registry), type sets for the Charlotte and Dahlonega Mints and sets of the Type I and Type II gold dollars. Having tried to establish my credentials, I’d like to give you a couple of my insights.
First, while the weak mint mark on the Charlotte gold coin is normal and part of the minting process, it does affect the value of the coins. Pieces with strong mint marks are more desirable that those with weak mint marks. Therefore, you should look to pay less for coins with the weak letter. This also applies to the Charlotte coins with a weak reverse that were struck with a badly worn die.
Second, a reasonably good number of gold collectors will find the toning on your piece unattractive. I don’t know if this color is natural or not, but it’s not something that I would select. I’m not saying that it is a bad coin, but I am saying is that in the price negotiation process, it’s a factor that buyer needs to consider.
I am not a huge fan of “dirty gold” fan. I prefer pieces which look similar to the day when they were minted with adjustments for the natural aging process that occurs for coins that are at least 86 years old.
I also prefer coins that have not been messed with, although I have some coin have had something done to them. They were a compromise when I was unwilling to pay the sometimes far higher prices for pieces that are totally original. Some collectors on this forum disagree with me on those points, but all of us are different. What I am trying to convey here, is that some factors affect the price and desirably of some coins, and collectors should take that into account.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about toning of gold coins to say anything about originality. I can say I think the coin is attractive, arguably more so than the Supernova [did I say that out loud?], and I would enjoy it as part of my collection. Welcome to the forum.
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Cool coin and welcome to the forum.
Welcome to the forum, cool coin!
Note to the "coin sky is falling/Ebay is withering" people on the forum: Jon has been on Instagram for awhile and has posted some really cool coins. He's just one collector but the collector base does skew younger on the platform. Yes, their habits are different but it doesn't mean the hobby is dying. Maybe take off the mustard stained shirt and get off your lawn - there is another world out there.
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