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The 2nd 1909 VDB Lincoln Cent is graded MS 68 Red
STEWARTBLAYNUMIS
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After 30 years of coin grading the pop was
Only one ( over graded coin ). Now there are two.
By the end of this year there will be 5
And so gradeflation continues
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And down goes the price
After a while ...
I assume it's an upgrade from a 67 or lower?
Are there True View images of the 2 coins available?
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I wasn’t aware they were still minting these.
So it never was and never will be properly graded?
Here is the PCGS newest MS68:
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And the NGC 68 graded about 20 years ago:
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The hit(assuming that is what it is)makes it look a little like 1999.
The NGC example falls well short given all of those spots. Of course they may not have been there when the coin was graded.
Here is the coin in my type set which is graded MS-65, Red.
@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS,
I think the PCGS coin is better, and that was just graded.
If you think grades are running out of control, I dare you to crack all your coins and send them in right now. According to you, they should all go up. According to me, you will be back here crying and crying, more than usual.
Congrats to the owner of the new 68!
Would you care to wager on this statement?
I compare these to 38-D Buffalo Nickels. Although these are more rare there are only subtle differences between the 67 coins and the 68 coins but the price spread is huge. The differences appear to be in original surface texture as well as number of hits. Strike still doesn't mean as much.
Weakness in the O and PL make both of these max 66 (in my old-timers book). It's gotta be fully-struck for me to consider it having such a lofty grade. This issue is common fully struck so there is no excuse.
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Bill, that is a very cherry 65. Curious if it is in an OGH?
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It does appear to be a hit/nick, and IMHO, you should never see this in the focal area of a 68, let alone a 67...A beautiful coin nonetheless.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
The PCGS coin shown here is a very nice coin IMO !
Wabbit - I have never cried about coins nor coin grades in my life
I don’t think I know you but I am certain you of have no idea who I am
So kindly climb back in your wabbit hole and sit on your carrot !
Look very nice but at first I thought it was a 1999
Steve
Interesting for sure, technically speaking I think the new 68 falls short due to the hit on the obv and the carbon on the rev. However the fantastic and booming mint bloom seems to have carried it to the lofty grade.
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I posted a few weeks ago my concern about 67+'s appearing in the early Lincolns and now a 68. I see some other coins made that are not like this ... they are huge ones. Everybody ready to see NGC values for their PCGS coins?
No, it's in a run of the mill, no prong NGC holder.
Cannot wait to see the big kurfluffle that will occur when pcgs and or ngc grades an ms69 1909vdb lincoln head cent or
the first 1938-d ms69 buffalo nickel is born or the first ms69 1913 type one buffalo nickel. The din, thunder, fury will be awesome.
Coming to a grading service near you in the future!
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@Martin, no reason to flag him. He was very polite when he told me to shove it.
Stewart, I meant what I said. If you crack your coins now and send them, your new grades will be joining my carrot.
This is a pretty good argument for pursuing historically interesting rarities, as opposed to condition rarities, I guess.
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It’s a good thing that MS 70 is the highest grade possible otherwise we’d have MS 72 coins in a few years.
Beautiful coin, with full strike and early die state. That one I would call an MS68.
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Without a 100 pt scale gradeflation is about to hit a wall
Martin
Very nice 65. If you wanted to contribute to gradeflation I think this would go higher.
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@DonWillis said on 9/23 "I'm not saying that over time there isn't some gradeflation, but in my opinion that is not what is driving the market".
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I've thought about regrading this old holdered MS67 but it's a tough game to play.
Lance.
I'd leave it in the old holder. Its nice the way it is. If you're selling then I could see trying for a 68.
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I agree with Wabbit, lately I've noticed the newer PCGS slabs are very conservative. I love it when buying for the collection.
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Send it, in holder. Get a + if nothing else. Nice coin. Boom. Why not try the lotto to see if you won or not? Just sayin...
There are a few ways to limit the impact of this:
I take it the coin isn't yours? If not, perhaps it's time to resubmit?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/980312/my-1909-vdb-graded-ms-67-is-finer-than-most-every-other-1909-vdb-graded-ms-67
Here's the TrueView and cert link. Great to have TrueViews of these great coins.
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36116564
The PCGS pops show 2 coins. Unfortunately, there isn't a photo of the other coin.
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/lincoln-cent-wheat-reverse-1909-1958/46?sn=2425&p=MS&g=68&ccid=668
i have a 68+ but it's modern. I would almost call this circulation strike coin "Prooflike".
I personally would have classified this coin RB and not RD (the entire obverse is toned and a part of the reverse)
and possibly MS69. (MS69RB).
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Stunning coin!
Some very nice cents....I believe there are many old 'rolls' or well preserved collector coins out there that have never been to a TPG. Given that, we could one day see an MS69 and gradeflation would have nothing to do with the issue. Cheers, RickO
Wabbit - I have sent my mint state Lincoln cents from 1909 - 1934 including all varieties to CAC
100% stickered. There would be no reason for me to crack out any of my coins
Unless you are willing to bet me $ 1,000,000. I would bet at least 80% grade the same or higher.
So put your money where your mouth is so we can stop talking about carrots
Ikeigwin - York 1909 VDB is a nice coin but lacks mint bloom and color. There is also rub or cabinet friction on Lincoln’s lapel.Leave it alone !
Zion’s - The other 1909 VDB graded ms 68 red resides in the High Desert collection. The present specimen graded ms 68 red is much finer IMO
Element - I agree the Ms 68 red/brown is stunning. I believe it brought almost $ 25,000 in auction. That was double the price guide value ! I doubt this Ms 68 red will bring that amount
I'm surprised there aren't more of them.
Some history . . .although not sure how relevant it might be ???
Got an NGC MS67 RD as a birthday present from my wife . .via a dealer we both knew. Fun . . old holder . . . .eventually sold it for about 20x my purchase price. Not bad . .
Second . .
Buddy of mine said there was a simple little coin shop in Parowan, UT (near Cedar City). Next time down, I located it up some narrow stairs to a second floor balcony overlooking the main street . . . . and only street . . . in Parowan. One rotating case . . .guys had about 1/3 of just my collection in his inventory . . .except a very nice 1909-VDB.
Got it graded . . . . . . . . . . . MS67RD. At the time . . . it was tied for finest. Sure had 'the look' of a 68 . . . . but I was never adept at the game. Still, I bought it for $30 . . . had it as my 09-VDB in the slabbed 7070 for as decade or so . . . then sold it, but not for $30.
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These are such frustrating threads to read.
I'll never forget one LB show many year ago where PCGS made 3 $1 1921 Peace in MS67!!!! We had already bought one and now had to buy another. Couldn't get the 3rd one. Pop went from 3 to 6 that weekend.
Did Andy make it?
Sold for $22,800 in August. Gorgeous.
It is very nice. For the price, I'm happy with mine:
Welcome to your new 68 - just ignore the long cut under the date and it's a 68!!