I can see why it's a very nice coin. The best part is you can always remove the color if it's not right and will be just the same a very nice coin. You did very good..
I don’t know for a fact it’s ever been to CAC but most likely. The color is 100% original tissue toning - almost certainly from the Jenks sets
The only reason it won’t CAC or cross is that it’s just not a technical 69 with the spot on the reverse. But some coins transcend their numerical grade - this is one of them. I’ve been contemplating a purchase for a year now and finally pulled the trigger
@afford said:
Beautiful piece, easily recognized by the toning mark over the Eagles left shoulder. So now the provenance in important, interesting.
It is not a toning mark and I agree with the post above. @TDN sure has a good eye. I think collectors of his caliber also must get the first crack at the best-of-the-best coins.
I have to say I do find it attractive. Don’t see much under that color either. Not sure the price but you can always cross it over ask for dip. (Wink wink) apparently not all get this as not what I would do. So I will just add it here.
The spot on the reverse is distracting but you can always avoid looking at that side. Now, the obverse gives me thoughts of Lady Liberty sitting on the edge of a pier on a cool summer evening as the sun is setting and beautiful calm blue water below her feet.
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I like the crisp strike and awesome toning. I'm sure that it's one of the nicest examples in the series. You'll have something to take out and admire for as long as you are the caretaker. Congrats!
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Well, your the expert in this series so I would expect you would be able to pick this coin out in a crowd and disregard the plastic, stickers, etc., etc. Lets hope others can learn from your action.
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Only you can decide if you overpaid since an unstickered NGC 69 Trade Dollar with a well-known provenance is pretty tough to calculate a "market price" on. Lovely coin and the "spot" is not very noticeable in your photo.
Good stuff.
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I saw it last year. What an amazing Proof Trade Dollar. That coin is beyond anything imaginable. Even before the toning kicked in, it was just a superbly well made coin. Congrats.
Waaayyyy back in March of 2003, I was offered the opportunity to buy the Knoxville Collection in total. I took the overall inventory, did my research and then worked my best to assign values, to see if I could come anywhere close to the asking price.
As of that time in 2003, I "graded" the 1883 Proof Trade Dollar as $100K. (By the way, the coin was graded as PR69 by NGC back in 1996!!)
Back then, I did not have a plated Jenks Catalog, but I do now. I'll check to see if it was plated and will post a picture if I find it.
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AT?
Big mistake
This post will serve as my putting my name in for the giveaway.
Thanks!
AT? lol ....uhmmmm....no
Knoxville provenance
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It’s not an ms69 but still, Wow! Spot and all
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Do you mean CAC reviewed it but declined to bean it?
I can see why it's a very nice coin. The best part is you can always remove the color if it's not right and will be just the same a very nice coin. You did very good..
Hoard the keys.
very artful
I don’t know for a fact it’s ever been to CAC but most likely. The color is 100% original tissue toning - almost certainly from the Jenks sets
The only reason it won’t CAC or cross is that it’s just not a technical 69 with the spot on the reverse. But some coins transcend their numerical grade - this is one of them. I’ve been contemplating a purchase for a year now and finally pulled the trigger
"But some coins transcend their numerical grade..."
Very important point, especially where prior ownership is concerned.
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Guess it didn't CAC because of the listed graded.
But WOW. Beautiful coin. You must be thrilled.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
It is impossible to knowingly overpay.
It is not a toning mark and I agree with the post above. @TDN sure has a good eye. I think collectors of his caliber also must get the first crack at the best-of-the-best coins.
I have to say I do find it attractive. Don’t see much under that color either. Not sure the price but you can always cross it over ask for dip. (Wink wink) apparently not all get this as not what I would do. So I will just add it here.
Nice coin.
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I like it! On a coin like that, some things just dont matter much. I would have bought it raw!
Wrong holder, throw it back into the lake.
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The spot on the reverse is distracting but you can always avoid looking at that side. Now, the obverse gives me thoughts of Lady Liberty sitting on the edge of a pier on a cool summer evening as the sun is setting and beautiful calm blue water below her feet.
That is a really pretty coin! I aspire to own something like that one day!
Wow! Stunning...
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So what is the history of Knoxville provenance ?
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Holy crap that thing is gorgeous problem coon or not.
Find some info here:
https://raregoldcoins.com/blog/articles/pedigrees-and-numismatics
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I’ve always loved that coin
Congrats! Gotta know when to pick your spots
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Awesome coin TDN!
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“Some coins transcend their numerical grade.”
This!!!
True of so many coins. Just like certain houses & properties transcend anything you can put in an appraisal.
I like the crisp strike and awesome toning. I'm sure that it's one of the nicest examples in the series. You'll have something to take out and admire for as long as you are the caretaker. Congrats!
I knew it would happen.
Awesome coin! Did Laura have a mini stroke when she saw you purchased a non-CACed coin and NGC at that?
Nature can be a cruel mistress sometimes.
Well, your the expert in this series so I would expect you would be able to pick this coin out in a crowd and disregard the plastic, stickers, etc., etc. Lets hope others can learn from your action.
WS
Only you can decide if you overpaid since an unstickered NGC 69 Trade Dollar with a well-known provenance is pretty tough to calculate a "market price" on. Lovely coin and the "spot" is not very noticeable in your photo.
Good stuff.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Truly lovely.
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If the coin "speaks" to you and it is unique or nearly so, then you did not overpay.
I have seen that coin before.
I think it was on this forum, but I may be wrong!
I remember that spots the reverse.
Very sharp strick.
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I saw it last year. What an amazing Proof Trade Dollar. That coin is beyond anything imaginable. Even before the toning kicked in, it was just a superbly well made coin. Congrats.
Also, it that an iPhone pic? Pretty awesome.
shame on you.
Great eye appeal, I don't care about fussy details, let the marketplace decide.
She is indeed a looker!
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Beautiful coin.
Are you going to cross it at a lower grade to PCGS?
I doubt it. I still haven’t haven’t seen it in hand to give my own assessment of grade yet though
Awesome pickup!!
Waaayyyy back in March of 2003, I was offered the opportunity to buy the Knoxville Collection in total. I took the overall inventory, did my research and then worked my best to assign values, to see if I could come anywhere close to the asking price.
As of that time in 2003, I "graded" the 1883 Proof Trade Dollar as $100K. (By the way, the coin was graded as PR69 by NGC back in 1996!!)
Back then, I did not have a plated Jenks Catalog, but I do now. I'll check to see if it was plated and will post a picture if I find it.
I thought it looked familiar. We had a thread about this coin 18 months ago.
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https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/975505/1883-proof-trade-dollar-pr-69/p1
he won't be downgrading it. No need. this is a true case of buying the coin. the only PR TD I know is equal-Simpsons 1878 PR69 PCGS!
This coin has haunted TDN. He will do just fine w/it-so long as he holds it.
Nice coin for the reasons here and a million more !!
Let me know when the giveaway is.
It doesn't suck.
That coin has amazing strike/detail.... really nice.... Cheers, RickO