Matte Proof Wheat Penny (Picture added)

gene1978 · January 16, 2018 6:11AM

What the best why to tell if you have one or not?

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WoodenJefferson · January 16, 2018 6:21AM

Number 1 and easiest to spot are the wide flat rims produced by the single coin press squeeze. You go from there with the lesser diagnostics that are published.

ricko · January 16, 2018 6:59AM

And, you can post a quality picture here.... the forum members will be happy to evaluate it and let you know. Cheers, RickO

BillJones · January 16, 2018 7:03AM

Here is a 1909 Plain Cent in PR-66 Matte Proof.

gene1978 · January 16, 2018 10:50AM

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robec · January 16, 2018 1:29PM

Sharp rims

Die scratches in front of nose.

Die scratch from shoulder and B in LIBERTY

Crescent shape die gouge on reverse after the M in UNUM

gene1978 · January 27, 2018 2:07PM

Picture added

BuffaloIronTail · January 27, 2018 3:07PM

Well done, Bob!!!

Coudn't have shown it better myself

Pete

Kkathyl · January 27, 2018 3:31PM

Dang Bob did you get a scope for those shot. Nocturnes are great. Notes and everything. Wow. I’m impressed.

robec · January 27, 2018 8:47PM

@Kkathyl said:
Dang Bob did you get a scope for those shot. Nocturnes are great. Notes and everything. Wow. I’m impressed.

Some of the photos are blown up CoinFacts pix. I just put circles around a few diagnostics. Pictures are worth a thousand words.

Insider2 · January 27, 2018 8:49PM

Are there more than one pair of dies?

robec · January 27, 2018 9:18PM

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

Insider2 · January 28, 2018 9:21AM

@robec said:

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

I asked the wrong question. Are each of these coins found in completely different die states than imaged above?

Treashunt · January 28, 2018 9:43AM

no, not a MP

robec · January 28, 2018 10:04AM

@Insider2 said:

@robec said:

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

I asked the wrong question. Are each of these coins found in completely different die states than imaged above?

In regard to the photos I posted it doesn't matter. These diagnostics are found in all die states.

edited: Since I have corrected my previous response that there were 2 obverse and reverse dies used for the 1909 MPL, the photos I posted were for obverse and reverse die #1.

robec · January 28, 2018 10:26AM

@robec said:

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

This has been updated since the publication of Kevin Flynn's book, "Lincoln Cent Matte Proofs". There have been 2 confirmed obverse and reverse dies used for the 1909 matte proof.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/772338/1909-mpl-new-die-listing-updated

Matte Proof Wheat Penny (Picture added)

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