Matte Proof Wheat Penny (Picture added)

gene1978

What the best why to tell if you have one or not?

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WoodenJefferson

Number 1 and easiest to spot are the wide flat rims produced by the single coin press squeeze. You go from there with the lesser diagnostics that are published.

ricko

And, you can post a quality picture here.... the forum members will be happy to evaluate it and let you know. Cheers, RickO

BillJones

Here is a 1909 Plain Cent in PR-66 Matte Proof.

gene1978

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robec

Sharp rims

Die scratches in front of nose.

Die scratch from shoulder and B in LIBERTY

Crescent shape die gouge on reverse after the M in UNUM

gene1978

Picture added

BuffaloIronTail

Well done, Bob!!!

Coudn't have shown it better myself

Pete

Kkathyl

Dang Bob did you get a scope for those shot. Nocturnes are great. Notes and everything. Wow. I’m impressed.

robec

@Kkathyl said:
Dang Bob did you get a scope for those shot. Nocturnes are great. Notes and everything. Wow. I’m impressed.

Some of the photos are blown up CoinFacts pix. I just put circles around a few diagnostics. Pictures are worth a thousand words.

Insider2

Are there more than one pair of dies?

robec

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

Insider2

@robec said:

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

I asked the wrong question. Are each of these coins found in completely different die states than imaged above?

Treashunt

no, not a MP

robec

@Insider2 said:

@robec said:

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

I asked the wrong question. Are each of these coins found in completely different die states than imaged above?

In regard to the photos I posted it doesn't matter. These diagnostics are found in all die states.

edited: Since I have corrected my previous response that there were 2 obverse and reverse dies used for the 1909 MPL, the photos I posted were for obverse and reverse die #1.

robec

@robec said:

@Insider2 said:
Are there more than one pair of dies?

Both the VDB and 1909 used one pair of dies. The 1909 reverse die was different from the VDB reverse die. Both the 1909 and the VDB used the same obverse die.

This has been updated since the publication of Kevin Flynn's book, "Lincoln Cent Matte Proofs". There have been 2 confirmed obverse and reverse dies used for the 1909 matte proof.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/772338/1909-mpl-new-die-listing-updated