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Let's Play Guess the Grade, 1846-O Half Eagle. - No CAC involved. Answer Provided

BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 14, 2017 8:57AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Okay, this coin does not have a CAC sticker and it's in "the wrong holder." There will be no CAC commentary here. Be that as it may it is a very scarce date and mint mark combination with a "Coin Facts" estimated population of 90 pieces. Doug Winter says there are only four or five known in Mint State.

Here are the straight on shots. As usual with my photography the mark in front the nose is there, but it's not as big as it appears. Otherwise this is fairly accurate.


And here are the angle shots which you can interpret them as you like. Some people think that these are taken for the sake of hype.


For those who guessed MS-61, you are a winner!. This coin has really great eye appeal, and would be a very nice example of the No Motton $5 Liberty, which is a very scarce type in Mint State.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as a NGC 61 although a little field and neck friction is present so there will be plenty of 58 guesses

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    NumivenNumiven Posts: 382 ✭✭✭

    What a beauty! Bill you have all the treasures!

    Maybe 58-61?

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU 58. Marks/lines in the fields and slight rub in the hair.

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    BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold is tough for me, but I see very little wear and nice detail, minus the field chatter and I would say MS for sure and a high of 63.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2017 3:33PM

    I was thinking ms63, branch mint, looks new, minimal marks, high end of the bell curve. Must have been carefully kept to be in such good shape. On second thought, no glow of luster so probably 61-2.

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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭

    62

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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    au58

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61...I just sold my two 1846-O $5s to DWN...LOL

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    coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't tell what the luster would look like in hand but I think it is uncirculated and I would guess MS63

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think CAC would.... B)>:)

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Marks in the field do not take a coin out of the MS grade ranges. While I see the "rub" others mention, IMO, commercially graded MS-61. Nope, just raised it to MS-62. :)

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks MS to me, and being in a newer holder (Ok, I realize the gradeflation topic is about as beat to death as CAC), I would think NGC gave it an MS grade, probably 61 if not 62.

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whatever the grade is, it won't sticker, especially in that plastic. >:)

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A very desirable 62.

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    goldengolden Posts: 10,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first thought was 62.

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    jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:
    Whatever the grade is, it won't sticker, especially in that plastic. >:)

    +1

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh, but CAC does sticker NGC plastic. I know it does not mean much to a lot of people, but they do.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would guess 62 maybe 63.

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    msch1manmsch1man Posts: 811 ✭✭✭✭

    62

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    BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭

    Agree with RYK and others--commercially graded 62. Whether there is a touch of rub or not doesn't really matter in this instance.

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    CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as an MS62. Nice NO HE.

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    skier07skier07 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On a good day 62, on a bad day 58. Beautiful coin.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since most have guessed MS-62, we are all probably wrong...LOL.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @skier07 said:
    On a good day 62, on a bad day 58. Beautiful coin.

    On a good day, 62 or 58, on a bad day 60-61?

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    skier07skier07 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    On a good day, 62 or 58, on a bad day 60-61?

    I'd rather have it in a 60 or 61 holder than a 58, regardless of how unsexy 60 is. There's almost a two fold increase in price from a 58 to 60.

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My WAG = 62

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    Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mint State for sure NGC would have giving that probably a MS61, the hit on reverse and the hit on the obverse star keeps it from a 62..so MS61

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @skier07 said:

    @Zoins said:

    On a good day, 62 or 58, on a bad day 60-61?

    I'd rather have it in a 60 or 61 holder than a 58, regardless of how unsexy 60 is. There's almost a two fold increase in price from a 58 to 60.

    Good point. Money talks!

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Should I end the suspense or leave it for tomorrow?

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2017 2:59PM

    Let it run - not every one of the usual suspects can chime in on Sunday afternoon.

    There's a crowd of folks who never check these things until they get back to work!

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not PCGS or CAC why even bother guessing? ;)

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61

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    Jackthecat1Jackthecat1 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭

    63

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62, wish it were mine. Mines a lowly XF cleaned.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

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    NumivenNumiven Posts: 382 ✭✭✭

    Took a deper look. This is for sure MS61 or 62.

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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2017 9:25PM

    Beautiful Southern Gold ;)

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks 63 to me.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    judging only from the pictures I would say MS61 and suspect that what some see as rub in he hair is strike weakness.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62..... Don't care what plastic it is in.... Cheers, RickO

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 11,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as MS62. I'll guess it is in an AU58 holder.

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61 at best, any higher and it over-graded! jmho

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TTT

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    chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭

    I guessed 63 but I only own 2 pieces of gold so like Jon Snow....I know Nothing

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's nice!

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did I win the give away?

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