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NEWP an unusual Trade Dollar

JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 12, 2017 12:24PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Unusual in a good way. Ever since I purchased a proof Trade Dollar awhile back I wanted to add a business strike. I was always taught the best time to buy something is when you see it . When this popped up on the Legend site I couldn't get to George fast enough.

I've never seen a business strike that displayed such cameo contrast. It really looks like a proof. A bit of an anomaly. Two sided PL to boot.

Still need to find my real unicorn. A true cameo proof Walker

m

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin, congrats!

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. I'd like to own a Trade Dollar, someday.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you actually type CAC? :o

    Nice coin, BTW. :+1:

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Did you actually type CAC? :o

    Nice coin, BTW. :+1:

    BUSTED!! :D;)

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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2017 12:27PM

    That's the "Broken Arrows" variety, too. Look at the shafts on the top and bottom arrows. On more circulated examples, the arrow shafts virtually disappear. Nice pick-up!!!

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, nice ... NICE!

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great looking TDs @Justacommeman and @boiler78!

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2017 2:09PM

    @afford

    Actually the mirrors are intense. Blinding actually. You should the coin in hand. Thanks for you input.

    @boiler78
    @TLeverage

    Great coins

    mark

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭

    Gorgeous! Congrats on the NEWP.

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  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lovely! Congrats.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin, Mark.
    Tleverage's coin has a great look to it also. Maybe what we see in Liberty's lap is "contra-coup" effect from the chop on the rev? Looks like it lines up to me.

  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2017 3:01PM

    Great coin Mark!!

    Happens to be the “broken arrows” variety, no real premium at this level but I believe there’s a neat story behind it. Maybe @keoj will stop by to tell?

  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a blazer.

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin Mark!

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  • TLeverageTLeverage Posts: 259 ✭✭✭

    @afford said:
    Love your piece. A couple of questions, do I see solder on the obv lap?
    And what Chinese (if Chinese) letter for a chop is that on the rev, hard to tell?
    thanks

    The marks you see on the obverse are damage from the single reverse chop bleeding to the opposite side, as @kaz suggested. I have not been able to identify or translate the chop.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,633 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2017 5:55PM

    Purdy!

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  • Jackthecat1Jackthecat1 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭

    If you want a type coin. it should look like this.

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  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's an attention getter, nice nice coin

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2017 7:59PM

    Great stuff , that die pair does come flashy but geeze. Not many 65+ trades out there

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey there, Mark
    What a beauty my friend. You sure do know how to pick up of some real knockouts.

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a Coin

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman posted: "I've never seen a business strike that displayed such cameo contrast. It really looks like a proof. A bit of an anomaly. Two sided PL to boot."

    What's the chance of posting another image of your coin showing a mirror surface like the PL reverse on the coin below?

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have thought to be better than 65+. Perhaps hairlines on the reverse limited the grade?

    OINK

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing common about that Trade Dollar...magnificent!

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  • BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Way to go Mark, your on a gorgeous beach with stunning scenery and you still have time to watch auctions and pull the trigger on such a beautiful TD.

    I don't think I would have that type of discipline. I would be more worried about what your photo bomber would like for her next cocktail. ;)


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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2017 10:52PM

    @insider

    Sorry I don't have a photo set up. These are quick IPad pics. I took a grand total of two pics on the IPad and these are them. Let me know the next show you will be at and I'll bring it. Nothing beats seeing a coin in hand. And yes the REVERSE on Boilers coin has more contrast. By the way Boiler has a world class collection and is a world class guy to boot. I love the coin he posted.and would have considered it as well.

    mark

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    I would have thought to be better than 65+. Perhaps hairlines on the reverse limited the grade?

    OINK

    It's funny you say that as hairlines are normally associated with proofs. Yes, the mirrors accentuate any marks. 65+ seems appropriate. There are 8 coins graded numerically higher but I like the attributes of this coin more then most of those.

    @ everyone thanks for the comments and I'm glad a lot of the Trade dollar guys chimed in as I respect their knowledge.

    mark

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  • NumivenNumiven Posts: 382 ✭✭✭

    Beautiful!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice Trade Dollar Mark.... I like Trade Dollars, and have a predisposition for chop marked specimens. Yours fills the bill... Cheers, RickO

  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty coin.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OriginalDan said:
    Great coin Mark!!

    Happens to be the “broken arrows” variety, no real premium at this level but I believe there’s a neat story behind it. Maybe @keoj will stop by to tell?

    I love stories! I wish he would come by!!!

    mark

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  • AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful TD .... Congrats Mark

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2017 8:28PM

    This variety is discussed in a Gobrecht Journal article (Issue#65 3/96) by Tom Delorey. I don't have a scanner to post the article. :(

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @boiler78 said:

    Pretty sure that is the 77s DDR, OriginalDan and I saw at Baltimore a couple of years ago. It is single-handedly the finest non-proof I have ever held in hand. The rev is full DMPL and better than most proofs i have seen. It is clear the Sanfran mint was perfecting the die finishing techniques that led to so many DMPL Morgans in the coming years.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks J!! You Trade Dollar guys are a strange lot but you know your Sh*t :p

    The reverse on the Boiler looks beyond sick.

    m

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  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great coins from everyone. I used to be so in love with PL aspects on Trade Dollars. Too bad that I only do Dark Side now, but threads like this surely tempt me mightily.

    And, yes, @boiler78 is a great guy with a great collection. Back in the day, he used to show me his newps and they were always trophy pieces.

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    This variety is discussed in a Gobrecht Journal article (Issue#65 3/96) by Tom Delorey. I don't have a scanner to post the article. :(

    No need to scan it yourself - that's already been done at the Newman Numismatic Portal.
    Here's a direct link to the article:
    https://archive.org/stream/gobrechtjournalfn065libe#page/n19/mode/2up

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2017 12:30AM

    @EVillageProwler said:
    Great coins from everyone. I used to be so in love with PL aspects on Trade Dollars. Too bad that I only do Dark Side now, but threads like this surely tempt me mightily.

    And, yes, @boiler78 is a great guy with a great collection. Back in the day, he used to show me his newps and they were always trophy pieces.

    EVP

    PL aspects is a great moniker.

    m

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto ...Thanks for the backstory.... Cheers, RickO

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @EVillageProwler said:
    Great coins from everyone. I used to be so in love with PL aspects on Trade Dollars. Too bad that I only do Dark Side now, but threads like this surely tempt me mightily.

    And, yes, @boiler78 is a great guy with a great collection. Back in the day, he used to show me his newps and they were always trophy pieces.

    EVP

    PL aspects is a great moniker.

    m

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    @Insider2 said:
    This variety is discussed in a Gobrecht Journal article (Issue#65 3/96) by Tom Delorey. I don't have a scanner to post the article. :(

    No need to scan it yourself - that's already been done at the Newman Numismatic Portal.
    Here's a direct link to the article:
    https://archive.org/stream/gobrechtjournalfn065libe#page/n19/mode/2up

    Thanks for the link.
    TD

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fabulous piece with lots of character as has been said. For a type coin, it's hard to imagine what could be better.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,647 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a beauty!

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2017 10:21AM

    @Justacommeman said:
    Thanks J!! You Trade Dollar guys are a strange lot but you know your Sh*t :p

    The reverse on the Boiler looks beyond sick.

    m

    Yah totally only us trade dollar guys being weirdos. The rest of you numismatists are completely normal :*

    I would also petition the court to throw out the outliers. One or two bad/crazy apples can spoil the cider. ;)

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful, congrats!

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