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basetsb · June 8, 2017 9:18AM

@ModCrewman said:

@boyernumismatics said:
I send all my subs Secure, so they automatically come with true views. That's the "before posted" photos. I use an app to get the pics as soon as grades are posted.

This is the part of the thread that most interests me...shoot me a PM with what App that is. That is, if you don't want to share the details of your app here.

Its called Slabreader

TommyType · June 8, 2017 9:20AM

I remember the original thread, and have been waiting for the results. Without actually re-reading that thread, I believe I stated, "It should not get a straight grade".

While I quite obviously have to bow to the actual results.....I still stand by my opinion.

Congrats anyway.

asheland · June 8, 2017 9:27AM

Interesting dime.

ModCrewman · June 8, 2017 9:29AM

Ah...I'd be an Android guy...no SlabReader app for me.

basetsb · June 8, 2017 9:30AM

@ModCrewman said:
Ah...I'd be an Android guy...no SlabReader app for me.

Dang

boyernumismatics · June 8, 2017 9:34AM

@FadeToBlack said:
Guess the profits on the dime will cover the bath somebody is taking on the QC cents. $70+ down the drain right there.

I mean no offense, I'm just pointing out how tactless it is to basically come in looking to hand out crow when you couldn't even nail down QC. I mean, 3 QC's is really rough, I've never gotten more than one on a sub.

EDIT: Went and found the sub. 4 QC's.

Second and last coins were pulled from mint sets, so not QC, and the first one was from a cleaned slab, so I thought I would try again. Third one was just a nice coin I had laying around. The order you posted the pics was the order they were on the sub. The cleaned/ACTUAL questionable one should've been omitted, so the other 3 would straight grade...nice try though on making a petty insult

boyernumismatics · June 8, 2017 9:36AM

@ModCrewman said:

@boyernumismatics said:
I send all my subs Secure, so they automatically come with true views. That's the "before posted" photos. I use an app to get the pics as soon as grades are posted.

This is the part of the thread that most interests me...shoot me a PM with what App that is. That is, if you don't want to share the details of your app here.

@basetsb covered it, but it's Slabreader by monstercoinz. The guy who made the app is a great guy on the IG coin community.

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CaptHenway · June 8, 2017 9:58AM

@boyernumismatics said:

@FadeToBlack said:
Guess the profits on the dime will cover the bath somebody is taking on the QC cents. $70+ down the drain right there.

I mean no offense, I'm just pointing out how tactless it is to basically come in looking to hand out crow when you couldn't even nail down QC. I mean, 3 QC's is really rough, I've never gotten more than one on a sub.

EDIT: Went and found the sub. 4 QC's.

Second and last coins were pulled from mint sets, so not QC, and the first one was from a cleaned slab, so I thought I would try again. Third one was just a nice coin I had laying around. The order you posted the pics was the order they were on the sub. The cleaned/ACTUAL questionable one should've been omitted, so the other 3 would straight grade...nice try though on making a petty insult

So they were wrong on cents 2, 3 and 4, but correct on the dime? Sounds like the entire package got looked at by the "B Team" graders.

A major authentication service once incorrectly certified as genuine a 1959-D wheat back cent that in actuality had an altered date. When I questioned them about it, they told me that they hadn't noticed that it was the wrong type for the year, and passed it through with just a glance because sometimes people submitted coins that weren't worth spending a lot of time on. That may have happened on your dime.

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basetsb · June 8, 2017 10:13AM

@CoinsAndMoreCoins said:

@CaptHenway said:

So they were wrong on cents 2, 3 and 4, but correct on the dime? Sounds like the entire package got looked at by the "B Team" graders.

A major authentication service once incorrectly certified as genuine a 1959-D wheat back cent that in actuality had an altered date. When I questioned them about it, they told me that they hadn't noticed that it was the wrong type for the year, and passed it through with just a glance because sometimes people submitted coins that weren't worth spending a lot of time on. That may have happened on your dime.

Well ok, one very credible Voice of Reason chimes in and even offers logically deduced speculation based on real world experience and common sense.

Everyone else thus far seems either:

Well ok, they graded it so therefore IT IS,

OR

It's bogus.

Again, I believe it appears, without seeing the 3rd side and knowing the weight, to be a mint error that would be much more valuable than as a dubiously graded lowball.

I'm glad to stand corrected upon ANYONE offering any plausible explanation as to how that coin ended up in that condition without intentional assistance. Did it get caught in a conveyor or what?

It was probably in a clothes dryer a few times. Who knows? But now that its slabbed, it's a rarity no matter what. and that is $$$$

oih82w8 · June 8, 2017 10:36AM

Do I sense another "recall" coin similar to a recent 1909 VDB MPL?

I could agree with the weak strike diagnostics of this piece.

Perhaps the Young Numismatists (B-Team) were stopping by for a field visit and got to take a whack at this submission order to hone their skills?

coinpro76 · June 8, 2017 11:08AM

Can you post the 1852 3 Cent?

Unknown · June 8, 2017 11:17AM

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oih82w8 · June 8, 2017 11:18AM

apparently someone else can too!

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sparky64 · June 8, 2017 11:19AM

@coinpro76 said:
Can you post the 1852 3 Cent?

Nice and worn 3c.

JBK · June 8, 2017 11:21AM

Congratulations to Boyer and his victory lap. The fact is that this is now a slabbed dime with a label that should fetch a few $ on eBay. Whether he just got lucky or knew the game on lowball coins better than most of us, the bottom line is that he got what he was looking for, and you have to appreciate that.

However, I am with the group that believes this is PMD or “unnatural wear”, call it what you will. If artificially wearing down the outer part of a coin can qualify it for a Poor grade, then I need to get to work and make some lowball coins for registry set collectors. I had always understood that wear had to be natural in order for a coin to grade. I really think our host dropped the ball on this one and that leaves us with no guidance on what constitutes honest wear.

I search rolls of nickels and I come across coins like this on occasion. They clearly have been stuck in some machine - washing machine, coin counter, etc. The wear is not uniform and the coins have areas of sharp details and areas of no details, and the edges are worn thin. This is not what a naturally worn coin looks like. I had set aside a nickel that is even more worn (and across the whole coin) than this dime – if it has a date I will think about sending it in before common sense is restored.

Owen1793 · June 8, 2017 11:29AM

roadrunner · June 8, 2017 12:25PM

This represents a single grading event. It could easy change on subsequent submissions. All I know is that the coin shows portions with XF/AU details. I've never seen a worn from circulation AG Bust, Seated, Barber, or Merc dime that also had some XF/AU details. I'd call that impossible. An AG Roosevelt dime that's only 13 yrs old?

https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/Roosevelt/Grades

Ironically, PCGS photograde doesn't even show a Roosy dime below a grade of Fine 15. But even on that one the torch is essentially flattened out and void of detail. Merc dimes are similar and in grades of G/VG and lower, the center design is flat as a pancake. On an AG Merc there's no center details left. Why not so on this 2004 dime with most of the fine torch details intact? 40% of the coin "looks" AG. The other 60% looks XF/AU which would be very typical of a circulated 2004 coin. I could at least believe it being an error coin with some strange striking anomaly....rather than a well worn AG dime.

Wabbit2313 · June 8, 2017 1:23PM

I didn't take a bet the first time but I will bet that dime is not worth squat!

joeykoins · June 8, 2017 1:58PM

LOL

joeykoins · June 8, 2017 1:58PM

sorry, double post. oops

ctf_error_coins · June 8, 2017 2:13PM

I still believe that that dime was damaged.

It was not graded as an error coin.

Even if it somehow is a real error, it would not be worth the error grading fee.

Graded as is, IMO, it is worth 10 cents.

ctf_error_coins · June 8, 2017 2:22PM

Here is what a real error looks like. This is a Die Adjustment Strike. Notice the edges are not worn down!

JBK · June 8, 2017 2:48PM

Now correct me if I am wrong, but a TPG would not (should not) grade an error like that as "poor" as it is an error, not worn down from circulating.....

ctf_error_coins · June 8, 2017 2:53PM

@JBK said:
Now correct me if I am wrong, but a TPG would not (should not) grade an error like that as "poor" as it is an error, not worn down from circulating.....

Yes, it is not poor as it is a DAS. NCG does not put a numerical grade on these (they should imo) but my guess is AU58

dbldie55 · June 8, 2017 2:56PM

I have coins that did not grade on one submission and did on the next. So who was right? PCGS or PCGS

Just cuz it graded does not dis-prove those who think it was PMD.

boyernumismatics · June 8, 2017 3:46PM

I'm getting a great laugh at those of you who are picking apart every single detail of the coin in a blight attempt to disbar my assumptions and personal character traits.

I applaud those of you who actually know that I sent this coin in simply and ONLY simply to make a point that it would GRADE. At NO point did I ever say that it was natural, because I'm not that stupid. Just look at the thing! How could that ever be natural! LOL

@Wabbit2313 said:
I didn't take a bet the first time but I will bet that dime is not worth squat!

You're on, Wabbit. When I get it in hand, it's going right up on eBay and I will bet you that it brings comical figures. Once again, LOLLLLL.

@FadeToBlack said:

@boyernumismatics said:
Second and last coins were pulled from mint sets, so not QC, and the first one was from a cleaned slab, so I thought I would try again. Third one was just a nice coin I had laying around. The order you posted the pics was the order they were on the sub. The cleaned/ACTUAL questionable one should've been omitted, so the other 3 would straight grade...nice try though on making a petty insult

Uhh, just because they came from mint sets doesn't mean they're market acceptable. The term isn't "artificially toned", it's "questionable color", and just because a coin is from OGP doesn't mean it's not QC, even if naturally toned. All PCGS really asks in regards to toned coins is "Is this coin market acceptable?" and if not, it gets QC'ed.

Let's be honest, the dime is worth what? $50 or so max? How much got sunk on grading those QC cents? I mean, econ sub it looks like, plus secure, so $100? You're strutting around and bragging about being right on one coin when you were wrong on 4 others. That flies in the face of the narrative that you're trying to arrange here.

PS: The only one of those that is even close is the '55 and that is nothing special imho.

You seem to know little to nothing about toned coins. You're hiding behind a wall of hatred for something simply because you can't understand the multiple aspects that makes a coin MA or not. If I cared to waste my time showing people like you all of the reasons why the coins pictured (besides the obvious QC #1), you'd STILL run to the shade that is your closed- minded fallacy which you call "intelligence." Have a nice day and buh-bye.

boyernumismatics · June 8, 2017 3:47PM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
I still believe that that dime was damaged.

It was not graded as an error coin.

Even if it somehow is a real error, it would not be worth the error grading fee.

Graded as is, IMO, it is worth 10 cents.

I'll be sure to bring up this thread and tag you a few times when I have the eBay listing posted, then more when it sells for some comical figure. Like to place a bet it goes for more than TEN CENTS? I thought you said it was worth EIGHT earlier? lol

ctf_error_coins · June 8, 2017 3:52PM

@boyernumismatics said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
I still believe that that dime was damaged.

It was not graded as an error coin.

Even if it somehow is a real error, it would not be worth the error grading fee.

Graded as is, IMO, it is worth 10 cents.

I'll be sure to bring up this thread and tag you a few times when I have the eBay listing posted, then more when it sells for some comical figure. Like to place a bet it goes for more than TEN CENTS? I thought you said it was worth EIGHT earlier? lol

I buy and sell many MAJOR error coins and am VERY familiar with error coin price trends.

You coin on ebay wil bring a very small amount, unless you try to trick a newbie into believing what it is not.

boyernumismatics · June 8, 2017 3:54PM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@boyernumismatics said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
I still believe that that dime was damaged.

It was not graded as an error coin.

Even if it somehow is a real error, it would not be worth the error grading fee.

Graded as is, IMO, it is worth 10 cents.

I'll be sure to bring up this thread and tag you a few times when I have the eBay listing posted, then more when it sells for some comical figure. Like to place a bet it goes for more than TEN CENTS? I thought you said it was worth EIGHT earlier? lol

I buy and sell many MAJOR error coins and am VERY familiar with error coin price trends.

You coin on ebay wil bring a very small amount, unless you try to trick a newbie into believing what it is not.

...you're pretty dense buddy. When and where did literally anyone say this coin is an error? It graded AG03 and that's how I'm going to sell it. It's a novelty/ registry set barker.

This is NOT an error........

ctf_error_coins · June 8, 2017 3:59PM

The coin is damaged and mis-graded

I am done with your thread, enjoy it.

abcde12345 · June 8, 2017 4:01PM

Your coin should fetch $100. or more. There are registries that need this coin and why not? It's fun. Those who insist on making ackward posts are those who guess wrong or those who can't stand the idea that there are collectors who do this for the joy of it all. The loudest are usually those who have the least viable content.

UnclePennyBags · June 8, 2017 4:01PM

@boyernumismatics said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
I still believe that that dime was damaged.

It was not graded as an error coin.

Even if it somehow is a real error, it would not be worth the error grading fee.

Graded as is, IMO, it is worth 10 cents.

I'll be sure to bring up this thread and tag you a few times when I have the eBay listing posted, then more when it sells for some comical figure. Like to place a bet it goes for more than TEN CENTS? I thought you said it was worth EIGHT earlier? lol

That was me that said 8.... obviously I was joking.. its still worth 10..... People have bought ham sandwiches on ebay for absurd money and that doesn't mean anything more than some person really wanted a ham sandwich.

The only reason your coin is worth more than 10 cents is because of the registry... Some people just have to be the top dog of something and if they want to spend good money on pocket change than more power to them.... GOD BLESS AMERICA!

abcde12345 · June 8, 2017 4:05PM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
The coin is damaged and mis-graded

I am done with your thread, enjoy it.

Must feel good believing you're superior to all the graders at PCGS.

boyernumismatics · June 8, 2017 4:18PM

@abcde12345 said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
The coin is damaged and mis-graded

I am done with your thread, enjoy it.

Must feel good believing you're superior to all the graders at PCGS.

I'm not sure I've seen someone as dense as him. Is he mad that I'm saying it's not an error?? But he's saying it's not an error...since it's not an error I agree with him. Is he mad that I'm agreeing with him? What is his problem???!

Wabbit2313 · June 8, 2017 4:22PM

As important as this clucker dime is to this dude, 10 to 1 he will buy it himself or have his lackeys buy it! Not sure how having that thing grade is any reason to brag, but I am happy for you! It was a sympathy grade from some grader, still laughing, that you sent it in!

Zoins · June 8, 2017 4:26PM

The coin and grading are probably already worth it for all the discussion it's generated!

lkeigwin · June 8, 2017 4:28PM

If the coin were sent in as a grade guarantee submission (which would be utterly hilarious) what are the chances PCGS would bodybag it as damaged and make a payout? How much would the payout be?

If it were sent is as a regrade what would the new grade likely be? A bodybag or a higher grade?

I'm not asserting any opinion about the coin. I just find these scenarios amusing.
Lance.

boyernumismatics · June 8, 2017 4:31PM

@Wabbit2313 said:
As important as this clucker dime is to this dude, 10 to 1 he will buy it himself or have his lackeys buy it! Not sure how having that thing grade is any reason to brag, but I am happy for you! It was a sympathy grade from some grader, still laughing, that you sent it in!

You remember the original post that this coin was in. Everyone was saying oh it wont grade and all that. My point of sending it in was to prove the point that it WOULD in fact straight grade. Whether or not this is good for PCGS' image is another story.

messydesk · June 8, 2017 4:35PM

Nice luster for an AG.

basetsb · June 9, 2017 9:06AM

@messydesk said:
Nice luster for an AG.

The luster, fields, surfaces, strike....all pristine for a AG.

dbldie55 · June 9, 2017 1:35PM

@abcde12345 said:
Your coin should fetch $100. or more. There are registries that need this coin and why not? It's fun. Those who insist on making ackward posts are those who guess wrong or those who can't stand the idea that there are collectors who do this for the joy of it all. The loudest are usually those who have the least viable content.

What set registry needs this coin?

Elcontador · June 9, 2017 1:50PM

@CommemKing said:
I just don't understand the lowball crap. That's what it is, crap. That dime is worthless to me.

You could use it in a parking meter.

Boosibri · June 9, 2017 1:52PM

@FadeToBlack "I've probably handled more clad dimes than anybody here. Searched around 1000 boxes of dimes at $250 a box, that's a quarter million dollars worth of dimes that have run through my hands."

I hope you washed your hands...I'm not a germaphobe but you may have just touched every hand in America

toyz4geo · June 9, 2017 1:58PM

Agree with weak strike

DoubleJCoins · June 9, 2017 3:47PM

If only CAC reviewed these modern coins, they could settle the debate

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Wabbit2313 · June 9, 2017 4:55PM

@dbldie55 said:

@abcde12345 said:
Your coin should fetch $100. or more. There are registries that need this coin and why not? It's fun. Those who insist on making ackward posts are those who guess wrong or those who can't stand the idea that there are collectors who do this for the joy of it all. The loudest are usually those who have the least viable content.

What set registry needs this coin?

I was wondering the same thing. There are none on PCGS so not sure where this big money is going to flow from.

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