@abcde12345 said:
Your coin should fetch $100. or more. There are registries that need this coin and why not? It's fun. Those who insist on making ackward posts are those who guess wrong or those who can't stand the idea that there are collectors who do this for the joy of it all. The loudest are usually those who have the least viable content.
What set registry needs this coin?
I was wondering the same thing. There are none on PCGS so not sure where this big money is going to flow from.
From someone who wants the only 04 dime graded so low. These people exist.
@boyernumismatics said:
You seem to know little to nothing about toned coins. You're hiding behind a wall of hatred for something simply because you can't understand the multiple aspects that makes a coin MA or not. If I cared to waste my time showing people like you all of the reasons why the coins pictured (besides the obvious QC #1), you'd STILL run to the shade that is your closed- minded fallacy which you call "intelligence." Have a nice day and buh-bye.
I know little to nothing? I'm not the one who had four coins bagged for QC on one submission. Maybe you should drop the cocky attitude and be at least willing to consider the opinions of those who have been in the industry three times as long as you have been alive.
If only your intelligence level was on the par with your ignorance, maybe you would have a point to make...
@abcde12345 said:
Your coin should fetch $100. or more. There are registries that need this coin and why not? It's fun. Those who insist on making ackward posts are those who guess wrong or those who can't stand the idea that there are collectors who do this for the joy of it all. The loudest are usually those who have the least viable content.
What set registry needs this coin?
I was wondering the same thing. There are none on PCGS so not sure where this big money is going to flow from.
From someone who wants the only 04 dime graded so low. These people exist.
You are the same person as Boyer. This is your proof? In another thread you say you are brothers who buy all your coins together, but I doubt it.
@abcde12345 said:
Your coin should fetch $100. or more. There are registries that need this coin and why not? It's fun. Those who insist on making ackward posts are those who guess wrong or those who can't stand the idea that there are collectors who do this for the joy of it all. The loudest are usually those who have the least viable content.
What set registry needs this coin?
I was wondering the same thing. There are none on PCGS so not sure where this big money is going to flow from.
From someone who wants the only 04 dime graded so low. These people exist.
You are the same person as Boyer. This is your proof? In another thread you say you are brothers who buy all your coins together, but I doubt it.
lol, no I am not. We are brothers. I have nothing to prove to you.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
When the OP is the major voice in the thread and there is badgering and chest thumping involved it doesn't make for an event of the season especially when the subject coin is what it is. I commend the OP for being an opportunist as that's how I make a living but I would recommend being more stealth like. Just my opinion.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@boyernumismatics said:
You seem to know little to nothing about toned coins. You're hiding behind a wall of hatred for something simply because you can't understand the multiple aspects that makes a coin MA or not. If I cared to waste my time showing people like you all of the reasons why the coins pictured (besides the obvious QC #1), you'd STILL run to the shade that is your closed- minded fallacy which you call "intelligence." Have a nice day and buh-bye.
I know little to nothing? I'm not the one who had four coins bagged for QC on one submission. Maybe you should drop the cocky attitude and be at least willing to consider the opinions of those who have been in the industry three times as long as you have been alive.
If only your intelligence level was on the par with your ignorance, maybe you would have a point to make...
I like how you've pivoted from discussing the coins to just flat out insulting me. Here's a tip for you, when you can no longer discuss the merits of the argument at hand and stoop to insulting those on the other side of the the table, you know you've lost the argument. Stop taking it so personally.
Stay classy, Boyer.
What argument was there even to be had? You insult me, I insult you. You seem to me to be the type of person who will dish out what they cannot, in return, receive. Typical.
I sent this coin in for kicks in giggles along with a few coins I had laying around on my desk just to have them certified. One being that 1943 MS67FS nickel that i paid $5 for on eBay, so I made out pretty well there in terms on marginal profit. The fact that PCGS did not give this a details grade (or not slab it at all) like I thought they would in the back of my mind completely baffles me. I keep reiterating that this coin is NOT naturally worn. I sent it in honestly just to see what would happen.
We all send things in just for kicks. Do YOU not? Are you also the type of person who thinks PO01 coins are numismatically as well as metallurgically worth melt and send them to the smelter? There are groups of Numismatists, we just so happen to fall on opposite sides of the spectrum.
I've got errands to run and things to do. You all have a great day.
@Justacommeman said:
When the OP is the major voice in the thread and there is badgering and chest thumping involved it doesn't make for an event of the season especially when the subject coin is what it is...
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Yes, I actually agree.
My "event of the season" post above yours was just a sarcastic commentary on the many different threads over the years that have turned into long dramas.
Yet I often still end up reading them to see where they go. Mostly kept reading this discussion to see if it was possibly some kind of error coin. The June 8 post by ErrorsOnCoins of the die adjustment strike would seem to rule that out. And then I had to keep reading to see what all got hit in the various crossfire shots going back and forth (and to reach my unspoken judgmental judgment as to who is winning).
It is even potentially a useful thread for PCGS in regard to some "lowball" coins slipping by. And mostly harmless for the rest of us, unless a non-collector were to read this and realize how crazy we coin people can be (because the rest of the world is just so reasonable and sane).
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the sour pusses on this thread bid to win simply to return and leave scathing feedback. Collector just ain't happy if someone else enjoying the game is.
@abcde12345 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the sour pusses on this thread bid to win simply to return and leave scathing feedback. Collector just ain't happy if someone else enjoying the game is.
That's when I contact eBay and get their personal information banned from ever being used on eBay again.
@Zoins said:
Thanks for the link. At this point, I'm just curious to see what it sells for.
I think the doily label is an extra nice touch.
I thought so also. I included it on the entire sub per PCGS mandate. It looks especially nice on the 1943 P MS67FS 5c I landed. A buddy of mine sent in two expensive standers in the lot: 1921 VF20 et un 1923- S VF30. Those coins look ESPECIALLY nice in the doily. I'm actually tempted to send my beautiful 1825 Capped Half in to get a Doily Reholder.
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
I didn't say or link to the leading bidder. The link went to the SHILL right before the high bid. 100% bidder on 3 of your auctions. There are some really good self esteem books out there that would save a lot of time and money.
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
I didn't say or link to the leading bidder. The link went to the SHILL right before the high bid. 100% bidder on 3 of your auctions. There are some really good self esteem books out there that would save a lot of time and money.
If an auction is $.01 starting, don't we all shill bid to a certain point to help it get off? lol. Even if we are not 100% interested, the shill also helps us buyers know later down the line when the auction is ending by giving us a notification.
I love how much hate I am getting for proving a point that PCGS is not always on the ball......
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
I didn't say or link to the leading bidder. The link went to the SHILL right before the high bid. 100% bidder on 3 of your auctions. There are some really good self esteem books out there that would save a lot of time and money.
If an auction is $.01 starting, don't we all shill bid to a certain point to help it get off? lol. Even if we are not 100% interested, the shill also helps us buyers know later down the line when the auction is ending by giving us a notification.
Shilling is when a seller bids on their own auction or has someone bid for them. It's not when a buyer, unrelated to the seller, places a bid to track an auction or get it off the ground.
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
I didn't say or link to the leading bidder. The link went to the SHILL right before the high bid. 100% bidder on 3 of your auctions. There are some really good self esteem books out there that would save a lot of time and money.
If an auction is $.01 starting, don't we all shill bid to a certain point to help it get off? lol. Even if we are not 100% interested, the shill also helps us buyers know later down the line when the auction is ending by giving us a notification.
Shilling is when a seller bids on their own auction or has someone bid for them. It's not when a buyer, unrelated to the seller, places a bid to track an auction or get it off the ground.
How would someone bid on their own auctions? Like I was explaining to someone else, if I try and go bid on a family member's item or buy something even if the last name is the same as mine on eBay, I'll get a "You're too closely related to the seller's physical location or family" error. It's happened more than once, but it usually corrects itself after a little while or a contact to eBay.
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
I didn't say or link to the leading bidder. The link went to the SHILL right before the high bid. 100% bidder on 3 of your auctions. There are some really good self esteem books out there that would save a lot of time and money.
If an auction is $.01 starting, don't we all shill bid to a certain point to help it get off? lol. Even if we are not 100% interested, the shill also helps us buyers know later down the line when the auction is ending by giving us a notification.
Shilling is when a seller bids on their own auction or has someone bid for them. It's not when a buyer, unrelated to the seller, places a bid to track an auction or get it off the ground.
How would someone bid on their own auctions? Like I was explaining to someone else, if I try and go bid on a family member's item or buy something even if the last name is the same as mine on eBay, I'll get a "You're too closely related to the seller's physical location or family" error. It's happened more than once, but it usually corrects itself after a little while or a contact to eBay.
People can get pretty creative getting around computer rules. Just read the rules and do everything but that.
@UnclePennyBags said:
Our host is the real winner here.... They made $15 on an 8 cent dime
This is exactly how the non-collecting world see's it. The unknowledgeable world in coin collecting see's the 1913 V Nickel as having the value of only 5 cents! We knowing the true aspects of this coin. So we as collectors, could understand the value of the $5,000,000! Just because we know about this type of coin.
People will line up to see a 1913 V nickel in person. Who is going out of their way to see that? No offense meant to the OP.
Second and last coins were pulled from mint sets, so not QC, and the first one was from a cleaned slab, so I thought I would try again.
Unless you owned the original mint set since it was sold by the meant, it is meaningless that you pulled it from a mint set. It is easy to pop new coins in the double mint sets.
@lkeigwin said:
If the coin were sent in as a grade guarantee submission (which would be utterly hilarious) what are the chances PCGS would bodybag it as damaged and make a payout? How much would the payout be?
If it were sent is as a regrade what would the new grade likely be? A bodybag or a higher grade?
I'm not asserting any opinion about the coin. I just find these scenarios amusing.
Lance.
My best guess is they would keep the $25 guarantee fee and call it a mechanical error. lol
@lkeigwin said:
If the coin were sent in as a grade guarantee submission (which would be utterly hilarious) what are the chances PCGS would bodybag it as damaged and make a payout? How much would the payout be?
If it were sent is as a regrade what would the new grade likely be? A bodybag or a higher grade?
I'm not asserting any opinion about the coin. I just find these scenarios amusing.
Lance.
My best guess is they would keep the $25 guarantee fee and call it a mechanical error. lol
Mechanical "error" aka the dryer
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I got it's twin in change tonight from the grocery store self check out machine. I can't make out the last digit in the date. It weights 2.1 grams. The edges are very thin and it appears to be nearly half the thickness of a normal dime. The rims of a normal dime are what make this one appear half as thick as there are no rims left on this example.
I remember that dime in the op! We thought he had a chance at grading in the first forum and when the thread was started over on the US Coin forum it caused quite the discussion. Glad we could help get the ball rolling in getting that thing slabbed!
It's interesting that @jtlee321 has one as well. I'm now wondering if this is a special kind of natural, mechanical wear such as being used in a specific type of machine such as vending machine or meter.
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
I didn't say or link to the leading bidder. The link went to the SHILL right before the high bid. 100% bidder on 3 of your auctions. There are some really good self esteem books out there that would save a lot of time and money.
If an auction is $.01 starting, don't we all shill bid to a certain point to help it get off? lol. Even if we are not 100% interested, the shill also helps us buyers know later down the line when the auction is ending by giving us a notification.
I love how much hate I am getting for proving a point that PCGS is not always on the ball......
But you didn't prove anything. It's pretty well known everyone makes mistakes. Including PCGS. I can especially see them glossing over the coin in question.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Zoins said:
It's interesting that @jtlee321 has one as well. I now wondering if this is a special kind of natural, mechanical wear such as being used in a specific type of machine such as vending machine or meter.
I've seen similar wear resulting from coins being stuck in counting machines with the large metal plates that spin around before sorting the coins by denomination and depositing them into bags beneath the counting plates. I can't find a picture right now but if you've seen them clean or pull out a TD Bank Penny Arcade, that's what they look like.
But there's the debate- does that fall into natural wear, or damage?
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From someone who wants the only 04 dime graded so low. These people exist.
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If only your intelligence level was on the par with your ignorance, maybe you would have a point to make...
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Not getting it, was that coin sent to PCGS for the sole purpose of proving people wrong on an internet forum?
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You are the same person as Boyer. This is your proof? In another thread you say you are brothers who buy all your coins together, but I doubt it.
lol, no I am not. We are brothers. I have nothing to prove to you.
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+1 for posterity while I sit in a lonely shop somewhere in the midwest, while the real deals are going on in Long Beach. A wannabe traveller am I.
Wow. What a non event.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Seems it's the event of the season, at least on here for 3 days (until it returns for a repeat performance when it is sold).
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
When the OP is the major voice in the thread and there is badgering and chest thumping involved it doesn't make for an event of the season especially when the subject coin is what it is. I commend the OP for being an opportunist as that's how I make a living but I would recommend being more stealth like. Just my opinion.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
What argument was there even to be had? You insult me, I insult you. You seem to me to be the type of person who will dish out what they cannot, in return, receive. Typical.
I sent this coin in for kicks in giggles along with a few coins I had laying around on my desk just to have them certified. One being that 1943 MS67FS nickel that i paid $5 for on eBay, so I made out pretty well there in terms on marginal profit. The fact that PCGS did not give this a details grade (or not slab it at all) like I thought they would in the back of my mind completely baffles me. I keep reiterating that this coin is NOT naturally worn. I sent it in honestly just to see what would happen.
We all send things in just for kicks. Do YOU not? Are you also the type of person who thinks PO01 coins are numismatically as well as metallurgically worth melt and send them to the smelter? There are groups of Numismatists, we just so happen to fall on opposite sides of the spectrum.
I've got errands to run and things to do. You all have a great day.
P.S., the dime will be posted on ebay later today
"I keep reiterating that this coin is NOT naturally worn."
"P.S., the dime will be posted on ebay later today
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So YOU are going to sell a coin that is labeled as AG03 when YOU KNOW this coin is DAMAGED.
If you do not disclose this fact, it would seem kinda shady to me.
I have nothing useful to add, but this has been mildly entertaining.
Collector, occasional seller
sigh I'm only selling what's been graded by PCGS
I guess you have more to say.
If it came back as a 68 would you question the grade?
Well, you saw what would happen if you submitted it. Here are some things that could still happen if you list is as is on eBay:
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
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Yes, I actually agree.
My "event of the season" post above yours was just a sarcastic commentary on the many different threads over the years that have turned into long dramas.
Yet I often still end up reading them to see where they go. Mostly kept reading this discussion to see if it was possibly some kind of error coin. The June 8 post by ErrorsOnCoins of the die adjustment strike would seem to rule that out. And then I had to keep reading to see what all got hit in the various crossfire shots going back and forth (and to reach my unspoken judgmental judgment as to who is winning).
It is even potentially a useful thread for PCGS in regard to some "lowball" coins slipping by. And mostly harmless for the rest of us, unless a non-collector were to read this and realize how crazy we coin people can be (because the rest of the world is just so reasonable and sane).
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Weird. Here's the link for any interested parties: http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/272714693411?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the sour pusses on this thread bid to win simply to return and leave scathing feedback. Collector just ain't happy if someone else enjoying the game is.
That's when I contact eBay and get their personal information banned from ever being used on eBay again.
Thanks for the link. At this point, I'm just curious to see what it sells for.
I think the doily label is an extra nice touch.
I thought so also. I included it on the entire sub per PCGS mandate. It looks especially nice on the 1943 P MS67FS 5c I landed. A buddy of mine sent in two expensive standers in the lot: 1921 VF20 et un 1923- S VF30. Those coins look ESPECIALLY nice in the doily. I'm actually tempted to send my beautiful 1825 Capped Half in to get a Doily Reholder.
May the shilling begin! 100%
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=272714693411&bidtid=1831489884017&_trksid=p2471758.m4792
The leading bidder on the dime is not a shill bidder. I have a few return customers who follow my activity on ebay and monitor it closely ,since I DO have the lowball market cornered, and they want my stuff for their regestries. One of the bidders is one of those people.
It's too early on to call shill, but who knows, man.
I didn't say or link to the leading bidder. The link went to the SHILL right before the high bid. 100% bidder on 3 of your auctions. There are some really good self esteem books out there that would save a lot of time and money.
If an auction is $.01 starting, don't we all shill bid to a certain point to help it get off? lol. Even if we are not 100% interested, the shill also helps us buyers know later down the line when the auction is ending by giving us a notification.
I love how much hate I am getting for proving a point that PCGS is not always on the ball......
Shilling is when a seller bids on their own auction or has someone bid for them. It's not when a buyer, unrelated to the seller, places a bid to track an auction or get it off the ground.
How would someone bid on their own auctions? Like I was explaining to someone else, if I try and go bid on a family member's item or buy something even if the last name is the same as mine on eBay, I'll get a "You're too closely related to the seller's physical location or family" error. It's happened more than once, but it usually corrects itself after a little while or a contact to eBay.
People can get pretty creative getting around computer rules. Just read the rules and do everything but that.
Don't you think the 2004-D AG dime could be a science experiment? It is either that or it had a fight with a dryer.
No it wouldn't. People would argue the coin was artificially worn and would be using it to attack CAC... all over a piece of pocket change.
I think the thought is that CAC would not approve this.
CAC does review some modern coins including Double Die Lincoln Cents and Ikes.
People will line up to see a 1913 V nickel in person. Who is going out of their way to see that? No offense meant to the OP.
Unless you owned the original mint set since it was sold by the meant, it is meaningless that you pulled it from a mint set. It is easy to pop new coins in the double mint sets.
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I wonder what the payout offer would be on that one.
My best guess is they would keep the $25 guarantee fee and call it a mechanical error. lol
Mechanical "error" aka the dryer
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I got it's twin in change tonight from the grocery store self check out machine. I can't make out the last digit in the date. It weights 2.1 grams. The edges are very thin and it appears to be nearly half the thickness of a normal dime. The rims of a normal dime are what make this one appear half as thick as there are no rims left on this example.
I remember that dime in the op! We thought he had a chance at grading in the first forum and when the thread was started over on the US Coin forum it caused quite the discussion. Glad we could help get the ball rolling in getting that thing slabbed!
Surely this cant be called 'coin collecting'
I used to think the lowball phenomenon was amusing.....now it seems akin to bragging about your micropenis
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It's interesting that @jtlee321 has one as well. I'm now wondering if this is a special kind of natural, mechanical wear such as being used in a specific type of machine such as vending machine or meter.
Yep, this showed up on my daily ebay updates with "doily" in the title.
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But you didn't prove anything. It's pretty well known everyone makes mistakes. Including PCGS. I can especially see them glossing over the coin in question.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Sort of like lifted trucks, eh?
But there's the debate- does that fall into natural wear, or damage?