@Boosibri said: @spacehayduke I have lobbied Doug Winter to put this variety in as a distinct type in his next New Orleans book. Similar to the 1848-D/D.
Excellent, that would indeed raise its value............ There is probably 15 or so extant, maybe less.
Best, SH
I do think that white the mint mark position may be consistent on many coins, the dramatic prepunching of the "1" in the date and the "O/O" must be visible. like the 48-D/D, the die variety is not uncommon but only the EDS examples show the D/D and should be counted. Same for the O/O here I'd suggest.
@Insider2 said:
PS It will probably never happen but I wish numismatists would refer to normally well-circulated, basically clean, old surface, dark gold as something besides "dirty gold." A majority of the gold in this thread is NOT dirty.
yeah...the dirt was painted on by someone...NOT YOU...but you know about it cause you're an insider.
the idea of circulated gold getting darker over time in a bank vault or some other type of storage is ludicrous! but, the idea of someone painstakingly painting sludge onto the exact same high points of every coin is totally reasonable.
@ricko said: "What a great start to the day... lots of gorgeous old gold...."
And that's exactly what it is : Naturally colored "old gold."
@coinlieutenant said: "Bottom line, dirt is important, but many on here know the patterns, DOCTORING capabilities and other signs more than I do. "
So, it appears the TPGS athenticator who wrote the article is going to be correct. Apparently many OTHERS on this form probably know much more about dirt alterations than he does!
Anyone else wish to educate us about what they know?
@Boosibri said: @spacehayduke I have lobbied Doug Winter to put this variety in as a distinct type in his next New Orleans book. Similar to the 1848-D/D.
Excellent, that would indeed raise its value............ There is probably 15 or so extant, maybe less.
Best, SH
I do think that white the mint mark position may be consistent on many coins, the dramatic prepunching of the "1" in the date and the "O/O" must be visible. like the 48-D/D, the die variety is not uncommon but only the EDS examples show the D/D and should be counted. Same for the O/O here I'd suggest.
On every one where the images in Ha are good enough with that specific mintmark location, the dramatic repunch is there. So I am assuming that for the older low res images that have that specific mintmark location that the repunch is there too - we are talking 7 or 8 in their archives with that specific mintmark location. I suspect it was a little used die, so every one of the few extant is likely to be EDS.
Anyone know whose famous dirty old gold collection this is?? I think I need to start saving up!!!
"DWN has some exceptional offerings in the pipeline. First, we will be selling the Western Springs II collection, consisting of very choice, high-grade Draped Bust Right half eagles (all PCGS graded and nearly all with CAC approval). Then, we will be selling miscellaneous gold coins from a famous collection which is well-known for its emphasis on “dirty” original pieces."
@jonruns said:
Anyone know whose famous dirty old gold collection this is?? I think I need to start saving up!!!
"DWN has some exceptional offerings in the pipeline. First, we will be selling the Western Springs II collection, consisting of very choice, high-grade Draped Bust Right half eagles (all PCGS graded and nearly all with CAC approval). Then, we will be selling miscellaneous gold coins from a famous collection which is well-known for its emphasis on “dirty” original pieces."
I believe some of those $5 are exactly what I read about being "played with." A certain drug store product + some black residue and we have made some dirty gold. IMO, if a scientist/numismatist would scrap off the sticky black crud from coin's like this and have it analysed, it would kill the market in this "type" of surface debris. In truth, I really hope for everyone's sake it is never done.
I believe some of those $5 are exactly what I read about being "played with." A certain drug store product + some black residue and we have made some dirty gold. IMO, if a scientist/numismatist would scrap off the sticky black crud from coin's like this and have it analysed, it would kill the market in this "type" of surface debris. In truth, I really hope for everyone's sake it is never done.
First, they are $2 1/2, not $5, lol. But the debris looks almost exactly like the dirt that has accumulated on a few of my hardly ever used keys on my keychain.
I'll bet if it is ever analyzed it will be similar to the corrosion product formed over time when leather, and brass are in contact in a warm environment.
@jonruns said:
Anyone know whose famous dirty old gold collection this is?? I think I need to start saving up!!!
"DWN has some exceptional offerings in the pipeline. First, we will be selling the Western Springs II collection, consisting of very choice, high-grade Draped Bust Right half eagles (all PCGS graded and nearly all with CAC approval). Then, we will be selling miscellaneous gold coins from a famous collection which is well-known for its emphasis on “dirty” original pieces."
I for one am saving up my extra cash. Some of the "dirty original pieces" I have been fortunate to purchase from that collection can hopefully be reunited with absent comrades.
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Not super dirty but just some honest wear on a very tough coin with some bits of dirt thrown in.
Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia
Findley Ridge Collection
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@RYK I wish I could both agree and like your post, too bad.
Latin American Collection
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
love all the gold beans
If you've owned any of mine you must be older than the dirt on the coins...
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
I do think that white the mint mark position may be consistent on many coins, the dramatic prepunching of the "1" in the date and the "O/O" must be visible. like the 48-D/D, the die variety is not uncommon but only the EDS examples show the D/D and should be counted. Same for the O/O here I'd suggest.
Latin American Collection
yeah...the dirt was painted on by someone...NOT YOU...but you know about it cause you're an insider.
the idea of circulated gold getting darker over time in a bank vault or some other type of storage is ludicrous! but, the idea of someone painstakingly painting sludge onto the exact same high points of every coin is totally reasonable.
@ricko said: "What a great start to the day... lots of gorgeous old gold...."
And that's exactly what it is : Naturally colored "old gold."
@coinlieutenant said: "Bottom line, dirt is important, but many on here know the patterns, DOCTORING capabilities and other signs more than I do. "
So, it appears the TPGS athenticator who wrote the article is going to be correct. Apparently many OTHERS on this form probably know much more about dirt alterations than he does!
Anyone else wish to educate us about what they know?
Just got this one in today. I love the toning plus the die crack
Cool
Latin American Collection
On every one where the images in Ha are good enough with that specific mintmark location, the dramatic repunch is there. So I am assuming that for the older low res images that have that specific mintmark location that the repunch is there too - we are talking 7 or 8 in their archives with that specific mintmark location. I suspect it was a little used die, so every one of the few extant is likely to be EDS.
Best, SH
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United States: gold 5-dollar half-eagle, Liberty Head type, 1842-D (small date)
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Trifecta
That is one dirty Moffat for sure.
Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia
Findley Ridge Collection
About Findley Ridge
It takes a good gold thread or the "Circle of Trust" thread resurrection to bring @RYK out of hiding
Latin American Collection
I guess you would call this dirty.
Three pages of old gold.... fantastic..... Cheers, RickO
Happy Memorial Day bump.
Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia
Findley Ridge Collection
About Findley Ridge
@JJSingleton.... Nice '55 D dollar..... Cheers, RickO
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Just got this in today
@jwitten nice photo of the toning. those colors are legit to me. even some modern gold pandas do that same progression.
too bad it's not an 04-S
Coming on Saturday... maybe.....
More Georgia gold.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/liberty-head-2-1-gold-major-sets/liberty-head-2-1-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1840-1907-cac/alltimeset/268163
March of Time - 27 Centuries in Gold
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@jwitten... that is very nice DOG....Epitomizes the term.... Cheers, RickO
Did someone say dirty gold?
Not perfect but still cool
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Civil War crusty gold
Earlier crust gold.
Now, if only I had all the gold coins shown here, in my possession, right now...
Nirvana.... 
Cheers, RickO
Anyone know whose famous dirty old gold collection this is?? I think I need to start saving up!!!
"DWN has some exceptional offerings in the pipeline. First, we will be selling the Western Springs II collection, consisting of very choice, high-grade Draped Bust Right half eagles (all PCGS graded and nearly all with CAC approval). Then, we will be selling miscellaneous gold coins from a famous collection which is well-known for its emphasis on “dirty” original pieces."
Yes, I happen to be very close to this situation.
SPAM
Latin American Collection
@jwitten
I believe some of those $5 are exactly what I read about being "played with." A certain drug store product + some black residue and we have made some dirty gold. IMO, if a scientist/numismatist would scrap off the sticky black crud from coin's like this and have it analysed, it would kill the market in this "type" of surface debris. In truth, I really hope for everyone's sake it is never done.
First, they are $2 1/2, not $5, lol. But the debris looks almost exactly like the dirt that has accumulated on a few of my hardly ever used keys on my keychain.
I'll bet if it is ever analyzed it will be similar to the corrosion product formed over time when leather, and brass are in contact in a warm environment.
I for one am saving up my extra cash. Some of the "dirty original pieces" I have been fortunate to purchase from that collection can hopefully be reunited with absent comrades.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/liberty-head-2-1-gold-major-sets/liberty-head-2-1-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1840-1907-cac/alltimeset/268163
March of Time - 27 Centuries in Gold
https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinCustomSetView.aspx?s=36590
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