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Does anyone know if any other Trade Dollar dies exist? I just found two.
LostSisler
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I located an 1878 Proof Die and business strike die. Both obverses. Also an obverse 1878 Proof Quarter die.
Note the inaccurate label.
Note the inaccurate label.
Because to Err is Human.
I specialize in Errors, Minting, Counterfeit Detection & Grading.
Computer-aided grading, counterfeit detection, recognition and imaging.
I specialize in Errors, Minting, Counterfeit Detection & Grading.
Computer-aided grading, counterfeit detection, recognition and imaging.
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See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
The one, dollar die and the quarter die appear to be "improperly cleaned", unfortunately, unless they survived that long without acquiring any rust.
This type of cancellation mark appears to be consistent with other cancelled dies of the era.
And I don't see any obvious issues with incorrect design details or poor surface quality.
Are there any marks on the edge of the dies that denote where these dies were used/ intended to be used? Of course a Philadelphia Mint die would likely not have this.
I'm going to write something up and post it.
They're in a museum.
I specialize in Errors, Minting, Counterfeit Detection & Grading.
Computer-aided grading, counterfeit detection, recognition and imaging.
You guys would not beleive the provenance of these.
I'm going to write something up and post it.
They're in a museum.
Could the "museum" be the headquarters of the American Numismatic Association?
Steve
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You guys would not beleive the provenance of these.
I'm going to write something up and post it.
They're in a museum.
Could the "museum" be the headquarters of the American Numismatic Association?
Steve
If they are, I will be cancelling my ANA membership. Calling them "Mint Stamps" and mislabeling them as being $1.00 and $.50 would be too much idiocy for an organization that should know better.
-Paul
Looking forward to seeing the longer story.
I believe the proof dies were used in Phili but Phili didn't make any business strikes that year so the normal die is currently a mystery (there are no other marks. I'll be able to handle them next week).
The two shiny ones were not improperly cleaned. They're chromed at the mint.
Three additional photos.
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The two shiny ones were not improperly cleaned. They're chromed at the mint.
Ahh. That makes sense. I did not know that they chrome plated dies at that time. Hopefully the experts will get a chance to view these in person! I hope to hear more about these.
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The two shiny ones were not improperly cleaned. They're chromed at the mint.
Ahh. That makes sense. I did not know that they chrome plated dies at that time. Hopefully the experts will get a chance to view these in person! I hope to hear more about these.
Was chrome plating available at the time?
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They're in a tiny museum in the U.S. and have been there since the 1920's.
I believe the proof dies were used in Phili but Phili didn't make any business strikes that year so the normal die is currently a mystery (there are no other marks. I'll be able to handle them next week).
The two shiny ones were not improperly cleaned. They're chromed at the mint.
http://m.imgur.com/atgZ8vJ,POpSV88,cAHcQ5x">Three additional photos.
The supposed circulation strike Trade Dollar obverse die could have been a remainder for what could have been shipped to Carson City or San Francisco.
"You guys would not beleive the provenance of these.
I'm going to write something up and post it.
They're in a museum."
I'll take a WAG that a Philly Mint employee purchased them after they were defaced, and after passing away, the heirs donated them to the museum.
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The two shiny ones were not improperly cleaned. They're chromed at the mint.
Ahh. That makes sense. I did not know that they chrome plated dies at that time. Hopefully the experts will get a chance to view these in person! I hope to hear more about these.
Was chrome plating available at the time?
The first commercial chrome plating became available in 1924. The idea was patented much earlier with a French patent being granted in 1848.
I specialize in Errors, Minting, Counterfeit Detection & Grading.
Computer-aided grading, counterfeit detection, recognition and imaging.
Looking forward to the rest of the story.
HH
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Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
I've been researching this story since finding the dies. It will be published soon and I'll post a link here.
Thanks and looking forward to the read!
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
A great thread that can use an update!
Any news on these @LostSisler? I'd love to know more!
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Maybe, like the XFiles, he got too close to the truth....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Great post. Want to hear "the rest of the story".
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
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Let's hope they are not from China.
Did we ever get a publication out of this post?
I have never seen an additional post (either update or new) on this topic... Cheers, RickO