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  • BestGermanBestGerman Posts: 75 ✭✭✭

    Hi Currin, here's what I show for the pedigree on the 1908 $5 39100313:
    Heritage 11/2013:3869 (as PCGS PR66 25384006), $55,813.00 - HFW² Collection - Heritage 1/2020:4439 (as PCGS PR66 25348980), $52,800.00 - D.L. Hansen Collection (as PCGS PR66 39100313)

    Ron Guth, Chief Investigator
    The Numismatic Detective Agency

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Liberty Head Eagle Upgrade

    My last update was for the Half Eagle Set. Today’s is for the Eagle Set. As with the Liberty Head Half Eagles, the D.L. Hansen Collection has the PCGS registry #1 - Liberty Head $10 Gold Basic Circulation Strikes (1839-1908) Set. The set is 100% complete and features the 1839/8, Type of 1838, MS66 PCGS from the Gold Rush Collection. This near million dollar masterpiece has a 178 piece supporting cast including a least a half dozen other six figure coins. This is an extremely great set of Liberty Head Eagles while being the number one spot in the PCGS registry, but I would have to agree to the fact at this point in time, the Hansen set may not be the finest currently assembled. To my knowledge, the Hansen and Tyrant Sets have not been evaluated side-by-side. At this time, I would give a slight edge to the Tyrant Collection.

    The 179 piece set is described as: This long, long series stretches from the time when Abe Lincoln was less than 30 years old to the years when Teddy Roosevelt was in power. The set is filled with rarities, but there are no so-called "impossible" coins as are seen in many other series. The classic rarity is the famed 1875. This set involves three distinct types: the No Motto Covered Ear, the No Motto and the With Motto. A complete date set in any condition is a major numismatic accomplishment. Mr. Hansen has a PCGS Condition Census famed 1875 Eagle that is second only to his PCGS POP 1/0 1839/8 Specimen.

    You can see with the eagles as with the half eagles, The D.L. Hansen Collection holds first and fifth place spots on the PCGS all-time list. The other collections are ranked a little differently. Besides Mr. Hansen, the only other collector that made the top five for both half eagles and eagles was the Harry W. Bass. For eagle sets, the other top shelf collections were Bob Simpson and Ellen D. Collection (David Hall). With Louis Eliasberg dropping to number six, National Numismatic Collection could only muster eighth spot Liberty Head Eagles.

    The Hansen set will still have work to do before it can reach grade point average of 60.0. The set currently is setting at 59.12. The Hansen Liberty Head Eagle Collection has 13 PCGS POP1/0 Specimens, sole finest certified by PCGS. Another 31 coins are tied for PCGS finest. There are 134 (slightly less than 75%) of the set is PCGS Certified Condition Census Top Five. The quality of Mr. Hansen Liberty Head Half Eagle and Eagle sets are very comparable. The big difference is there are more PCGS POP 1/0 Specimens in the Half Eagle Set.

    1879-O Eagle PCGS MS60

    The new coin replaces an 1879-O AU58 Certification #81875414, POP 7/2. Doug Winter describes the coin as: The 1879-O has the second lowest mintage figure of any New Orleans eagle and the second lowest mintage figure for any gold coin struck at this mint. It is the third rarest New Orleans eagle in terms of overall rarity, trailing the 1883-O and the 1859-O. There was just a single example of this date in the Bass collection and many of the great gold sales of the past either lacked an 1879-O eagle or were represented by an off-quality piece. The 1879-O is the third rarest New Orleans eagle. Only four to five dozen are known from an original mintage figure of 1,500. About eighty percent of the survivors grade VF to EF and are characterized by densely abraded surfaces. A properly graded AU50 to AU53 is rare and an AU55 to AU58 is very rare. In Uncirculated, the 1879-O eagle is unique. In the TPG world of today, the coin is no longer unique. In PCGS Population Reports, there are a MS60 and MS61. In the NGC report, there are a MS60 and a pair of MS61. It must be stated when looking at these reports; there are resubmissions and crossovers that could inflate the numbers. It is generally considered that the NGC MS61 in the Tyrant Collection is the top specimen. The Ex: Morgan Collection of Branch Mint Gold is described in a Tyrant account as: A review of the photographs of the top known examples will confirm how head and shoulders the present coin (Tyrant) is in terms of quality and appeal, over any other known example. Simply stunning! The finest certified by PCGS is the Auction Record coin that appeared in Heritage Auction on 6/2014, lot 4868, realizing $88,125. On face value, this would place the Hansen Specimen somewhere in the top five and maybe as high as number three on the 1879-O eagle roster.

    The Hansen coin made its first appearance in a Stacks Bowers March 2017 Auction in an AU-58 PCGS holder with an old certification number 06584131, which is still active. In this sale, SBG states PCGS Population: 7; one finer. The appearance of the coin is described as: Handsome prooflike fields and frosty devices greet the viewer of this delightful near-Mint State example. The surfaces are primarily orange-gold with lighter yellow towards the peripheries, intermingled with pale blue highlights. The original mintage of 1,500 pieces was greatly reduced by time and attrition to perhaps 75 to 100 known today. This is one of the best to survive and is tied with six others at PCGS behind a single coin that has earned the grade of MS-61. One of the classic key dates to this challenging series and an important New Orleans Mint eagle. The coin realized $51,700.

    At some point, the coin was upgrade to MS60 POP 1/1 with a new certification number 34631147. Question to the community, is there a chart that matches certification numbers with the year? Moving on, the coin was recently purchased from New York Gold Mint in a private transaction. We don’t know the negotiate price, but we do know PCGS Price Guide values a coin in this grade at $80,000. I am not fond of MS60 coins, but coins of this rarity in higher grades place limits on what choices are available. I took a peek in the Hansen #2 set, and he has an AU58, CAC Approved Specimen. I wonder if that coin could be the best of the three. The top three 1879-O Eagles currently listed in the Hansen sets are:

    PCGS #1 Basic + MV Set – MS60, Certification #34631147
    PCGS #1 Basic Set - AU58, Certification #81875414
    PCGS #2 Basic Set - AU58, CAC Approved, Certification #05928644

    There could be lower graded specimens, but these three are the only ones that I could find listed in the Hansen sets. A couple days ago, I showed you the Liberty Head Half Eagle set. Today, you saw the Eagle set. The two sets require 380 coins. Also, you saw the Hansen #2 sets were All-Time Top Five in both series. Then you saw at least one coin was not two coins deep but three. I am careful not to speculate on just how many Liberty Head Eagles and Half Eagles in this private inventory. If I did, I would start with a number of 500 and go up from there. Amazing!

    Provenance: Rarities Night, (Stacks Bowers 3/2017), Lot 3119, (as PCGS AU58 PCGS 06584131), realized $51,700; Purchased in Private Transaction (New York Gold Mark, 1/2021).

    1879-O Eagle PCGS MS60
    PCGS POP 1/1
    Certification #34631147, PCGS #8685
    PCGS Value Guide: $80,000 / unknown

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just wow!

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2021 5:40PM

    I really do not see why that coin is not in a 66 or 67 holder........ Great candidate for a regrade.

    Except the upgrade % fee could be significant money. I am sure PCGS would love to upgrade that coin.

    OINK

  • UltraHighReliefUltraHighRelief Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's killer!

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With having duplicate sets, Hansen acts as a vacuum cleaner on the high end market. This makes me wonder if it has a depressing effect on fellow whales.

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:

    1 –Hansen Specimen, PR65 Deep Cameo PCGS, T. Harrison Garrett; Robert Garrett; John Work Garrett; Johns Hopkins University (Stack's, 3/1976), lot 399, as part of a complete six-piece proof set offered individually; Lisa L. Collection; Dr. Robert J. Loewinger Collection / FUN Signature (Heritage, 1/2007), lot 3136, realized $115,000; Baltimore Auction (Stack's, 3/2012), lot 4335, realized $109,250; Rosemont Signature (Heritage, 8/2013), lot 5884 (as PR65 Ultra Cameo NGC), realized $152,750 (Auction Record); Purchased in Private Transaction (LCR Coin 1/2021, as PR65DCAM PCGS), D.L. Hansen Collection

    Hi Ronnie,
    Unfortunately the pedigree is incorrect.
    It was brokered from Heritage Wholesale through DLRC to Mr. Hansen's collection...

    Thanks!

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:
    With having duplicate sets, Hansen acts as a vacuum cleaner on the high end market. This makes me wonder if it has a depressing effect on fellow whales.

    .

    Very good question. I discussed this at some point in past, but the question does present a little different twist. I agree Mr. Hansen is a vacuum cleaner on the high end market. But I would add, the high end market is really huge. At no point in time will all the high end coins be available, so market may not seem as big as it really is.

    I believe very high end coins are the condition census top five specimens, not just the POP 1/0. Mr. Hansen is not buying all of them. Most of his duplicates are not top five specimens. There are a few coins that he has two top five specimens, but overall not that many. Also, there are many specimens that are non-PCGS certified, and he is not buying at all. As I have said before, I think the high end market could support 3-4 more big whales that could attempt assembling a similar collection. I don’t know we will see one. Logistically, to duplicate what Hansen Collection has accomplished in 4.5 years would be hard without a great team of people.

    There may be other approaches to take. One could be the silent approach. Or the 25 year approach. How do we know that is not happening today? There are a lot of great coins that are out of sight, and have been for decades. I will close by saying, there are a few series that have the top coins all sucked up. It is not by Mr. Hansen alone, because in some cases he is just 3-4 in the current PCGS Registry. When this becomes wide spread in all the series, the high end market will then be vacuumed up by a group collectors.

    Personally, I don’t think that will happen as long as there are dealers and collectors assembling top end sets for the sole purpose to market. I think there will always be top end coins available, but may not be in the series that you collect. The advantage that Mr. Hansen has, he can just move on to opportunities in other series.

    Tidbit,
    I took a quick look at Mr. Hansen Mega-Set. For the 6278 coins, there are 1742 coins (28%) that either he does not have a top five specimen or no coin at all.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    I really do not see why that coin is not in a 66 or 67 holder........ Great candidate for a regrade.

    Except the upgrade % fee could be significant money. I am sure PCGS would love to upgrade that coin.

    OINK

    As gorgeous as it looks, the coin almost certainly has grade-limiting hairlines, which aren’t apparent in the images. That’s frequently the case with Proofs, which are virtually impossible to grade, based on images.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2021 2:12PM

    Fortunately you can have both types of photos!

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are Two Types of 1859 Proof Quarter Eagles

    I have been working on and off for several weeks on this posting. It started with the plan to post a new proof purchase from a Great Collection Sale (PR62 PCGS specimen). When I looked at the date, I discovery a good coin story could be told on the two proof types for the coin. The more I looked at the date; I felt that I remembered Mr. Hansen already had another specimen. I had difficulty confirming the second coin with my online research, so I reached out to John Brush. He replied: The 1859 is in the Hansen Collection as I sold it to him. The coin that he is confirming is a PF65DCAM PCGS Type II Specimen.

    Coin Facts information for this coin is confusing and incomplete at the best. This is one of the better descriptions that I could find. The 1859 is the first Proof Liberty quarter eagle for which the mintage was recorded by Mint personnel. It is also the highest mintage Proof quarter eagle produced up until that time. Both these facts are the result of Mint Director James Ross Snowden's decision to begin marketing Proof sets to the general public on a large scale, a plan put into practice beginning in 1858. The late 1850s saw the first major boom in coin collecting in the United States, and Snowden's efforts were undoubtedly intended to capitalize on that upswing in the hobby. In anticipation of records sales for the era, the Mint struck 80 Proofs of each of the gold denominations current in 1859, from the gold dollar through the double eagle. Such expectations proved wildly optimistic, however, and numismatic scholars agree that only a small percentage of these coins were actually distributed to contemporary collectors. The balance of the mintages were either destroyed through melting or (more likely) released into circulation. The net distribution of the Proof 1859 quarter eagle will probably never be known, but through research into the historic numismatic auction record and other sources, we are able to establish the total number of coins known today with reasonable accuracy. Interestingly, the survivors include examples of both known reverse hub types that the Philadelphia Mint used to strike circulation strike quarter eagles in 1859. The Type I Reverse (a.k.a. Old Reverse) is identifiable by large arrowheads that are close to the letters ICA in AMERICA, with the top two arrowheads touching. Conversely, the Type II Reverse (a.k.a. New Reverse) displays small, fully separated arrowheads that are distant from the letters ICA. The Type II Reverse is attributed to Chief Engraver James Barton Longacre, and by 1862 it had completely replaced the Type I Reverse for Philadelphia Mint quarter eagles. Information provided by Stacks Bowers Auction 8/2015

    Stated in a Stacks Bowers Auction, there are no more than 11 Proof 1859 quarter eagles of both reverse hub types extant. Three are impounded in the collections of the Smithsonian Institution, American Numismatic Society and the Royal Mint in London and, thus, are not available for private ownership. Of the 11 known specimens, only three are the Type II Reverse, including the ANS specimen. By compiling some online research from past auctions, I made an attempt to create a complete roster. I found sixteen documented auctions from the Eliasberg Sale in 1992 to present. As more information comes available, there could be some additional certainly to the specimens that are questionable.

    Type I – Old Reverse

    1) Trompeter – Bass Specimen, PR66CAM PCGS, F. C. C. Boyd; World's Greatest Collection Sale (Numismatic Gallery, 1/46), lot 127; Memorable Sale (Numismatic Gallery, 3/48), lot 118; Wolfson Sale (Stack's, 10/62), lot 179; Spring Sale (Stack's, 4/78), lot 805; Ed Trompeter; Ed Trompeter Collection Sale (Superior, 2/92), lot 39, realized $48,400; Orlando Sale (Superior, 8/92), lot 562; Baltimore Sale (Superior, 8/92), lot 851; Harry W. Bass, Jr. III Sale, (Bowers & Merena 5/2000), Lot 191, realized $48,300; The Kennywood Collection, (ANR 1/2005), lot 865, realized $75,900; ANA05 Platinum Night, Heritage 7/2005), 10323, realized $80,500.

    2) 1993-1996 Auction Specimen(s), PCGS PR66 Baltimore '93 Auction, (Superior Galleries 7/1993), lot 851, realized $41,800, FUN95 (Commodore Perry) Sale, (Bowers & Merena 1/1995), lot 1166, realized $30,800, ANA96 Sale, (Heritage, 8/1996), lot 8212, realized $36,300. Note: I cannot confirm the provenance of this coin or coins. It is very possible the specimen is the Trompeter – Bass Specimen.

    3) Smithsonian Specimen, PR64DCAM (est.), United States Mint; National Numismatic Collection in the Smithsonian Institute.

    4) Eliasberg Specimen, PR64 NGC, David S. Wilson Sale (S. H. Chapman, 3/07); John H. Clapp; Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr.; Louis E. Eliasberg, Jr.; United States Gold Coin Collection Sale (Bowers & Ruddy, 10/82), lot 186, realized $15,400, ; Dr. Jerry Buss Collection Sale (Superior, 1/85), lot 1714; H. W. Blevins Estate and George Bodway Collections Sale (Superior, 6/88), lot 6624, where it realized $19,800; (CSNS) Signature Sale, (Heritage 4/2002), lot 6894, realized $36,800.

    5) Pittman Specimen, John Jay Pittman; John Jay Pittman Collection Sale (Akers, 10/97), lot 834, as part of an 1859 proof set.

    6) The Royal Mint Museum Specimen, (Morton & Eden Ltd 3/2013), lot 609, realized $93,854 (Auction Record).

    7) Hansen Specimen, PR62 PCGS, Stanley Kesselman, sold privately on 4/5/1971, Harry W. Bass, Jr. II Sale, (Bowers & Merena 10/1999) lot 503, as PCGS PR62, realized $10,925; PCGS Set Registry/Yellowstone Collection of U.S. Gold Coins(Great Collections 10/2020), GC Item ID: 889792, as PCGS PR62CAM 40406024, realized $32,650, D.L. Hansen Collection

    8) Private Collection Specimen (per Stacks Bowers)

    Type II – New Reverse

    1) Hansen Specimen, PF65DCAM PCGS, William Cutler Atwater Sale (B. Max Mehl, 6/46), lot 1963, realized $70; Amon Carter Collection Sale (Stack's, 1/84), lot 553, realized $13,750; ANA U.S. Coins Sale, (Stack's Bowers 8/2015), lot 10212, realized $64,625; Purchased in Private Transaction (David Lawrence Rare Coins 11/2018).

    2) Reed Specimen, PR64 CAM NGC, Byron Reed; Omaha City Library; Byron Reed Collection Sale (Spink America, 10/96), lot 55, realized $35,300; Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature Auction (Heritage's 6/2015), lot 4202.

    3) ANS specimen J. P. Morgan; American Numismatic Society.

    At one point in time, the Reed Specimen was believed to be unique for a Proof 1859 quarter eagle of the Type II Reverse. (See the listing for this issue on page 120 of the 2008 reference Encyclopedia of U.S. Gold Coins: 1795-1933 by Jeff Garrett and Ron Guth.). As of today, there are three that are currently recognized and Mr. Hansen has the finest known of three. With the recent purchase from Great Collections, the D.L. Hansen Collection now has both types.

    1859 Proof Quarter Eagle, Type 1 - Old Rev., PR62CAM, Ex: Harry Bass Duplicate Specimen

    Bad news, the coin is at the bottom of the condition census roster, but good news, the roster is very short. I confirmed with help from Ron Guth, the coin is a Harry Bass duplicate that was offered in his Bass II sale in 1999.

    The appeared in a Great Collections Auction. In a press release, they described the sale as: GreatCollections is pleased to announce the auction of the Yellowstone Collection of U.S. Gold Coins scheduled for Sunday, October 4. The collection comprises over 100 certified coins and were mostly acquired from 2000 to 2008. The collection includes many rarities, some of which are universally known, including a key-date 1929 Indian Half Eagle, graded PCGS MS65. But some are much rarer and less recognized, such as the 1859 Liberty Quarter Eagle, graded PCGS PR62CAM. The whole collection is being auctioned unreserved, with bidding to commence at $1. GreatCollections has estimated the total value of the collection at well over $1 million.

    There was no other description given by Great Collection for the 1859 Proof Quarter Eagle. There was no mention of any connection to the Bass Collection. The Coin Facts information stated the PR62 PCGS grade specimen is pedigreed to Stanley Kesselman, sold privately on 4/5/1971 - Harry W. Bass, Jr. Collection - Bowers & Merena 10/1999:503, $10,925. The POP report has one PR62 and one PR62CAM specimen listed. I believe the two coins are the same. The coin realized $32,650 in the Great Collections sale. PCGS price guide does not give a value for the PR62 specimen.

    1859 Proof Quarter Eagle, Type II – New Rev., PF65DCAM PCGS, Ex: Atwater/Carter Specimen

    The rare of the two types is the Type II – New Reverse. This coin has been in the D.L. Hansen Collection for about two years, but has been living below the radar. It will not anymore. The issue with this coin is the coin number 534180 cannot be use in any of the registry sets. It appears to me, there is not a set that requires the Type II coin. The coin remains in inventory, but Mr, Hansen cannot do anything with it. At some point, I hope he can get this corrected by PCGS.

    For the community that has been following the thread, you know that William Cutter Atwater is one of my favorite early completest. Naturally, I was eager to see another one of his coins coming into the Hansen Collection. For Quarter Eagles, his collection started in 1859 and appears to be a complete proof run to 1915. In the B. Max Mehl description, he wrote or the 1862 Quarter Eagle: Extremely rare in proof. Recent record $75.00, but in my humble opinion these beautiful gold coins in brilliant proof condition are almost priceless and worth more than their present market. Priceless in 1946 resulted in $70.00!

    The next traceable appearance was the Amon Carter Sale in 1984. After this appearance, the coin will go about 35 years before it appears in auction again. At the ANA U.S. Coins Sale in August 2015, the coin was offered by Stack's Bowers Auctions. The coin was headlined as a Significant Type II Reverse, Exceedingly Rare Proof 1859 Liberty Quarter Eagle. It was described as: This exquisite coin is noteworthy for both its rarity and phenomenal eye appeal. Deeply mirrored fields support satin-textured devices with profound cameo contrast, as suggested by the DCAM designation from PCGS. Full, razor sharp definition characterizes the devices. Light golden-orange color is evenly distributed throughout and the surfaces readily uphold the coveted Gem grade. This is a lovely specimen, a coin whose technical and aesthetic qualities would elicit strong bids from specialists even if it were one of the more readily obtainable Proof Liberty quarter eagles. That it is an exceedingly rare 1859 is simply incredible, making it one of the most important Proof quarter eagles of any type that we have ever offered. The coin realized $64,625, Auction Record for Type Two. This is a big difference from 1946 when the coin realized $70 in the Atwater Sale. In 2018, the coin was purchased in a private transaction with David Lawrence Rare Coins. Presently, there is not a PCGS registry set that you can see the pair together, so I will show you the coins as a pair.

    1859 Proof Quarter Eagle, Type 1 - Old Rev., PR62CAM, Ex: Harry Bass Duplicate Specimen
    PR62CAM CERTIFICATION #40406024, PCGS #87885, PCGS POP 1/3

    1859 Proof Quarter Eagle, Type II – New Rev., PF65DCAM PCGS, Ex: Atwater/Carter Specimen
    PR65DCAM CERTIFICATION #28586097, PCGS #534180, PCGS POP 1/0

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Branch Mint Liberty Head Quarter Eagle Upgrade

    After spending this past couple weeks posting proof gold, I think it is a good time to switch up a little and post an old gold piece from a branch mint. What better branch mint is there for quarter eagles with that little “o”. When you have a mega-collection as the D.L. Hansen Collection, there are hundreds and maybe thousands of subsets. We will take a closer look at one of those subsets today. New Orleans Gold $2-1/2 Basic Circulation Strikes (1839-1857) set only requires 13 coins. The Hansen Collection has two complete sets. Let’s break down the top set.

    The top set has condition grade from AU58 to MS65. The two AUs are nice candidates for upgrades, although the 1845-O will not be an easy undertaking. Also, there are three coins outside the top five PCGS certified. The “worst” coin is the 1854-O MS61, POP 12/15. David Akers describes the coin as: This is a fairly common date, but most available specimens are well worn. Mr. Hansen should be able to find a nice top five replacement. The next coin that is one up from the bottom is the 1840-O AU58, POP 14/11. The coin is CAC Approved, but I am sure a better grade and appearance coin can be found. The third and last is a borderline top five at POP 9/5. The 1843-O MS63 “Large Date Variety” is the sole finest, there are five better specimens for the “Small Date Variety”. In fact, there is at least one GEM can be found in “Small Date Variety”. Hansen’s current “Small Date” is a MS61 which is not represented in the set below.

    The 13-piece set has four PCGS sole finest specimens, POP 1/0. Also, there is one other coin tied for finest. We discussed there are three coins not in top five, so that translate to 10 of the 13 dates are PCGS Top Five (77%). This is a truly beautiful little New Orleans Branch Mint set of Quarter Eagles.

    1851-O Quarter Eagle MS64, Sole Finest Certified by PCGS

    The new coin replaces an 1851-O, MS62 Certification #81690088, POP 8/5. David Akers describes the coin as: This date is not particularly scarce in lower grades but is very difficult to obtain in full mint state. One interesting variety of this date has a double date. The first date was punched sloping down to the right and then was only partially effaced before the date was punched into the proper position. To the best of my knowledge, The Hansen Collection has two mint state specimens, MS62 and MS64. Doug Winter commented: The mintage figure for this date is the second highest of any New Orleans quarter eagle. It is a much scarcer coin than the lower mintage 1845-O and is comparable to dates such as the 1850-O and 1852-O in high grades. The 1851-O is among the more common New Orleans quarter eagles, although it is scarcer than its relatively high mintage suggests. It is most easily found in VF and EF grades. It becomes scarce in the higher AU grades and is rare in Uncirculated. There are perhaps four or five Choice to Very Choice pieces known and a single Gem. I am not able to find out any additional information on the single GEM.

    The coin’s first appearance that I can trace was May 2007 Heritage sale. In PCGS auction history, this is the only appearance for a MS64 graded coin. According to the NGC POP report, there is one coin graded MS65 (also noted by Doug Winter), but it has never shown up in auction. There are no NGC graded MS64 specimens. There have been four times that an MS63 specimen have appeared in auction from 1993 to 2000. Two of the coins were from the Harry Bass Collection. Yes, he had two in his collection. I can rule one of them out by images. I cannot rule out the other Bass Specimen or coins in the other two auctions. Maybe one day, there may be an earlier trace for this coin.

    In the Heritage (CSNS) Signature Coin, the coin appeared as Near-Gem 1851-O Quarter Eagle Rarity, MS64 PCGS, Breen-6214, Doubled Date. Heritage described the date as: The date was first entered out of position, with remnants of a 51 below and left of the final position. While a common coin by O-mint standards, the 1851-O is an elusive issue in mint condition. There was mentioned of the GEM specimen: In fact, this appears to be the second finest coin known with only one piece certified higher, an NGC MS65. It is the finest certified by PCGS, and the only one at this grade level (4/07). The coin has stood the test of time for being PCGS sole finest for at least 14 years. It realized an Auction Record of $20,700. The record has also withstood the test of time, until a couple months ago.

    Heritage described the coin’s appearance as: The surfaces display the bright, satiny mint luster one would expect of an O-mint quarter eagle from this period--the obverse is brighter yellow-gold in color and the reverse is more subdued green-gold. The design details display the usual softness that is inherent to this issue with weak definition, especially on the eagle. The peripheral details, though, are surprisingly strong. There are no mentionable surface defects on either side of this exceptional Condition Census quarter eagle. I do not believe the coin has a CAC sticker.

    I discovered this coin when I was researching the Yellowstone Collection offered in October 2020 by Great Collection. I wrote on the collection a few days ago. The Hansen 1859 Proof Quarter Eagle was from this great collection. The 1851-O Quarter Eagle realized $27,690.75 with buyer fees (New Auction Record). This is a nice specimen that upgrades a very nice little collection of New Orleans Quarter Eagles. More to come I am sure.

    Provenance: CSNS Signature Coin Auction (Heritage 5/2007), Lot 2230, realized $20,700; Yellowstone Collection of U.S. Gold Coins (Great Collections 10/2020), GC Item ID: 889744, realized $27,690.75 (Auction Record), The D.L. Hansen Collection.

    1851-O Quarter Eagle MS64
    PCGS POP 1/0, Sole Finest by PCGS
    Certification #02735358, PCGS #7762
    PCGS Value Guide: $27,500 / Realized $27,690.75

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I wish him the best with his formidable goal.

    I am out of the loop - what is the goal?

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I wish him the best with his formidable goal.

    I am out of the loop - what is the goal?

    .

    One suggestion is to look back on my postings from 12/31/20 and 1/1/21 (one page back), and there is a pretty good description what drives this mega collection. For more details, there was a great article in Coin Review, Nov/Dec 1999. It is a good read if you what to learn more about history in the making.

    https://www.qgdigitalpublishing.com/publication/?i=629424

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you,

  • BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1886 Double Eagle MS63+ PL is a special coin. It is the finest of 3 graded by PCGS in mint state and the only PL example. It was previously in the impressive AWA collection.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @Currin said:

    1 –Hansen Specimen, PR65 Deep Cameo PCGS, T. Harrison Garrett; Robert Garrett; John Work Garrett; Johns Hopkins University (Stack's, 3/1976), lot 399, as part of a complete six-piece proof set offered individually; Lisa L. Collection; Dr. Robert J. Loewinger Collection / FUN Signature (Heritage, 1/2007), lot 3136, realized $115,000; Baltimore Auction (Stack's, 3/2012), lot 4335, realized $109,250; Rosemont Signature (Heritage, 8/2013), lot 5884 (as PR65 Ultra Cameo NGC), realized $152,750 (Auction Record); Purchased in Private Transaction (LCR Coin 1/2021, as PR65DCAM PCGS), D.L. Hansen Collection

    Hi Ronnie,
    Unfortunately the pedigree is incorrect.
    It was brokered from Heritage Wholesale through DLRC to Mr. Hansen's collection...

    Thanks!

    Umm does not Hansen own DLRC?

  • earlyAurumearlyAurum Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I posted something about the 4 Gold Proof 1895 coins up for auction last week I wondered if Hansen would go after any of them. That question was answered. All 4 ($2.5, $5, $10, $20) were amazing coins.

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    The 1895 was cheap. Nice coin. I would have purchased it as I love CAC Tens but I have the other one. I thought the 20 was cheap. If you look at records I believe that only 13 PR 65 Dcams
    CAC have ever sold. EVER. That is hard to fathom. Of course you could count the PR 66 Dcams non CAc as they are really 65's!

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @Currin said:

    1 –Hansen Specimen, PR65 Deep Cameo PCGS, T. Harrison Garrett; Robert Garrett; John Work Garrett; Johns Hopkins University (Stack's, 3/1976), lot 399, as part of a complete six-piece proof set offered individually; Lisa L. Collection; Dr. Robert J. Loewinger Collection / FUN Signature (Heritage, 1/2007), lot 3136, realized $115,000; Baltimore Auction (Stack's, 3/2012), lot 4335, realized $109,250; Rosemont Signature (Heritage, 8/2013), lot 5884 (as PR65 Ultra Cameo NGC), realized $152,750 (Auction Record); Purchased in Private Transaction (LCR Coin 1/2021, as PR65DCAM PCGS), D.L. Hansen Collection

    Hi Ronnie,
    Unfortunately the pedigree is incorrect.
    It was brokered from Heritage Wholesale through DLRC to Mr. Hansen's collection...

    Thanks!

    Umm does not Hansen own DLRC?

    He's my partner in the business.

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • earlyAurumearlyAurum Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

  • @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

    Well if you’d have gone one more bid I’d have nailed the price....

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

    Very nice pick Oliver. What’s your plans? Reassembling the 1834 proof set would be cool. Congradulations

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • @tradedollarnut said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

    Well if you’d have gone one more bid I’d have nailed the price....

    Yes you were close, not even I would have guessed that !

  • @Currin said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

    Very nice pick Oliver. What’s your plans? Reassembling the 1834 proof set would be cool. Congradulations

    really no plans, just wanted the coin. Will do a box of three :smile:

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @Currin said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

    Very nice pick Oliver. What’s your plans? Reassembling the 1834 proof set would be cool. Congradulations

    really no plans, just wanted the coin. Will do a box of three :smile:

    1838$10 and 1804$10 What’s the 3rd?

  • @tradedollarnut said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @Currin said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

    Very nice pick Oliver. What’s your plans? Reassembling the 1834 proof set would be cool. Congradulations

    really no plans, just wanted the coin. Will do a box of three :smile:

    1838$10 and 1804$10 What’s the 3rd?

    Dont know yet !

  • @tradedollarnut said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @Currin said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @earlyAurum said:
    Speaking of proof eagles. Did DLH pickup the 1804 ?

    No

    I certainly hope it was you Bruce.

    I was the underbidder. Oliver posted on Facebook that he bought it

    Yes I bought it and now I know the feeling of being the underbidder (on the Brasher).

    Very nice pick Oliver. What’s your plans? Reassembling the 1834 proof set would be cool. Congradulations

    really no plans, just wanted the coin. Will do a box of three :smile:

    1838$10 and 1804$10 What’s the 3rd?

    Was supposed to be the Brasher Dabloon.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone know who bought the Brasher?

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    Anyone know who bought the Brasher?

    Someone completely new to coins

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A new big fish!

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @Boosibri said:
    Anyone know who bought the Brasher?

    Someone completely new to coins

  • GoBustGoBust Posts: 591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice for Dell Loy to get a great price on a great coin. Congratulations!

  • well done !

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RD or RB? (Beautiful coin either way)

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 5:03AM

    All right I have no Idea who this Hansen guy is - I get it I was out of the loop for a decade+ and just jumped back in. I have a bunch of coins he needs/wants and what I wonder is that why I get calls from Heritage and emails all the time? - it is annoying - Why does he just not call? It is weird IMO. Most of mine are not for sale (I don't need the money) - but trades are possible - I also have on some moderns - all/most/some of the top POPS for certain coins but only publish 1. I also have some POP1's that are not important and not in sets - I just like to have them and would trade.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Contact John Brush @ DLRC

    @Clackamas1 said:
    All right I have no Idea who this Hansen guy is - I get it I was out of the loop for a decade+ and just jumped back in. I have a bunch of coins he needs/wants and what I wonder is that why I get calls from Heritage and emails all the time? - it is annoying - Why does he just not call? It is weird IMO. Most of mine are not for sale (I don't need the money) - but trades are possible - I also have on some moderns - all/most/some of the top POPS for certain coins but only publish 1. I also have some POP1's that are not important and not in sets - I just like to have them and would trade.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:
    All right I have no Idea who this Hansen guy is - I get it I was out of the loop for a decade+ and just jumped back in. I have a bunch of coins he needs/wants and what I wonder is that why I get calls from Heritage and emails all the time? - it is annoying - Why does he just not call? It is weird IMO. Most of mine are not for sale (I don't need the money) - but trades are possible - I also have on some moderns - all/most/some of the top POPS for certain coins but only publish 1. I also have some POP1's that are not important and not in sets - I just like to have them and would trade.

    @JBatDavidLawrence

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:
    All right I have no Idea who this Hansen guy is - I get it I was out of the loop for a decade+ and just jumped back in. I have a bunch of coins he needs/wants and what I wonder is that why I get calls from Heritage and emails all the time? - it is annoying - Why does he just not call? It is weird IMO. Most of mine are not for sale (I don't need the money) - but trades are possible - I also have on some moderns - all/most/some of the top POPS for certain coins but only publish 1. I also have some POP1's that are not important and not in sets - I just like to have them and would trade.

    Curious if you could list some of the coins you feel he needs. I believe Mr Hansen reads this thread and certainly John Brush does too.

  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am also very curios and would love to see a list of coins.

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