Show your Cap & Rays 8 Reales

YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭✭
edited April 5, 2018 2:35AM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

Show me your favorite Cap & Rays.

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  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 448 ✭✭✭

    Not an 8R, but a tougher 4R denomination. PCGS has certified just 10 cap & rays 4R's in MS, w/ 3 @ 62, 6 @ 63 and 1 @ 64. This is one of the 63 coins. It is also an overdate (1868/58) and overassayer (YF/PF). An ex-CRO coin.

    Jeff

  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 448 ✭✭✭

    My pair of 1871 8R. Chihuahua & Hermosillo mints. Both PCGS MS64.


    Jeff

  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 448 ✭✭✭

    Guadalajara (MS65) & Mexico City (MS64+) entries.


    Jeff

  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 448 ✭✭✭

    Wish I had a better image of this Durango mint 8R. This one doesn't capture the colors well. One of my favorites, PCGS MS65.

    Jeff

  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 448 ✭✭✭

    My Zacatecas entry. Final year for the cap & rays 8R. PCGS MS65.

    Jeff

  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2018 11:25AM

    8R 1892-Pi MR MS64 Pop 1/1

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭

    1891-Oa EN AU 58 Pop 1/0

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2018 11:38AM

    SOLD LISTED IN ERROR SORRY!

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2018 11:29AM

    8R 1894-Ho FG MS63 Pop 5/1

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭

    8R 1896-Go RS MS63 Pop 5/1

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭

    8R 1839-Go PJ AU55 Pop 1/3

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭

    8R 1893-Ga JS MS64 Pop 4/1

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭

    8R 1875-Ga MC MS64 Pop 4/1

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭

    8R 1892-Do JP MS61 Sole Mint State Example

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  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭✭

    George & Jeff,
    Thanks for the great photos of super coins!

    Yorkshireman
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  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:






    Brian,
    Nice. I almost bought the 1856 over date myself. I have long admired your 1863.
    Let me know if you ever want to sell it.

    Yorkshireman
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  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    OK, some special Cap and Ray Hooknecks:


    Hubbard and O'Harrow variety MO9/MR9B.


    Hubbard and O'Harrow variety N3 S6.


    Hubbard and O'Harrow variety F1 L11.


    Hubbard and O'Harrow variety MO12/MR12.

    And now the special ones:


    Very scarce Hookneck specimen from the Guanajuato Mint. According to Hubbard and O'Harrow, finding Guanajuato Hoooknecks with full Libertad is extremely difficult. Of the three mints that produced Hooknecks (Mexico City, Durango, and Guanajuato), Guanajuato is the least common. At the time of purchase, a search to Heritage website yielded only 3 coins for Guanajuato 1824, and this one was the only one not with a Details grade. Also, at the time of purchase, the NGC census listed 17 coins graded plus 6 with a details grade. Of those with numeric grade there are 5 at 45, 1 at 50, 3 at 55, and 1 at 62. However, as the NGC census follows the KM system instead of the Hubbard and O'Harrow system, it is difficult to know how many coins of the same type are listed. Hubbard and O'Harrow variety GO11 and GR11.

    ANd last but not least:


    Of all Hookneck coinage, Guanajuato 1825 is the most elusive. This coin is a nice example of the coinage representative of the type. At the time of purchase (January 2017) NGC has 4 coins in their census 1@F, 2@VF, 1@40), however, due to the multiple varieties known, it is difficult to know if even 2 of these coins are the same type or different one. Hubbard and O'Harrow variety GO10 and GR10.

    At the time of purchase Heritage had sold only 2 Hookneck 8 reales from Guanajuato 1825, this one, and an PCGS certified as XF details tooled. Apparently both are form the same variety, and none with a readable “Libertad” on the cap.

    While clearly these are not in as great shape as all those published before, these saw over 7 decades of circulation, so I think they are in great shape all things considered...

  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for sharing, Abuelo.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 7,024 ✭✭✭✭

    @Abuelo Those Guanajuato pieces are incredible - thank you for sharing! Do you keep a digital archive of Hooknecks that you come across for the scarcer issues?

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  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2018 3:35PM

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    @Abuelo Those Guanajuato pieces are incredible - thank you for sharing! Do you keep a digital archive of Hooknecks that you come across for the scarcer issues?

    Thanks. I do not have that many, but you can see here: https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/wcm/CoinCustomSetView.aspx?s=15999

    I am still hunting for the Go 1825/4 if you have one and want to sell :D

  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2018 10:51AM

    @Abuelo Grandfather I bow before your amazing collection! Those are incredible coins and show a singular collecting passion.

    @Boosibri amazing collection of another sort!

    And @cecropiamoth great coins from you as well!

    Kind regards,

    George

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  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Thank you @giorgio11

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2018 3:34AM

    Does anyone know why I’d post an ugly FINE12 Hookneck Cap & Rays in a thread with all these beautiful Caps & Rays 8 Reales?

    @pruebas said:

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2018 3:39AM

    @pruebas said:
    Does anyone know why I’d post an ugly FINE12 Hookneck Cap & Rays in a thread with all these beautiful Caps & Rays 8 Reales?

    Sure, Repulica... a true rarity. An amazing coin if you even want to sell it ;)

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2018 3:49AM

    @Abuelo good catch! Judging by all the beauties you posted, you’re a Hookneck specialist.

    For those who don’t know, this is the first major error of the Mexican Republic. The die sinker misspelled REPUBLICA as REPULICA. 6 or 7 known.

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    @pruebas Ha ha, just an "aficionado"...

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭

    @Abuelo said:
    @pruebas Ha ha, just an "aficionado"...

    Me too. I own all the Hookneck patterns in Hubbard-O’Harrow. Just had them certified by our hosts. I’ll post them soon.

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Wow, looking forward to see those @pruebas !

  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭

    Now you've got my (our) attention!

    Kind regards,

    George

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 7,024 ✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:

    @Abuelo said:
    @pruebas Ha ha, just an "aficionado"...

    Me too. I own all the Hookneck patterns in Hubbard-O’Harrow. Just had them certified by our hosts. I’ll post them soon.

    I know you said Hookneck, but I thought of you when I saw this pop in the population reports:

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2018 4:15PM

    @TwoKopeiki DosKopeiki ^ What the heck is that?

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  • gscoinsgscoins Posts: 88 ✭✭✭

    These are some amazing photos; they reinforce my views about the beauty of the Cap and Rays design. The 1896 Zacatecas coin may be the most beautiful of that type I have ever seen! (I looked at the certificate number; it's one of a very small number of MS 66 copies.)

    So, I am hoping to extend this thread in the hopes that others will post even more gorgeous photos. I will contribute a couple. This first is a 1839 Zacatecas MS 62 purchased from Karl Stephens. Not a high mint state grade, but the oldest of my Cap and Rays 8 R. and (somewhat to my surprise, a PopTop):

    The second is a 1878 Mexico City MS 64 with some pretty toning:

    As some of you know, there are only 3 coins at the top of the grading scale, at MS 66+. Two have photos available on the PCGS website (1895 Cn AM and 1891 Zs FZ). But there's no photo of the 1834 Go PJ, which (considering the date) is in incredible condition. If anybody here has that coin, it would be great if they could post a photo.

    And, more generally, please post some more pix.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:

    @pruebas said:

    @Abuelo said:
    @pruebas Ha ha, just an "aficionado"...

    Me too. I own all the Hookneck patterns in Hubbard-O’Harrow. Just had them certified by our hosts. I’ll post them soon.

    I know you said Hookneck, but I thought of you when I saw this pop in the population reports:

    Yeah, that one is mine too. Not real sure what it is. One idea is that it was a pattern for a coin to be issued for the Centennial in 1910. But Buttrey-Hubbard says it was from ~1887 because of the assayer's initials.

    Here are 4 of the 5 patterns from Hubbard-O'Harrow. The fifth one received a details grade and didn't show up in the pop report. They are all unique.

    This one is an 8E, not 8R:

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 7,024 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow. All are amazing, but that first one with the edge and dentils segments - just Wow!

    Also @pruebas even if it got a details grade it was most likely still imaged. Try looking up the certificate number.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 7,024 ✭✭✭✭

    I take that back - can't pick a favorite. They're all equally amazing.

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  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Oh my!!! @pruebas all of them are magnificent. While (to me) the 8 escudo is surreal, ALL of them are out of this world! Thanks for sharing!

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    You left me speechless @pruebas...

  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2018 6:35PM

    Me too. @pruebas I've never seen such an amazing assemblage ... well, not since the Partrick patterns, anyway ... different country. These blow me away (and that's not easily done)!

    Kind regards,

    George

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  • For the time being, the favourite of ones owned-
    Pi 1869 pop 1/0.
    Seeing the thread is a such a torture, though...amazing coins... :)

  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 448 ✭✭✭

    That's a pretty San Luis Potosi mint coin keyzer. Very attractive!!

    Jeff

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  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭

    A few of my favorites:

  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭

    And a few more with some Chinese flavor...

    And something a little different...

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