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Any chance this '94-O pulls an MS?

She arrived in Newport Beach yesterday and we should have an answer in 15 business days (or at least that is what is posted). Any chance she pulls an MS? I was told by a fellow collector that I should dip her to remove the funky obverse patina (he think something spilled on it) but I'm not convinced. I suppose if she returns "Unc-Details" I might consider it.
Here's a couple shots with varying light. Thoughts?



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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The short answer is, "No." That coin has both wear and light tarnish.

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like some high point rub. Nice AU 58!

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    TequilaDaveTequilaDave Posts: 271 ✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    The short answer is, "No." That coin has both wear and light tarnish.

    I thought the same, too. But the more I looked at it and the more I saw it still had cartwheels, the more it seemed like it had a fighting chance (maybe a 1 outta 4?). And I'm not sure what is worn dies vs. actual wear, 94-O's are notorious for poor and weak strikes. It's a shame I couldn't quite capture a decent "in hand" pic, but I suppose we'll have an answer in 14 days.
    As for "tarnish", isn't that just another word for patina?

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2018 3:14PM

    Zero chance imho.

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    TequilaDaveTequilaDave Posts: 271 ✭✭✭

    I hate to say this out loud but I found this Morgan in a lot of junk silver and paid a slight premium over melt....

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not even close! However, you got a great deal. The obverse already has been in a chemical of some kind. If it were mine, I would only lighten the obverse enough to remove the "chemical flow stain." Then sell it as an AU for $$$.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TequilaDave said:
    I hate to say this out loud but I found this Morgan in a lot of junk silver and paid a slight premium over melt....

    I love to read that, and this is why the hobby is so good. We just take our chances, and advantage of opportunities. Anyway that's me thinking out loud.

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU53, perhaps with details

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details, guaranteed. Needs something, like conservation; graders and the company in general is looking for a particular "look" to put in a straight holder. Compare to Coinfacts and auction images.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU Details. Maybe you get a straight AU grade if you dip it, but that color is not good. Congrats on picking it out of a junk bin, though. Still quite the score.

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    mirabelamirabela Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a great pull from a common date pile. Still, not mint state. Not a great strike, but better than some 94-O's.

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No chance at MS.

    When in doubt, don't.
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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU50/53, if it grades. A coin with this look is usually AT to try and hide a cleaning.

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    cupronikcupronik Posts: 773 ✭✭✭

    The coin is not "new."

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    BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think so.


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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No chance at MS, virtually the same chance at a straight grade.
    It has the look of a "Chloroxed" coin that was messed with after the original treatment to try and hide the bleaching, but it didn't help.
    If it were my coin I'd try to flip it and get rid of it and use the profit to buy something problem-free.
    I would not have added cost to the coin by slabbing it.
    Take your profit, dump and run.

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, I don't think so !!!

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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks cleaned and re-toned to me. You still got a good deal.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely not an MS coin... 50-53 range.... may get 'Genuine, details'....Be sure to let us know... Cheers, RickO

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