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1914 Cent Conundrum

Here is a PCGS 1914 MS 66RD Cent.

Here is a NGC MS66RD OH CAC

Why did the NGC fail to cross to a PCGS holder? I had hoped the CAC sticker made it a sure thing.



  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Spots maybe, the shoulder isn't as mark-free either. No reverse pics so not sure there.

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  • BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2017 8:05PM

    Failed to cross at grade?

    Edited for spell check.

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  • Yes, failed to cross at grade.

    Here is the reverse.

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gosh...mine's only a 65RD!

    Seriously, it's hard to grade from pictures.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Faint partial print above LIBERTY and spot by G of GOD along with light spot on right wheat probably held it back, although both coins are nice.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin said:
    Gosh...mine's only a 65RD!

    Seriously, it's hard to grade from pictures.

    Beautiful coin!

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The first image is not nearly as sharp as the second one, so I can't comment further.

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The strike is impressive. In my opinion, PCGS doesn't appear to put much value on strike as they do with color and luster. I would say the spots held it back from 66. My guess on your coin would be 65 maybe 65+. 66 I think is too generous with those spots.

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  • Thanks for everyone's comments. I had thought the CAC sticker would insure a 66. The first coin is poorly struck in my opinion and not deserving of a 66. The 65 by lkeigwin is a very nice coin.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone should write a book, "Going Mad With Copper."

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    thats super nice lance

  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭

    I prefer the NGC coin.

    Just as an aside, I've always found the 1914-P Lincoln Cent to be unusually tough to find in the RED designation. So I find the OP's cent is remarkable.

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  • WildIdeaWildIdea Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lots of coins don't cross at grade. Because you never get told why leaves you guessing and reaching for reasons or forming ones own conclusions. Disappointing, but not the end of the world. Maybe try again at a later date. Crack it out if you feel so strongly about it. Me, I'd be fine with it in the NGC holder. If it worth is a 5 in NGC holder or gets in a PC 5 holder same dif.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would be reluctant to grade an old Lincoln Cent MS-66, Red when it has obvious black spots. To me an MS-66 should leave one looking to find the defect, not have it jump out at you.

    I am not a big fan of the PCGS MS-66, Red either. In this case the coin has the color, no spots and few marks, but the die state and resulting strike leave the coin with a weak center. I would much rather have Ikeigwin’s MS-65.

    To me the “honor grades” which are MS-66 should have both preservation and strike going for them. The defects should be few and far between, and the coin should bring you pleasure every time you look at it. There should be no “yes, but” in the equation.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChristopherCoins....Welcome aboard.... Cheers, RickO

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