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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigzestee said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Bought some eagles today for $15. Might get more on Monday at $14.

    Great bargain to get under spot and without a premium.

    He has A Coin Shop. Maybe a walkin was desperate for cash.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @derryb said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @derryb said:
    massive debt has something to do with all demand. The cost of contracted highway repairs in Illinois is dropping as we speak.

    deleveraging: the process or practice of reducing the level of one's debt by rapidly selling one's assets.

    The best performing assets are the last to go. that would currently be equities and real estate.

    Could Illinois afford road repairs even if they were free?

    their 32% tax hike will fix a few more roads. . . for now.

    ...and burn a few bridges.

    I doubt they waste general tax revenues on roads. I bet if the populace in Illinois saw their budget, they'd rebel and have an uprising.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @bigzestee said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Bought some eagles today for $15. Might get more on Monday at $14.

    Great bargain to get under spot and without a premium.

    He has A Coin Shop. Maybe a walkin was desperate for cash.

    My advice was : " sir, this is the time for you to be buying and it's a terrible time to sell". So what is my fiduciary duty ? To speak truth as I experience it or how I believe ?

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @bigzestee said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Bought some eagles today for $15. Might get more on Monday at $14.

    Great bargain to get under spot and without a premium.

    He has A Coin Shop. Maybe a walkin was desperate for cash.

    My advice was : " sir, this is the time for you to be buying and it's a terrible time to sell". So what is my fiduciary duty ? To speak truth as I experience it or how I believe ?

    IMO, you have no fiduciary duty to someone who just walks in thru the door. It's not unusual for shop owners to offer below spot for ASE, esp. if there is a glut of them on the market. No idea what transpired other than someone walked in wanting to sell ASEs.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • bigzesteebigzestee Posts: 129 ✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @bigzestee said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Bought some eagles today for $15. Might get more on Monday at $14.

    Great bargain to get under spot and without a premium.

    He has A Coin Shop. Maybe a walkin was desperate for cash.

    I know he has a shop but it's still a great bargain to buy them for $15.

    BST references several

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigzestee said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @bigzestee said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Bought some eagles today for $15. Might get more on Monday at $14.

    Great bargain to get under spot and without a premium.

    He has A Coin Shop. Maybe a walkin was desperate for cash.

    I know he has a shop but it's still a great bargain to buy them for $15.

    Agreed.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it gets old buying when there aren't buyers walking in after.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    it gets old buying when there aren't buyers walking in after.

    Nothing better than having a bunch of low cost inventory that nobody wants. ;)

    theknowitalltroll;
  • DeepCoinDeepCoin Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭

    I would really like to buy some gold (for collecting purposes mainly), but with a rising interest rate environment, full employment and a stable, but slowly growing economy, I think I have to wait until it hits $1,000, maybe even $900.

    Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeepCoin said:
    I would really like to buy some gold (for collecting purposes mainly), but with a rising interest rate environment, full employment and a stable, but slowly growing economy, I think I have to wait until it hits $1,000, maybe even $900.

    Using those fundamentals you shouldn't be waiting. I personally believe the full employment/stable economy is fake news.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I personally believe "the economy" is a fake concept

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Referring to the Economy or the Job Market of the United States is like talking about the country's Terrain or Climate (or populace)

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @DeepCoin said:
    I would really like to buy some gold (for collecting purposes mainly), but with a rising interest rate environment, full employment and a stable, but slowly growing economy, I think I have to wait until it hits $1,000, maybe even $900.

    Using those fundamentals you shouldn't be waiting. I personally believe the full employment/stable economy is fake news.

    I'm surprised to hear you think this derryb, as you live in and near and surrounded by some of the fastest growing areas in the US.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Baley said:
    Referring to the Economy or the Job Market of the United States is like talking about the country's Terrain or Climate (or populace)

    Generally speaking, the steeper the terrain and colder the climate, the lesser the populace. However, on weekends and holidays in these areas the population can swell and the economy is quite good.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ah, well played! And the good deals are often weekdays and off season months

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Baley said:
    Ah, well played! And the good deals are often weekdays and off season months

    So the prices are cheaper when there is less demand?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some supplies exceed some demand, and so it is with precious metal. It's not so precious. God knows whoever started that rumor. LOL

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeepCoin said:
    " I would really like to buy some gold (for collecting purposes mainly), AND with a rising interest rate environment, full employment and a stable, but slowly growing economy, I think I SHOULD NOT wait until it hits $1,000, maybe even $900.... "

    .... because waiting only makes me say, later: " I wish I would have bought it when it was in the valley and not at the peak"

    That's my opinion on trying to "fix" this ( for me, to suit me) so that I can be in agreement with and not opposed to.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    metals will not initially rise above the coming carnage. Oil will lead the decline.

    I think derryb just called the bottom in oil.

    ;)

    Mark crude currently at 44.50. Carnage on the horizon.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/B58056EA-7156-11E7-B9C1-A6E503041C02#ampshare=http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-oil-prices-scored-their-biggest-one-day-rally-of-2017-2017-07-25

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    oil will lead the carnage.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2017 2:56AM

    @derryb said:
    oil will lead the carnage.

    Still waiting on this definition of carnage.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    oil will lead the carnage.

    Still waiting on this definition of carnage.

    Chipotle Mexican grill

    theknowitalltroll;
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    oil will lead the carnage.

    Still waiting on this definition of carnage.

    Chipotle Mexican grill

    I ate there once. Once.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Picked up silver at $.25 over spot yesterday at the ANA show in Denver. The mint was under heavy guard. Probably because they are charging 30% over spot.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where is the floor ?

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2017 9:55AM

    @derryb said:
    oil will lead the carnage.

    I realize that part of the increase in the price of oil ($.40 gal) in the last 2 weeks is because of Irma. However, I do not see your anticipated carnage in the immediate future. I'll give your credit for your accurate call on Silver about a month ago, so far, right on the spot.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a customer who's probably not happy he could have purchased for less this week than last. Have a potential customer who said yesterday, he's in for sure , when silver hits $16. I'm not getting much help here.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone's ears popping ?

  • tneigtneig Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭

    Looks like very familiar swings throughout this year and expect more of the same if not a few higher peaks. I was selling some dead metal off on this last upswing and will resume on the next. Glad to have a rest.

    COA
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2017 1:02PM

    .> @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    metals will not initially rise above the coming carnage. Oil will lead the decline.

    I think derryb just called the bottom in oil.

    ;)

    Oil never traded lower after July 7. It has since rallied 18%. This is so easy when one knows what to look for. Thank you derryb. :)

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    I have a customer who's probably not happy he could have purchased for less this week than last. Have a potential customer who said yesterday, he's in for sure , when silver hits $16. I'm not getting much help here.

    I'm never happy when I find out after the fact that I could have bought for less or sold for more. Tis what ittis.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lower isn't a bad thing. It's a gift. Like gas prices. So, it went lower until it went higher.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Lower isn't a bad thing. It's a gift. Like gas prices. So, it went lower until it went higher.

    Not if you made your purchases from 2011 to 2013. Human nature being what it is, I suspect some or perhaps a majority, are still praying for a turnaround and are not interested in dips. B)

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Lower isn't a bad thing. It's a gift. Like gas prices. So, it went lower until it went higher.

    Not if you made your purchases from 2011 to 2013. Human nature being what it is, I suspect some or perhaps a majority, are still praying for a turnaround and are not interested in dips. B)

    I probably purchased more stocks because of that same "frenzy".... then after the pain threshold was beyond my level , sold for a loss..., but who can afford to gamble that much ? Stocks are a long term investment. Metal is just a small hedge against a complete failure of the system. Silver / Gold / Corn / Oil.... it's all the same.
    Buy beans ! You know ? Don't take the advice, just process the information and make what moves suit you, when you make them. I've made more mistakes than anyone I know.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Lower isn't a bad thing. It's a gift. Like gas prices. So, it went lower until it went higher.

    Not if you made your purchases from 2011 to 2013. Human nature being what it is, I suspect some or perhaps a majority, are still praying for a turnaround and are not interested in dips. B)

    Lost prices or value we can usually get back...however we can never recoup time.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Speaking of time, how long befor PD catches up to Gold ? I see it's surpassed platinum now.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm finding it harder and harder not to buy some more platinum.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    I'm finding it harder and harder not to buy some more platinum.

    Ask yourself why it should go higher.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2017 4:22AM

    @cohodk said:

    @jmski52 said:
    I'm finding it harder and harder not to buy some more platinum.

    Ask yourself why it should go higher.

    A rising tide floats all boats ? It's a question not an answer.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My platinum order ships from Apmex today! :)

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think enough is enough.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ask yourself why it should go higher.

    Because it's still used in industry and because the economy hasn't wound down to a dead stop like I thought it might.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    Ask yourself why it should go higher.

    Because it's still used in industry and because the economy hasn't wound down to a dead stop like I thought it might.

    You're in good company ... All PM's are down from the above chart from 10/12.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 26, 2017 11:28AM


    Wouldn’t you know ? Just when I think it’s hit the floor.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It will turn around when least expected.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    Ask yourself why it should go higher.

    Because it's still used in industry and because the economy hasn't wound down to a dead stop like I thought it might.

    Economy have never wound down to a dead stop.

    Re palladium. ...there is are many more factors in price than just "it has use".

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Re palladium..........I wouldn't buy it even with cohodk's money! B)

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Back up the truck.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2017 6:49AM

    If we aren’t near the bottom.... it is close.

    Here is the ten year chart on silver.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    100

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