@Dell - I encourage you to post pictures of your favorite new acquisitions here! Also, can we please honor the previous collector by spelling his name correctly? It is Eliasberg.
He sold his Gold in 1982 and copper and silver in 1996 and 1997.
Did you get the original Eliasberg auction catalogues ? I bought them myself on eBay some years ago.
He has build an absolutely amazing collection, I also have a few coins ex Eliasberg.
Garrett had an amazing collection too. Unbelievable cons there, like the 1792 patterns and Brasher Doubloons.
And then there is Bass with amazing Gold in the foundation, I hope his collection will come up for sale in 2020 when the loan to the ANA ends. You can see the coins online.
Dell Loy @Dell best wishes for a happy holiday. Open invite to stop bye the FUN show and talk Coins. You are completely correct that the Best coins are just being held by the folks that love their niche. Jon
The double eagles look great, also seems like he upgraded a lot of coins recently. It for sure is going into the right direction to open a great museum here.
Boy I'm surprised at the candid info in Legends market report. I don't thing I ever seen or heard any dealer comment on their business situation like that. I believe the coin business is on the edge of a big change.
2018 will be an interesting year for coin collecting.
Bob
Past transactions with: Lordmarcovan, WTCG, YogiBerraFan, Phoenin21, LindeDad, Coll3ctor, blue594, robkoll, Mike Dixon, BloodMan, Flakthat and others.
Just finished a TD Set I've been working on for a few years - See MnS set on the PCGS registry.
Also, I recently put together a paper in the Gobrecht Journal's last edition on the rarity of SDs - update of Bowers 1993 work; my set is the centerfold. FYI, a portion of my SD collection can be found at: http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/openregistry/index.php
He is down to just 40 Coins needed. It was around 65 first of the year. He has added about 25 and a boat load of upgrades. At this rate, he should be down to the two show stoppers by Christmas.
I was just working on a few updates for Mr. Hansen yesterday. We're actually down to about 35 coins, but there are some updates that aren't reflecting on the Eliasberg set just yet. We'll keep pushing these along and hope to get down to single digits soon!
That being said, if you have any hole-fillers in the set that you're looking to sell, please feel free to shoot me a PM or email!
John Brush President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com email: John@davidlawrence.com 2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
I’m a little bit mystified since I can’t find the set that Eliasberg actually completed...complete US coin set in either circulation strike or proof. All I see is just circ strikes, just proof or every proof AND circuit strike.
If he does the last one, then IMO he will have exceeded Eliasberg.
Eliasberg completed a complete set of every date and mint mark of US coins.
He had some dates only in proof and some only in circ, not both a circ strike and proof.
So technically he had neither a complete circ strike set or a complete set of proofs.
The sets listed for him in the registry are for complete circ sets with an assumed grade for the coins he only had a proof.
Hansen appears to building a set of all US coins circ, proof, date, mint mark and variety and in a PCGS holder.
So he probably overtime will have a more encompassing set of coins, but may never equal having 100% of every date an mint mark. 1870-s $3 and 1933 $20 might be a challenge or maybe not.
IMO, Pcgs should have a complete US coin set that allows either circ strike or proof and put in what Eliasberg actually had so we can readily observe what will be a monumental accomplishment
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
@sarikanair said:
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
I think its great to see someone compile such a beautiful, top notch set. However, i agree with you that it takes away from it (in my opinion) when its just a matter of time and money. If you can afford to have top dealers on the hunt for coins you need and money is no object - anything is possible.
Update. As predicted by a poster a couple days ago, the set is down to 35. Some really great gold coins were added. If he can get the 1822, it will be an unbelievable half eagle set.
@sarikanair said:
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
I think its great to see someone compile such a beautiful, top notch set. However, i agree with you that it takes away from it (in my opinion) when its just a matter of time and money. If you can afford to have top dealers on the hunt for coins you need and money is no object - anything is possible.
You can have Jeff Bezos' kinda of money and still not finish this set, because some rare coins are just not available...for any price.
BTW, does he have the 1894-S Barber, 1913 Nickel, or an 1804 Dollar?
TDN. I agree. I wish PCGS would fix the set to show the 4 additional CS that are missing. But they won’t. My experience, they never do. By the way TDN, don’t forget the StG set opens tonight. Good Luck.
@sarikanair said:
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
I think its great to see someone compile such a beautiful, top notch set. However, i agree with you that it takes away from it (in my opinion) when its just a matter of time and money. If you can afford to have top dealers on the hunt for coins you need and money is no object - anything is possible.
You can have Jeff Bezos' kinda of money and still not finish this set, because some rare coins are just not available...for any price.
BTW, does he have the 1894-S Barber, 1913 Nickel, or an 1804 Dollar?
So clearly coins that aren't available - wouldn't be ones that I would expect anyone to be able to get. You can disagree, which is why its great that we can all have our own opinions. Being able to drop any amount of money on any coin that comes up is a fantastic luxury to have, and I wish I had it, but it makes doing something like this much easier.
@sarikanair said:
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
I think its great to see someone compile such a beautiful, top notch set. However, i agree with you that it takes away from it (in my opinion) when its just a matter of time and money. If you can afford to have top dealers on the hunt for coins you need and money is no object - anything is possible.
You can have Jeff Bezos' kinda of money and still not finish this set, because some rare coins are just not available...for any price.
BTW, does he have the 1894-S Barber, 1913 Nickel, or an 1804 Dollar?
So clearly coins that aren't available - wouldn't be ones that I would expect anyone to be able to get. You can disagree, which is why its great that we can all have our own opinions. Being able to drop any amount of money on any coin that comes up is a fantastic luxury to have, and I wish I had it, but it makes doing something like this much easier.
Obviously when Hansen gets down to needing 10 coins or less, these coins won't be the ones with pops in the millions. They will probably be coins that have pops of less than 20 specimens total. The 1913 Nickel has 5, of which 2 are in Museums, 1 is very low grade, and that leaves 2. Are they for sale? The current owners are probably Millionaires and couldn't care less how much money Hansen throws at them. Then again they might. Time will tell.
The listing at the moment (Circulation Strikes list) says he is missing an 1844 half dime as well.
Easier to find than an 1802 or 1865!
But of course finding one of the several MS-67 1844 half dimes could be difficult.
Eliasberg's 1844 was slabbed as PCGS MS-65, as of 2003.
So maybe that is one of the 5 recent updates that John Brush mentioned.
Mvs7.. these are some of Coins that Eliasberg is missing. Are you saying they were not recognized as needed? Why?
1841 10c
1870 10c
1818 $5
1825 $5
1828 $5
1831$5
@sarikanair said:
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
I think its great to see someone compile such a beautiful, top notch set. However, i agree with you that it takes away from it (in my opinion) when its just a matter of time and money. If you can afford to have top dealers on the hunt for coins you need and money is no object - anything is possible.
You can have Jeff Bezos' kinda of money and still not finish this set, because some rare coins are just not available...for any price.
BTW, does he have the 1894-S Barber, 1913 Nickel, or an 1804 Dollar?
So clearly coins that aren't available - wouldn't be ones that I would expect anyone to be able to get. You can disagree, which is why its great that we can all have our own opinions. Being able to drop any amount of money on any coin that comes up is a fantastic luxury to have, and I wish I had it, but it makes doing something like this much easier.
Obviously when Hansen gets down to needing 10 coins or less, these coins won't be the ones with pops in the millions. They will probably be coins that have pops of less than 20 specimens total. The 1913 Nickel has 5, of which 2 are in Museums, 1 is very low grade, and that leaves 2. Are they for sale? The current owners are probably Millionaires and couldn't care less how much money Hansen throws at them. Then again they might. Time will tell.
The 1913 Liberty Nickel is not required in his set's. Not sure if a PR63 is considered very low grade (it sold for over 3 million), but that is the lowest graded example in public hands. (the Olsen PR64 and Eliasberg PR66 are the others)
Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
The early halves are still missing the 1817/4 key and the 1812/1 large 8 semi-key, unless they just haven't been posted as yet. The breadth and depth of the set is mind blowing and unimaginable from my vantage point. I did not imagine anything close to Eliasberg could be achieved ever again, not even remotely close. I really admire what Del has been doing and find it truly historic. Congratulations on the progress Del and enjoy the fun of the hunt!
@sarikanair said:
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
I posted earlier in this thread about this. I disagree "that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection" and the REAL challenge is doing so on a minimal budget. Building a great collection based upon a minimal budget or a big budget is always a challenge. There are a ton of high priced overgraded coins out there for people with deep pockets. Whatever budget you are on there is no substitution for experience, education, patience, and decision making. Of course having a huge budget is an enoromous help but it also opens up traps and options that one need not worry about with a small budget.
As I said earlier, it is one thing to have a lot of money but it is another thing to actually pull the trigger and try to not only to collect one of every coin but to get better examples than Eliasberg. Regardless of your worth it is not "easy" to put $200 million dollars plus into coins. It is like when people say I would be good at golf if I had more time or took lessons. Well, maybe you would be or maybe you wouldn't. Part of being great at anything is actually doing it---Hansen is actually doing it by trying to surpass Eliasberg. Rather than dismiss this endeavor, he should be congratulated.
Perhaps DLRC can create the full list on their site and publish updates publicly as they are made. I agree that this could be used for lots of great publicity for the hobby.
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@Dell - I encourage you to post pictures of your favorite new acquisitions here! Also, can we please honor the previous collector by spelling his name correctly? It is Eliasberg.
Hi Dell Loy, its Eliasberg, not Eliasburg.
He sold his Gold in 1982 and copper and silver in 1996 and 1997.
Did you get the original Eliasberg auction catalogues ? I bought them myself on eBay some years ago.
He has build an absolutely amazing collection, I also have a few coins ex Eliasberg.
Garrett had an amazing collection too. Unbelievable cons there, like the 1792 patterns and Brasher Doubloons.
And then there is Bass with amazing Gold in the foundation, I hope his collection will come up for sale in 2020 when the loan to the ANA ends. You can see the coins online.
Best
Oliver
It took eliasberg a life time and a purchase of another lifetime collection to build his. Dell Loy started last July 2016 and now needs only 87 coins!
From the little I can guess, his collection is worth MORE then Pogue was. Only Simpson has a more valuable collection.
Now that is impressive
Guess there are replacements for Gardner, Pogue, and Newman out there.
Dell,
Nice of you to stop by again. I'd love to hear more about your philosophy toward collecting and what led you to such a fun (and ambitious) endeavor.
A couple of comments; the Boyd Specimen I own in the 2nd worst, not the worst
And I am both in Ohio and Florida....just a bit more time in the warm weather.
Merry Christmas to all.
So what big stoppers are remaining?
Merry Christmas
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
The real mind blowing part of his collection is the double eagles, the 57-o in 63 and the 79-o in 62 are nuts.
The 27d and 70cc not to mention the 54 & 56-o are simply nuts
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
There have been so many collections mentioned in this thread, who's collection are you referring to? Thanks...
Dell Loy @Dell best wishes for a happy holiday. Open invite to stop bye the FUN show and talk Coins. You are completely correct that the Best coins are just being held by the folks that love their niche. Jon
It's way worse for me.
Most of the quality in my posts were the smilies.
Hanson of course
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
It's greet to see your first post. If @tradedollarnut and @WDP haven't had a chance to say "Welcome", let me find you a comfortable seat
The double eagles look great, also seems like he upgraded a lot of coins recently. It for sure is going into the right direction to open a great museum here.
Boy I'm surprised at the candid info in Legends market report. I don't thing I ever seen or heard any dealer comment on their business situation like that. I believe the coin business is on the edge of a big change.
2018 will be an interesting year for coin collecting.
Bob
Lordmarcovan, WTCG, YogiBerraFan, Phoenin21, LindeDad, Coll3ctor, blue594, robkoll, Mike Dixon, BloodMan, Flakthat and others.
Thanks to you all for the welcome.
Just finished a TD Set I've been working on for a few years - See MnS set on the PCGS registry.
Also, I recently put together a paper in the Gobrecht Journal's last edition on the rarity of SDs - update of Bowers 1993 work; my set is the centerfold. FYI, a portion of my SD collection can be found at: http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/openregistry/index.php
Best wishes to all for 2018!
Any new updates with his set?
Later, Paul.
Pretty much weekly.
He is down to just 40 Coins needed. It was around 65 first of the year. He has added about 25 and a boat load of upgrades. At this rate, he should be down to the two show stoppers by Christmas.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I was just working on a few updates for Mr. Hansen yesterday. We're actually down to about 35 coins, but there are some updates that aren't reflecting on the Eliasberg set just yet. We'll keep pushing these along and hope to get down to single digits soon!
That being said, if you have any hole-fillers in the set that you're looking to sell, please feel free to shoot me a PM or email!
President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
email: John@davidlawrence.com
2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
For those who are looking, this is what the 1793-1964 set is missing:
Non Gold:
1802 H10C
1865 H10C
1869-S H10C
1849-O 25C
1873-CC 25C
Gold:
1796 $2-1/2
1798 $2-1/2
1832 $2-1/2
1840-D $2-1/2
1841-D $2-1/2
1851-D $2-1/2
1852-D $2-1/2
1854-D $2-1/2
1856-D $2-1/2
1857-D $2-1/2
1864 $2-1/2
1798 $5
1797 $5
1815 $5
1819 $5
1822 $5
1826 $5
1828 $5
1829 $5
1829 $5
1841 $5
1846-C $5
1854-S $5
1856-O $5
1861-S $5
1864-S $5
1876 $5
1797 $10
1859-O $10
1860-S $10
1865 $10
1867 $10
1872-CC $10
1875 $10
1933 $10
I’m a little bit mystified since I can’t find the set that Eliasberg actually completed...complete US coin set in either circulation strike or proof. All I see is just circ strikes, just proof or every proof AND circuit strike.
If he does the last one, then IMO he will have exceeded Eliasberg.
Eliasberg completed a complete set of every date and mint mark of US coins.
He had some dates only in proof and some only in circ, not both a circ strike and proof.
So technically he had neither a complete circ strike set or a complete set of proofs.
The sets listed for him in the registry are for complete circ sets with an assumed grade for the coins he only had a proof.
Hansen appears to building a set of all US coins circ, proof, date, mint mark and variety and in a PCGS holder.
So he probably overtime will have a more encompassing set of coins, but may never equal having 100% of every date an mint mark. 1870-s $3 and 1933 $20 might be a challenge or maybe not.
Can someone explain why Eliasberg is 10 Coins short in the complete PCCS set.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
IMO, Pcgs should have a complete US coin set that allows either circ strike or proof and put in what Eliasberg actually had so we can readily observe what will be a monumental accomplishment
It would be very exciting if Hansen were down to needing only the 1933 $20 and he finally revealed that he has owned the Farouk specimen all along!
You may be right. He may playing the way you would play 5 card stud. You keep your money cards in the hole.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
That’s an interesting question. I believe that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection. The real challenge is when you build an extraordinary collection with a minimum budget. That’s the reason why most famous collectors fame out quickly.
I think its great to see someone compile such a beautiful, top notch set. However, i agree with you that it takes away from it (in my opinion) when its just a matter of time and money. If you can afford to have top dealers on the hunt for coins you need and money is no object - anything is possible.
Update. As predicted by a poster a couple days ago, the set is down to 35. Some really great gold coins were added. If he can get the 1822, it will be an unbelievable half eagle set.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Dbldie55. Your list is outdated. It would cool instead of deleting, to note the ones that are added. Just suggestion.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I got the list 2 minutes before I posted it.
This is misleading since it doesn’t include proofs such as the 1804$1. When did he get the 70-S half dime? The 73-CC no arrows dime? The 70-S $3?
IMO, ultimately this will be the measure of the set
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/u-s-coins/famous-u-s-coins/100-greatest-u-s-coins/alltimeset/151812
You can have Jeff Bezos' kinda of money and still not finish this set, because some rare coins are just not available...for any price.
BTW, does he have the 1894-S Barber, 1913 Nickel, or an 1804 Dollar?
Later, Paul.
TDN. I agree. I wish PCGS would fix the set to show the 4 additional CS that are missing. But they won’t. My experience, they never do. By the way TDN, don’t forget the StG set opens tonight. Good Luck.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
So clearly coins that aren't available - wouldn't be ones that I would expect anyone to be able to get. You can disagree, which is why its great that we can all have our own opinions. Being able to drop any amount of money on any coin that comes up is a fantastic luxury to have, and I wish I had it, but it makes doing something like this much easier.
Obviously when Hansen gets down to needing 10 coins or less, these coins won't be the ones with pops in the millions. They will probably be coins that have pops of less than 20 specimens total. The 1913 Nickel has 5, of which 2 are in Museums, 1 is very low grade, and that leaves 2. Are they for sale? The current owners are probably Millionaires and couldn't care less how much money Hansen throws at them. Then again they might. Time will tell.
Later, Paul.
The listing at the moment (Circulation Strikes list) says he is missing an 1844 half dime as well.
Easier to find than an 1802 or 1865!
But of course finding one of the several MS-67 1844 half dimes could be difficult.
Eliasberg's 1844 was slabbed as PCGS MS-65, as of 2003.
So maybe that is one of the 5 recent updates that John Brush mentioned.
Those would be varieties that were added or recognized after Eliasberg had finished collecting.
Mvs7.. these are some of Coins that Eliasberg is missing. Are you saying they were not recognized as needed? Why?
1841 10c
1870 10c
1818 $5
1825 $5
1828 $5
1831$5
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
The dimes also show as missing from the dime set.
https://pcgs.com/SetRegistry/half-dimes/liberty-seated-dimes-major-sets/liberty-seated-dimes-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1837-1891/alltimeset/42877
The $5 gold coins are listed in that set.
https://pcgs.com/SetRegistry/gold/early-5-gold-major-sets/capped-bust-5-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1807-1834/alltimeset/132448
The Eliasberg sets were probably setup years ago and some of the data is now out of date or missing now for some reason.
The 1913 Liberty Nickel is not required in his set's. Not sure if a PR63 is considered very low grade (it sold for over 3 million), but that is the lowest graded example in public hands. (the Olsen PR64 and Eliasberg PR66 are the others)
10klakes.
Why is it so difficult for PCGS to correct their sets info? Do they care?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
In this instance, what PCGS says is irrelevant. Certainly no one can match or exceed Eliasberg without a 1913 nickel or 1804$1
The early halves are still missing the 1817/4 key and the 1812/1 large 8 semi-key, unless they just haven't been posted as yet. The breadth and depth of the set is mind blowing and unimaginable from my vantage point. I did not imagine anything close to Eliasberg could be achieved ever again, not even remotely close. I really admire what Del has been doing and find it truly historic. Congratulations on the progress Del and enjoy the fun of the hunt!
I really wish Pcgs would create the set and spend some time publicizing this endeavor
TDN... I agree
Do you think that is asking too much from them? Do you think the will have too eventually?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I posted earlier in this thread about this. I disagree "that rich people can easily build a beautiful collection" and the REAL challenge is doing so on a minimal budget. Building a great collection based upon a minimal budget or a big budget is always a challenge. There are a ton of high priced overgraded coins out there for people with deep pockets. Whatever budget you are on there is no substitution for experience, education, patience, and decision making. Of course having a huge budget is an enoromous help but it also opens up traps and options that one need not worry about with a small budget.
As I said earlier, it is one thing to have a lot of money but it is another thing to actually pull the trigger and try to not only to collect one of every coin but to get better examples than Eliasberg. Regardless of your worth it is not "easy" to put $200 million dollars plus into coins. It is like when people say I would be good at golf if I had more time or took lessons. Well, maybe you would be or maybe you wouldn't. Part of being great at anything is actually doing it---Hansen is actually doing it by trying to surpass Eliasberg. Rather than dismiss this endeavor, he should be congratulated.
Perhaps DLRC can create the full list on their site and publish updates publicly as they are made. I agree that this could be used for lots of great publicity for the hobby.