Dan, last year you did some 2gram and 1/10 and 1/4 oz coins, any plans to do them this year. If I remember correctly I think I ordered owls and them at the same time. Love the silver owl, and getting ready to order.I was waiting for other coins to do,st once, but don’t want the silver owl to sell out?
Like many here, I have collected several over-struck coins since the introduction of the 1964-D Peace Dollars in late 2010. Who, other than DC, could've imagined nearly eight years later we'd be looking at Saint overstrikes?! These are in my mind the holy grail of overstrikes. The '1934' is the perfect "what if" Saint had FDR not acted. (A 1917, 1918, or 1919 overstrike would have worked as well thematically with DC's current Peace Dollar incarnations.) The MCMVI Concept is brilliant too, although I was not onboard initially, it grew on me as far as significance and execution in gold so much so I changed my av to represent the classic HR with the Concept.
Here's a 1908 in pcgs ms63 slab closed yesterday evening for $1326 with free delivery, a $75 premium over spot. I don't collect these but have noticed people here chat about getting them under spot with elevated bonus ebay bucks kick back. Add in 1% cash back on my fee free visa cc to the typical 1% ebay bucks and that drops this golden twenty to $49 over spot.
I see there are a lot of Chinese counterfeit Twenty Dollars on fleabay.
;^(
I'd pass on buying Twenty Dollars in raw, if I collected them.
3) 33.4 grams (varies slightly). Coin-turn orientation. Reeded edge.
Over-struck on circa 1850-1865 type-1 US Mint $20 Liberty gold coins.
4) $1,950 if paid by check rather than credit card.
5) Price for this option is $250 plus the 1850-1865 $20 gold coin to strike on.
@SimpleCollector said:
Dan, last year you did some 2gram and 1/10 and 1/4 oz coins, any plans to do them this year. If I remember correctly I think I ordered owls and them at the same time. Love the silver owl, and getting ready to order.I was waiting for other coins to do,st once, but don’t want the silver owl to sell out?
I have dies ready for the Clark Gruber 2018 1/4-troy-oz ("Half Eagle") gold. These have the eagle reverse as before. I've also engraved dies for a 2018 Clark Gruber winged Saint-Gaudens 39mm 1-troy-oz 999 silver "FOURTY DOLLARS" piece. This is a new one and a size that I have not done before as a Clark Gruber. I plan to make it as a proof-like.
I haven't decided yet if I will do the whole range of Clark Gruber pieces this year (Eagle, Double Eagle, octagonal gold). I will probably do a 16mm die for 1/10-troy-oz gold and small silver. But since I've come out with a lot of new things recently, it will be a few weeks before I do any of these.
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
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@LindyS said:
I think Daniel offered a send your earlier $20 gold coin overstriking service fee on his 1861 $20 fantasy.
I like it, I even thought about the possibility of sending 1 oz 24k gold 2009 UHR. It has cool edge details from segmented collar.
That would be neat if it would work, but the 2009 UHR is too small in diameter to broad-strike into a 34mm piece. Without a collar, and with that much radial expansion, it would likely come out irregularly-shaped and not perfectly round. Using a collar would help keep it round, but that would flatten most or all of the edge lettering, which would defeat the purpose of using it in the first place.
I occasionally use Canada 1-troy-oz gold Maple Leaf coins as planchets (they are smaller in diameter and thicker than most other 1-troy-oz gold coins, so they can be flattened out quite a bit while the diameter is increased). In that regard, they are similar to the 2009 UHR. When I do that with a Maple Leaf the original design is 100% obliterated (including the edge reeding). So the 2009 UHR would probably be the same. I wouldn't use a 2009 UHR as a host coin for a Saint-Gaudens fantasy-date over-strike since it isn't really the same type . And there are cheaper options for anonymous 1-troy-oz gold blanks, such as the Maple Leafs or my own fabrication.
Every time I look over my DC coins, that’s always growing, I’m so impressed with his skills and beautiful designs. I’ve also gotta say I’m also a bit jealous of his business. I have worked metal all of my life, I was a toolmaker/machinist for many, many years. Like all of my life. I’m retired now but if Dan was to say.....Hey, Joe, how bout you working part time for me. I’d be there in a New York minute.
I’ll just betcha your having some real fun.
I like your car too
Keep em coming my coin brother
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
@coinsarefun said:
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
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I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
@crazyhounddog said:
Every time I look over my DC coins, that’s always growing, I’m so impressed with his skills and beautiful designs. I’ve also gotta say I’m also a bit jealous of his business. I have worked metal all of my life, I was a toolmaker/machinist for many, many years. Like all of my life. I’m retired now but if Dan was to say.....Hey, Joe, how bout you working part time for me. I’d be there in a New York minute.
I’ll just betcha your having some real fun.
I like your car too
Keep em coming my coin brother
Wow, thanks !
I wish it were a straight forward thing to scale up my business. But for what I do, making more of something doesn't equate to earning more profits. Lower mintages equate to higher premiums (so long as the quality is there). If output were increased, the amounts that people would be willing to pay would be lower. So I'm pretty much limited to a one-man operation (although my wife helps with packaging and shipping). And I also like having an erratic schedule with no boss and no employees (can't beat that), not to mention that I get bored making the same thing for very long and I like to constantly switch to new things.
@coinsarefun said:
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
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I dint really mean "California" just the shapes and device designs. What octagon gold did you do?
I guess I missed that one......was it a 1 ounce?
@coinsarefun said:
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
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I dint really mean "California" just the shapes and device designs. What octagon gold did you do?
I guess I missed that one......was it a 1 ounce?
There have been three different gold octagons:
2015 (7 minted):
2016 (7 minted):
2017 (6 minted):
I have not yet decided if I will do a 2018 or not. Possible later this year.
@coinsarefun said:
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
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I dint really mean "California" just the shapes and device designs. What octagon gold did you do?
I guess I missed that one......was it a 1 ounce?
There have been three different gold octagons:
I have not yet decided if I will do a 2018 or not. Possible later this year.
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. Thanks Dan, After I wrote that I decided to look and found this one........dang I wish I would have seen this
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@coinsarefun said:
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
.
.
I dint really mean "California" just the shapes and device designs. What octagon gold did you do?
I guess I missed that one......was it a 1 ounce?
There have been three different gold octagons:
I have not yet decided if I will do a 2018 or not. Possible later this year.
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. Thanks Dan, After I wrote that I decided to look and found this one........dang I wish I would have seen this
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I had one I sold not long ago. How did you miss it??
Looking forward to the 1.5 oz silver octagon I ordered!
Dan, have you ever thought about doing a 1915 Pan-Pac octagonal...perhaps a Denver mint, one in silver, and maybe gold? That would be an awesome offering....
Dan
Since these are re-strikes over actual coinage there must be a cleaning process to make them look mint fresh. How do you do it?
I clean off the tarnish and any corrosion before over-striking. It is a proprietary process, so I am not disclosing all the details.
Other than the removal of tarnish and corrosion, no metal is removed from, or added to, the coins. All are over-struck at least 3 times. Some as many as 12 times.
I was able to get a Bulk Strike 1933 Washington Quarter that didn't have all of the toning removed - there was just a little line from the '2' of a 1952 piece. So it looks like a 1933/2 Washington Quarter. I have had a lot of guys want to buy it, but it stays in the set.
@coinsarefun said:
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
.
.
I dint really mean "California" just the shapes and device designs. What octagon gold did you do?
I guess I missed that one......was it a 1 ounce?
There have been three different gold octagons:
2015 (7 minted):
2016 (7 minted):
2017 (6 minted):
I have not yet decided if I will do a 2018 or not. Possible later this year.
what I was thinking seeing how there are only 13 1933 know to exist how cool would that be if only 13 1934 exist ! but I know Dan has to make his money to stay in business
@1940coupe said:
what I was thinking seeing how there are only 13 1933 know to exist how cool would that be if only 13 1934 exist ! but I know Dan has to make his money to stay in business
I think 13 is possible. I saw some of his other golds had mintages of 6 or 7 pcs.
I did not expect this, but the total number of "1934" over-strike Saint-Gaudens that were ordered on my web site is about 50. So the final mintage will likely be around 55 (a few were sold in person locally). When the web orders reached 50, I decided to cut off (stop taking) any more orders for them. I could have sold more, but I think it is better for buyers of these pieces if I limit orders to those already placed. Still, 50 is low for one of my over-strikes (on par with my "1927-D" Oregon Trail).
Production and shipping of recent orders will be picking up the pace going into next week. This includes the Saint-Gaudens over-strikes and the early copper over-strikes.
Wow, I'm a bit disappointed the mintage is so much higher than some of the other gold overstrikes, but I'm glad you cut it off, and also glad that it appears to be so popular. I look forward to receiving mine!
@jwitten said:
Wow, I'm a bit disappointed the mintage is so much higher than some of the other gold overstrikes, but I'm glad you cut it off, and also glad that it appears to be so popular. I look forward to receiving mine!
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My thoughts are like this. Even though the mintage is higher than other gold coins this is obviously a very popular overstrike. Because of this value will be pretty good. Other ones with only a few mintage are not in super demand so the prices stay semi close to original purchase price. They may go up in the short term but that’s about it.
I’m personally happy to see that many as it will possibly be the one to have.
I was going to order 2, now I wish I did, but I’m still happy as can be.
@coinsarefun said:
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
.
.
I dint really mean "California" just the shapes and device designs. What octagon gold did you do?
I guess I missed that one......was it a 1 ounce?
There have been three different gold octagons:
2015 (7 minted):
2016 (7 minted):
2017 (6 minted):
I have not yet decided if I will do a 2018 or not. Possible later this year.
Love the 2015.
It seems as though pretty much anything my man, Dan, does I find very attractive. I am a huge fan of his work, like a modern day, Michael Angelo, in my book.
Keep em coming my coin brother!!
I like your car too I’ll bet ya it’s hyper fast . Yeah it is.
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
I really a truly hope it is only 55 for 1934 Gold and doesn't wide up being 75,85, 90 100, 125 kind heart Dan making more for people when they whine ! like the 2015 silver Owl started out at 75 mintage finished at 95
@1940coupe said:
what I was thinking seeing how there are only 13 1933 know to exist how cool would that be if only 13 1934 exist ! but I know Dan has to make his money to stay in business
The 1934's will be much more popular because they have the same design as the original coin, whereas the 1933 says, "NOT LEGAL TENDER". Big difference for overstrike collectors.
The 1934's will be much more popular because they have the same design as the original coin, whereas the 1933 says, "NOT LEGAL TENDER". Big difference for overstrike collectors.
Yes, I wasn’t interested in the 1933 because of “the not legal tender” but when I saw the 1934 I jumped on one of those.
Comments
Thank you for passing them for our enjoyment on such reasonable premium
Dan, last year you did some 2gram and 1/10 and 1/4 oz coins, any plans to do them this year. If I remember correctly I think I ordered owls and them at the same time. Love the silver owl, and getting ready to order.I was waiting for other coins to do,st once, but don’t want the silver owl to sell out?
Like many here, I have collected several over-struck coins since the introduction of the 1964-D Peace Dollars in late 2010. Who, other than DC, could've imagined nearly eight years later we'd be looking at Saint overstrikes?! These are in my mind the holy grail of overstrikes. The '1934' is the perfect "what if" Saint had FDR not acted. (A 1917, 1918, or 1919 overstrike would have worked as well thematically with DC's current Peace Dollar incarnations.) The MCMVI Concept is brilliant too, although I was not onboard initially, it grew on me as far as significance and execution in gold so much so I changed my av to represent the classic HR with the Concept.
Here's a 1908 in pcgs ms63 slab closed yesterday evening for $1326 with free delivery, a $75 premium over spot. I don't collect these but have noticed people here chat about getting them under spot with elevated bonus ebay bucks kick back. Add in 1% cash back on my fee free visa cc to the typical 1% ebay bucks and that drops this golden twenty to $49 over spot.
I see there are a lot of Chinese counterfeit Twenty Dollars on fleabay.
;^(
I'd pass on buying Twenty Dollars in raw, if I collected them.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1908-20-No-Motto-Gold-St-Gaudens-PCGS-MS63/273220521283?epid=170465498&hash=item3f9d364d43:g:xxkAAOSwwNRa~oCr&autorefresh=true
Daniel, would you just charge someone just the minting fee, if you were provided with the Host coin ?
Gee ! every type of Daniel Carr 1964 peace dollars are listed on Ebay right now not me !
I think Daniel offered a send your earlier $20 gold coin overstriking service fee on his 1861 $20 fantasy.
I like it, I even thought about the possibility of sending 1 oz 24k gold 2009 UHR. It has cool edge details from segmented collar.
Lindy
Found it, option 5:
CSA_2011_BS1 1
Struck on a former US Denver Mint coin press.
1) 20.6 grams. Medal-turn orientation. Smooth edge marked
“BRASS STRUCK DEC. 2011 150TH A”.
Some certificates incorrectly state “Coin-Turn” orientation.
2) 31.1 grams. Medal-turn orientation. Smooth edge marked
3) 33.4 grams (varies slightly). Coin-turn orientation. Reeded edge.
Over-struck on circa 1850-1865 type-1 US Mint $20 Liberty gold coins.
4) $1,950 if paid by check rather than credit card.
5) Price for this option is $250 plus the 1850-1865 $20 gold coin to strike on.
I have dies ready for the Clark Gruber 2018 1/4-troy-oz ("Half Eagle") gold. These have the eagle reverse as before. I've also engraved dies for a 2018 Clark Gruber winged Saint-Gaudens 39mm 1-troy-oz 999 silver "FOURTY DOLLARS" piece. This is a new one and a size that I have not done before as a Clark Gruber. I plan to make it as a proof-like.
I haven't decided yet if I will do the whole range of Clark Gruber pieces this year (Eagle, Double Eagle, octagonal gold). I will probably do a 16mm die for 1/10-troy-oz gold and small silver. But since I've come out with a lot of new things recently, it will be a few weeks before I do any of these.
Yes, $275 plus the usual $10 per order for shipping = $285.
What about one of these in gold? I think that would be very cool.
You can do an over strike on the round $20
But the octagon would be a regular planchet
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
Do you have a mintage number in mind for gold Saint-Gaudens your site says Limited production ?
That would be neat if it would work, but the 2009 UHR is too small in diameter to broad-strike into a 34mm piece. Without a collar, and with that much radial expansion, it would likely come out irregularly-shaped and not perfectly round. Using a collar would help keep it round, but that would flatten most or all of the edge lettering, which would defeat the purpose of using it in the first place.
I occasionally use Canada 1-troy-oz gold Maple Leaf coins as planchets (they are smaller in diameter and thicker than most other 1-troy-oz gold coins, so they can be flattened out quite a bit while the diameter is increased). In that regard, they are similar to the 2009 UHR. When I do that with a Maple Leaf the original design is 100% obliterated (including the edge reeding). So the 2009 UHR would probably be the same. I wouldn't use a 2009 UHR as a host coin for a Saint-Gaudens fantasy-date over-strike since it isn't really the same type . And there are cheaper options for anonymous 1-troy-oz gold blanks, such as the Maple Leafs or my own fabrication.
Every time I look over my DC coins, that’s always growing, I’m so impressed with his skills and beautiful designs. I’ve also gotta say I’m also a bit jealous of his business. I have worked metal all of my life, I was a toolmaker/machinist for many, many years. Like all of my life. I’m retired now but if Dan was to say.....Hey, Joe, how bout you working part time for me. I’d be there in a New York minute.
I’ll just betcha your having some real fun.
I like your car too
Keep em coming my coin brother
I haven't gotten into any California pioneer gold types because I'm a Colorado native
Either size and shape would technically be possible (I've already done gold octagon "slugs").
For the time being, I plan to stick with the Clark Gruber branding - there are several more types of Clark Gruber pieces that I plan to do this year.
Wow, thanks !
I wish it were a straight forward thing to scale up my business. But for what I do, making more of something doesn't equate to earning more profits. Lower mintages equate to higher premiums (so long as the quality is there). If output were increased, the amounts that people would be willing to pay would be lower. So I'm pretty much limited to a one-man operation (although my wife helps with packaging and shipping). And I also like having an erratic schedule with no boss and no employees (can't beat that), not to mention that I get bored making the same thing for very long and I like to constantly switch to new things.
So it was said, so shall it be......
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I dint really mean "California" just the shapes and device designs. What octagon gold did you do?
I guess I missed that one......was it a 1 ounce?
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
There have been three different gold octagons:
2015 (7 minted):
2016 (7 minted):
2017 (6 minted):
I have not yet decided if I will do a 2018 or not. Possible later this year.
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. Thanks Dan, After I wrote that I decided to look and found this one........dang I wish I would have seen this
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
I had one I sold not long ago. How did you miss it??
California design, that really is alright? LOL, well that's OK - even if the president forsakes us!
BTW, I liked the "S" mintmark on the matte 1927 Oregon Trail piece.
Well, just Love coins, period.
1934 "Saint-Gaudens GOLD "TWENTY DOLLARS" OUT-of-Stock,,,,,,, are they done?
That was a "D" on the "1927" Oregon Trail over-strike.
Looking forward to the 1.5 oz silver octagon I ordered!
Dan, have you ever thought about doing a 1915 Pan-Pac octagonal...perhaps a Denver mint, one in silver, and maybe gold? That would be an awesome offering....
I was able to get a Bulk Strike 1933 Washington Quarter that didn't have all of the toning removed - there was just a little line from the '2' of a 1952 piece. So it looks like a 1933/2 Washington Quarter. I have had a lot of guys want to buy it, but it stays in the set.
Has anyone received any large or half cents yet?
Ooops, that was wishful memory - sorry there!
Well, just Love coins, period.
Love the 2015.
Are you wanting another ?
the excitement would be for a limited, low mintage.
I haven't yet. Anxiously waiting.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
I am waiting for my 1st one to ship.
what I was thinking seeing how there are only 13 1933 know to exist how cool would that be if only 13 1934 exist ! but I know Dan has to make his money to stay in business
I think 13 is possible. I saw some of his other golds had mintages of 6 or 7 pcs.
I did not expect this, but the total number of "1934" over-strike Saint-Gaudens that were ordered on my web site is about 50. So the final mintage will likely be around 55 (a few were sold in person locally). When the web orders reached 50, I decided to cut off (stop taking) any more orders for them. I could have sold more, but I think it is better for buyers of these pieces if I limit orders to those already placed. Still, 50 is low for one of my over-strikes (on par with my "1927-D" Oregon Trail).
Production and shipping of recent orders will be picking up the pace going into next week. This includes the Saint-Gaudens over-strikes and the early copper over-strikes.
Thank you Daniel! Excited to get them!
I am so happy being 1 of 50
@dcarr
thank you for limiting production on the 1934 gold !
Dan, are you done with the 1933 brass and silver double eagles? I was fence-sitting, and then - poof! They were gone.
I knew it would happen.
Wow, I'm a bit disappointed the mintage is so much higher than some of the other gold overstrikes, but I'm glad you cut it off, and also glad that it appears to be so popular. I look forward to receiving mine!
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My thoughts are like this. Even though the mintage is higher than other gold coins this is obviously a very popular overstrike. Because of this value will be pretty good. Other ones with only a few mintage are not in super demand so the prices stay semi close to original purchase price. They may go up in the short term but that’s about it.
I’m personally happy to see that many as it will possibly be the one to have.
I was going to order 2, now I wish I did, but I’m still happy as can be.
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
50 is surprising.
I think its 55~ish
It seems as though pretty much anything my man, Dan, does I find very attractive. I am a huge fan of his work, like a modern day, Michael Angelo, in my book.
I’ll bet ya it’s hyper fast . Yeah it is.
Keep em coming my coin brother!!
I like your car too
I really a truly hope it is only 55 for 1934 Gold and doesn't wide up being 75,85, 90 100, 125 kind heart Dan making more for people when they whine ! like the 2015 silver Owl started out at 75 mintage finished at 95
this is want I miss the old days After producing some
cancelled-die strikes,
the dies were totally
defaced and scrapped
The 1934's will be much more popular because they have the same design as the original coin, whereas the 1933 says, "NOT LEGAL TENDER". Big difference for overstrike collectors.
Yes, I wasn’t interested in the 1933 because of “the not legal tender” but when I saw the 1934 I jumped on one of those.