A Heritage win from a year ago almost to the day.
From a mintage of just 998 pieces, this is one of two tied for the highest grade at PCGS (none higher at NGC).
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Thanks, guys. I've gotten flak from some who see it as merely bullion and incredibly overpriced bullion at that. I think it's a beautiful piece that is iconic and, with a mintage of just 998 pieces, quite rare. A $1k coin when it can be found.
By comparison, the 1995-W proof silver eagle arrived more than a decade later, and was arguably a manufactured rarity. It had a mintage of over 30,000. A thumbnail count shows about 8,000 69 and 70s between both TPGs.
And it runs $3,000.
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Fun thread to revisit--I've been doing things other than coins lately (though I did pick up something suitable for this thread in the recent HA auction...waiting to pay my invoice still).
I ran through some photos handy on my desktop and found these two. They are top pop as in 24/0, and wildly divergent examples, and as good a reason as any to have duplicates.
My photo templates are also very divergent, but hey, I'm just doing a drive-by post and it's all I've got right now.
OGH and blast white
New holder and definitely not blast white! I'll add a 'long view' shot too to try and give another perspective.
PCGS has graded only 11 cap & rays 4 reales in MS. Only one 1868/58-Go YF/PF has been graded so this MS63 is a top pop. There are five other coins in the series graded 63, with one finer at 64.
@cecropiamoth said:
Here's a cool, little coin. Struck at Philadelphia for Colombia. Mintage of 400,00. Odd silver fineness, 0.666. PCGS MS66 and strangely from the Kings Norton Mint Collection.
@cecropiamoth said:
Here's a cool, little coin. Struck at Philadelphia for Colombia. Mintage of 400,00. Odd silver fineness, 0.666. PCGS MS66 and strangely from the Kings Norton Mint Collection.
Jeff
Gasp! The Mark of the Beast! And in MS66 no less!
Kind regards,
George
Payback Is Hell
I got a new 1928-S Lincoln to add to my Toned Lincoln Cents Set (1909–1958). My GPA? 66.66!
@bidask How come there are so few of the second republic coinage around?
I don't have an answer, but on the two coins I posted, mintage was tiny. The 1871-Go S 25c had a mintage of 172,000 while the 1871-Mo M 50c mintage was just 14,000. That probably plays into your question. Of course the Second Republic coinage must have seen heavy usage with low survival rates as well. The biggest factor might be that they are just not as popular amongst the collector base as compared to the First Republic real (1/2 thru 8) coinage. If that is the case, there is probably a lot of circulated pieces out there that just haven't made it in for grading. Anyone else have any ideas?
For sure coins from the Second Republic are not as popular. As such, the incentive to grade is less (from dealers). I for once like them, but it is very hard to find them in high grade, or to even find them at all.
@Abuelo said:
For sure coins from the Second Republic are not as popular. As such, the incentive to grade is less (from dealers). I for once like them, but it is very hard to find them in high grade, or to even find them at all.
Abuelo, I guess we have the same thoughts on the popularity of these with collectors, especially when compared to the First Republic real coinage. One other thought I had, perhaps valid, perhaps not is that those 1869-1873 Peso coins didn't go over well in Mexico and they went back to the 8 reales. Maybe this impacted the saving/survival rate of the same design 25c and 50c coins...just a thought.
A large group of these 25 centavo and 50 centavo coins have been auctioned on Great Collections the last month or so. All circs from what I recall, VF20 - AU5X coins. They all had similar PCGS cert numbers so I think a couple of large groups got graded all at once. I didn't follow them closely, but no doubt a bunch of top pops were auctioned, mostly due to the low pops in general for these pieces. 1871 is just a special date for me (silly, but 100 year birth coins for me) so I picked those up to pair with several other 1871's I had (two 8R's - PC64s of Ca & Ho and an NGC 63 Mo Peso).
I like them too, quite the cool obverse design which as you know was used either exactly or something very close to it with the early 1950's 25 centavos and the earliest Onza coins.
@cecropiamoth you are right. These decimal coinage was very unpopular in Mexico. The low denominations caused a popular rebellion against President González as the coins were cuper nickel instead of silver. Pesos (Not successful taking the place of 8R) were discontinued in favour of the old 8R as the new design was not accepted... in China! And as many Mexican series, are impossible to complete as almost reach mint produced every denomination. Some can be found in low grade, but not all, and in high grade many are impossible.
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@Abuelo said:
For sure coins from the Second Republic are not as popular. As such, the incentive to grade is less (from dealers). I for once like them, but it is very hard to find them in high grade, or to even find them at all.
But why are they hard to find at all, especially the pesos ......were many or most melted?
@Abuelo said:
For sure coins from the Second Republic are not as popular. As such, the incentive to grade is less (from dealers). I for once like them, but it is very hard to find them in high grade, or to even find them at all.
Abuelo, I guess we have the same thoughts on the popularity of these with collectors, especially when compared to the First Republic real coinage. One other thought I had, perhaps valid, perhaps not is that those 1869-1873 Peso coins didn't go over well in Mexico and they went back to the 8 reales. Maybe this impacted the saving/survival rate of the same design 25c and 50c coins...just a thought.
Were most melted ?
A large group of these 25 centavo and 50 centavo coins have been auctioned on Great Collections the last month or so. All circs from what I recall, VF20 - AU5X coins. They all had similar PCGS cert numbers so I think a couple of large groups got graded all at once. I didn't follow them closely, but no doubt a bunch of top pops were auctioned, mostly due to the low pops in general for these pieces. 1871 is just a special date for me (silly, but 100 year birth coins for me) so I picked those up to pair with several other 1871's I had (two 8R's - PC64s of Ca & Ho and an NGC 63 Mo Peso).
Do you have any high grade 1871 pesos you can show?
I like them too, quite the cool obverse design which as you know was used either exactly or something very close to it with the early 1950's 25 centavos and the earliest Onza coins.
Take care/Jeff
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Some Mexican cap & rays 8R that I have shown in other threads, but not this top-pop thread. Some of the 8R are pop 1/0 and some are tied for top pop.
1893-As ML MS65 (pop 6/0). I believe this is a hoard date/mintmark...these come nice.
1894-Do ND MS65 (pop 1/0). Need a reholder with an updated TrueView for this one. The older images/scans just don't show the color.
1884-Ga TB MS65 (pop 1/0). These come nice.
1871-Ho PR MS64 (pop 1/0). Tough date. Tough mint. Image doesn't accurately represent the vibrant blue/indigo color on the obverse and the luster on the reverse. Based on the cert number, I think it is early TrueView image.
1897-Zs FZ MS65 (pop 5/0). 1890's Zs coins are among the most commonly encountered 8R in gem preservation.
Some NGC cap & rays 8R that would be top pop at PCGS. The Culiacan & Oaxaca mint coins could both go down one grade and still be top pops...but I would really like these to cross at grade. In hand I have high confidence on the Cn coin, not as sure on the Oa, but the strike is amazing and fields nearly perfect.
PCGS seems to have recently started designating cap & rays 8R proof-like (PL). There are two currently in the pop report. I own one NGC designated PL, an 1881-Mo MH in 64PL, a date that PCGS doesn't have a PL coin in their census. An amazing piece in hand, incredible mirrors, but really strange with all those die cracks. I'm going to eventually see if this passes muster at PCGS as a PL.
Can't speak for the minors, but I know where some of the peso's went. At least some where accepted in China. Sorry this isn't a "top pop" coin but relevant to the conversation nonetheless.
Very flat strike around the peripheral obverse, or maybe struck through grease? Somewhat prooflike reverse.
Can't speak for the minors, but I know where some of the peso's went. At least some where accepted in China. Sorry this isn't a "top pop" coin but relevant to the conversation nonetheless.
Very flat strike around the peripheral obverse, or maybe struck through grease? Somewhat prooflike reverse.
That is a cool coin !
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Just had these graded. Not sure about top pops at NGC
1854 Austria Marriage Gulden
PCGS 65
1868 Austria Shooting Thaler
PCGS 65
It's not designated on the holder (for whatever reason) but this coin is easily PL and pushing DMPL
One of the most beautiful coins I've ever had the pleasure to have
@cecropiamoth said:
Some NGC cap & rays 8R that would be top pop at PCGS. The Culiacan & Oaxaca mint coins could both go down one grade and still be top pops...but I would really like these to cross at grade. In hand I have high confidence on the Cn coin, not as sure on the Oa, but the strike is amazing and fields nearly perfect.
PCGS seems to have recently started designating cap & rays 8R proof-like (PL). There are two currently in the pop report. I own one NGC designated PL, an 1881-Mo MH in 64PL, a date that PCGS doesn't have a PL coin in their census. An amazing piece in hand, incredible mirrors, but really strange with all those die cracks. I'm going to eventually see if this passes muster at PCGS as a PL.
Jeff
Some very nice cap & rays !
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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A Heritage win from a year ago almost to the day.
From a mintage of just 998 pieces, this is one of two tied for the highest grade at PCGS (none higher at NGC).
--Severian the Lame
Nice looking Onza, @Weiss
8 Reales Madness Collection
Yes it is !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Thanks, guys. I've gotten flak from some who see it as merely bullion and incredibly overpriced bullion at that. I think it's a beautiful piece that is iconic and, with a mintage of just 998 pieces, quite rare. A $1k coin when it can be found.
By comparison, the 1995-W proof silver eagle arrived more than a decade later, and was arguably a manufactured rarity. It had a mintage of over 30,000. A thumbnail count shows about 8,000 69 and 70s between both TPGs.
And it runs $3,000.
--Severian the Lame
Taler Custom Set
Ancient Custom Set
Fun thread to revisit--I've been doing things other than coins lately (though I did pick up something suitable for this thread in the recent HA auction...waiting to pay my invoice still).
I ran through some photos handy on my desktop and found these two. They are top pop as in 24/0, and wildly divergent examples, and as good a reason as any to have duplicates.
My photo templates are also very divergent, but hey, I'm just doing a drive-by post and it's all I've got right now.
OGH and blast white
New holder and definitely not blast white! I'll add a 'long view' shot too to try and give another perspective.
I really like King George V coinage. Here is a 1919-C Jamaica 1D I've had for awhile. PCGS MS66, ex-Pittman and currently top pop.
Jeff
PCGS has graded only 11 cap & rays 4 reales in MS. Only one 1868/58-Go YF/PF has been graded so this MS63 is a top pop. There are five other coins in the series graded 63, with one finer at 64.
Jeff
1857-Mo GF 1/2 Escudo PCGS MS64 pop 1/0
1859/7-Ga JG 1 Escudo PCGS MS63+ pop 1/0
Jeff
A couple Second Republic circulated coins which just happen to be top pops. The 25c is XF40 and the 50c is VF35.
Jeff
@cecropiamoth you have some amazing coins here!
Gasp! The Mark of the Beast! And in MS66 no less!
Kind regards,
George
I didn't think I had any Top Pops. Until I looked again.
1892-Do JP MS61 PCGS, Pop 1/0, Only Mint State Example at PCGS
1875-Ga MC MS64 PCGS, Pop 1/0 (One Each in AU55, MS62, MS63, MS64
Kind regards,
George
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Payback Is Hell
I got a new 1928-S Lincoln to add to my Toned Lincoln Cents Set (1909–1958). My GPA? 66.66!
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-toned-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1909-1958/publishedset/160248
Kind regards,
George
@brg5658 and @giorgio11 very nice!
Just in
I have a 1905 1d Pittman PCGS 66 as well
I m looking to sell it maybe put it in a Heritage auction .
How come there are so few of the second republic coinage around?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
@bidask How come there are so few of the second republic coinage around?
I don't have an answer, but on the two coins I posted, mintage was tiny. The 1871-Go S 25c had a mintage of 172,000 while the 1871-Mo M 50c mintage was just 14,000. That probably plays into your question. Of course the Second Republic coinage must have seen heavy usage with low survival rates as well. The biggest factor might be that they are just not as popular amongst the collector base as compared to the First Republic real (1/2 thru 8) coinage. If that is the case, there is probably a lot of circulated pieces out there that just haven't made it in for grading. Anyone else have any ideas?
Jeff
For sure coins from the Second Republic are not as popular. As such, the incentive to grade is less (from dealers). I for once like them, but it is very hard to find them in high grade, or to even find them at all.
Abuelo, I guess we have the same thoughts on the popularity of these with collectors, especially when compared to the First Republic real coinage. One other thought I had, perhaps valid, perhaps not is that those 1869-1873 Peso coins didn't go over well in Mexico and they went back to the 8 reales. Maybe this impacted the saving/survival rate of the same design 25c and 50c coins...just a thought.
A large group of these 25 centavo and 50 centavo coins have been auctioned on Great Collections the last month or so. All circs from what I recall, VF20 - AU5X coins. They all had similar PCGS cert numbers so I think a couple of large groups got graded all at once. I didn't follow them closely, but no doubt a bunch of top pops were auctioned, mostly due to the low pops in general for these pieces. 1871 is just a special date for me (silly, but 100 year birth coins for me) so I picked those up to pair with several other 1871's I had (two 8R's - PC64s of Ca & Ho and an NGC 63 Mo Peso).
I like them too, quite the cool obverse design which as you know was used either exactly or something very close to it with the early 1950's 25 centavos and the earliest Onza coins.
Take care/Jeff
@cecropiamoth you are right. These decimal coinage was very unpopular in Mexico. The low denominations caused a popular rebellion against President González as the coins were cuper nickel instead of silver. Pesos (Not successful taking the place of 8R) were discontinued in favour of the old 8R as the new design was not accepted... in China! And as many Mexican series, are impossible to complete as almost reach mint produced every denomination. Some can be found in low grade, but not all, and in high grade many are impossible.
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But why are they hard to find at all, especially the pesos ......were many or most melted?
Were most melted ?
Do you have any high grade 1871 pesos you can show?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I guess they were as the balanza pesos series was short lived.
@bidask
I have just the Heritage images of the 1871-Mo M NGC MS63.
Jeff
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Some recently purchased ones:
Pop 1, none higher at PCGS
Pop 4, none higher at PCGS
Pop 1, none higher at PCGS
And for amusement, an 1841 halfpenny with full "DEI"
Pop 3, none higher at PCGS (in RB)
...and an 1841 with "DF.I" instead:
Pop 7, none higher at PCGS (in RD)
Mexico 5 pesos, 1954. MS66
Very low mintage.
Latin American Collection
Really nice @Boosibri
Which is top pop, AU-50 or UNC details?
50.
Only proof 62 but like it.
Sole graded at either major surface. GTG if you’d like although posted previously.
Well, just Love coins, period.
One of only 3 or 4 in the whole Cap & Rays 8 Reales series graded MS66+. None finer.
I must say this:
a fantastic coin show!
great coins and super images!
thank you for sharing
Some Mexican cap & rays 8R that I have shown in other threads, but not this top-pop thread. Some of the 8R are pop 1/0 and some are tied for top pop.
1893-As ML MS65 (pop 6/0). I believe this is a hoard date/mintmark...these come nice.
1894-Do ND MS65 (pop 1/0). Need a reholder with an updated TrueView for this one. The older images/scans just don't show the color.
1884-Ga TB MS65 (pop 1/0). These come nice.
1871-Ho PR MS64 (pop 1/0). Tough date. Tough mint. Image doesn't accurately represent the vibrant blue/indigo color on the obverse and the luster on the reverse. Based on the cert number, I think it is early TrueView image.
1897-Zs FZ MS65 (pop 5/0). 1890's Zs coins are among the most commonly encountered 8R in gem preservation.
Jeff
Some NGC cap & rays 8R that would be top pop at PCGS. The Culiacan & Oaxaca mint coins could both go down one grade and still be top pops...but I would really like these to cross at grade. In hand I have high confidence on the Cn coin, not as sure on the Oa, but the strike is amazing and fields nearly perfect.
PCGS seems to have recently started designating cap & rays 8R proof-like (PL). There are two currently in the pop report. I own one NGC designated PL, an 1881-Mo MH in 64PL, a date that PCGS doesn't have a PL coin in their census. An amazing piece in hand, incredible mirrors, but really strange with all those die cracks. I'm going to eventually see if this passes muster at PCGS as a PL.
Jeff
Can't speak for the minors, but I know where some of the peso's went. At least some where accepted in China. Sorry this isn't a "top pop" coin but relevant to the conversation nonetheless.
Very flat strike around the peripheral obverse, or maybe struck through grease? Somewhat prooflike reverse.
That is a cool coin !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
There are some amazing coins in this thread. A real joy to see
Here is a cool error I picked up out in the wild not too long ago and just had graded
That is one really cool Mexican error centavo @oldlinecoins
Found raw at a show?
Jeff
Latin American Collection
Latin American Collection
Thanks, man. Bought it at auction
Just had these graded. Not sure about top pops at NGC
1854 Austria Marriage Gulden
PCGS 65
1868 Austria Shooting Thaler
PCGS 65
It's not designated on the holder (for whatever reason) but this coin is easily PL and pushing DMPL
One of the most beautiful coins I've ever had the pleasure to have
Outstanding!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Some very nice cap & rays !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
George III, Age of Majority, 1759 (Eimer-666)
NGC MS66, (1967821-001), none that I could locate at PCGS.
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