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Do you think this Morgan (1880-S) could grade MS66?

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes. And CAC would probably green bean it at 66, too.
  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it would. It has a nice puffy cheek, solid hair, clean fields and great reverse color.
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  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't leave it in a 65 holder.
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  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure. Try it.
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I would crack it out and send that way. Has a better shot at 67 than 66 and am surprised there is not a gold sticker on that. The only wild card is if the images are altered to make it look so nice. If not, crack away.
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Easily a 66 in my opinion.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I dunno. How's the luster?
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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hell Yes!
  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the luster for sure. Also, do I see a couple small gouges in the reverse breast feathers? If so, that could limit it to a 65 in my opinion.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65 is appropriate. too much chatter in front of her lips and around the date.



    Pretty coin for sure. It might plus.



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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aren't Morgans like the '80-S and '81-S held to a higher standard? So many are gorgeous. Seems like the TPG's grade them on a curve.

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  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    Am I the only one who suspects the cheek has been thumbed??
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks appropriately graded to me... at least in the picture.... of course, with gradeflation today,

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  • hickoryridgehickoryridge Posts: 250 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Coppercolor
    Am I the only one who suspects the cheek has been thumbed??


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  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Coppercolor

    Am I the only one who suspects the cheek has been thumbed??






    I was just thinking the same. Would have to see it in hand for sure, but that doesn't look right to me, either.
  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 628 ✭✭✭
    It's worth a shot.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Coppercolor

    Am I the only one who suspects the cheek has been thumbed??






    Unlikely it would get past 3 graders a finalizer and then CAC.
  • CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭
    Do you think this Morgan (1880-S could grade MS66)?




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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    66 seems reasonable to me as the surfaces are 66+. I wouldn't crack it though. Maybe some faint hairlines that we can't see in the photos? Way too few marks for a 65 grade.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As Ikeigwin wrote, this date is held to a higher standard. Looks better than 65, but its an 80-s- they come nice.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313
    Originally posted by: Coppercolor
    Am I the only one who suspects the cheek has been thumbed??



    Unlikely it would get past 3 graders a finalizer and then CAC.


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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it could go 66

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, just as the previous posts, YES! Her beautiful untouched cheeks and the outstanding fields, yes, yes, yes! Maybe, even a 66+. What was PCGS thinking?

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: coinkat
    As Ikeigwin wrote, this date is held to a higher standard.



    Don't agree.
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep you posted on the status...
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SeattleSlammer

    Originally posted by: coinkat

    As Ikeigwin wrote, this date is held to a higher standard.






    Don't agree.





    Me too. I always figured the 79-s, 80-s, 81-s, and 82-s sort of got leniency for a few too many marks because they tend to come with superb eye appeal, killer PL luster, and sharp strikes. If anything the lousy strikes and somewhat flattish luster of the common date O and P mints tend to get a pass into the MS65 grade if they are clean....yet don't nearly have the blasty eye appeal of the early S mints.



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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reasonable minds can agree to disagree...image

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One way to tell.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin
    Aren't Morgans like the '80-S and '81-S held to a higher standard? So many are gorgeous. Seems like the TPG's grade them on a curve.
    Lance.


    Even as such, I routinely see inferior coins in both PCGS and NGC plastic. The coin looks silly in MS65 plastic IMHO, unless we are missing something that is not apparent in the photo.
  • sawyerjoshsawyerjosh Posts: 416 ✭✭✭
    Very hard to tell w/out more pictures.
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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, and it should IMO
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    Grade just posted. It graded a 66 so the tribe was spot on.



    I will send it back to CAC. It might sticker again, it should anyway. It's very PQ.



    Thanks for your input.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way to go

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sweet!
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, it's suspiciously mark-free, and dare I say it looks like what grades MS67 these days rather than 66? Take a good look at the cheek under a super-bright light and see if there is something under that darker toning.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure glad I was wrong, way to go!



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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes.
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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice!
  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313



    I would crack it out and send that way. Has a better shot at 67 than 66 and am surprised there is not a gold sticker on that. The only wild card is if the images are altered to make it look so nice. If not, crack away.




    Agree. Does the coin look that good in-hand? Is the luster full and strong? If yes, yes & yes then it should make 66 easily.



  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Should be in a 66 or 66+ holder image
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  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the last two years they have tightened common date Morgan grading by 1.5 points, check out the pop reports we are talking hundreds of thousands in 66 graded already.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice job on your MS66 upgrade. Now for the sticker test.............



    Originally posted by: SoCalBigMark

    In the last two years they have tightened common date Morgan grading by 1.5 points, check out the pop reports we are talking hundreds of thousands in 66 graded already.




    2 years (of potential tightening) is a drop in the bucket when you consider all the coins that got bumped up from 1995-2013. I seriously doubt that grades have "tightened" by 1.5 pts....which is essence would bring us back to 1989 standards. And if so, why not all the other series rather just Morgans?
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: mercurydimeguy

    Grade just posted. It graded a 66 so the tribe was spot on.



    I will send it back to CAC. It might sticker again, it should anyway. It's very PQ.



    Thanks for your input.


    Congrats on the grade, It certainly looks like it could make it into a 66+ holder.



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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only thing that gives me pause about that coin is the obverse fingerprint with the black spots. It would be a much nicer 66 without it. Will that be CAC's pain point?
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: roadrunner

    Nice job on your MS66 upgrade. Now for the sticker test.............



    Originally posted by: SoCalBigMark

    In the last two years they have tightened common date Morgan grading by 1.5 points, check out the pop reports we are talking hundreds of thousands in 66 graded already.




    2 years (of potential tightening) is a drop in the bucket when you consider all the coins that got bumped up from 1995-2013. I seriously doubt that grades have "tightened" by 1.5 pts....which is essence would bring us back to 1989 standards. And if so, why not all the other series rather just Morgans?




    Maybe not 1.5 points, but almost all of the OGH Morgans are overgraded by today's standards and whatever you do, don't crack those suckers.
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SeattleSlammer
    Yes. And CAC would probably green bean it at 66, too.


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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313
    Originally posted by: Coppercolor
    Am I the only one who suspects the cheek has been thumbed??



    Unlikely it would get past 3 graders a finalizer and then CAC.


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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A larger image would be helpful.
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: robertpr
    Originally posted by: Coppercolor
    Am I the only one who suspects the cheek has been thumbed??



    I was just thinking the same. Would have to see it in hand for sure, but that doesn't look right to me, either.


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