How picky are you about the holder your coins are in?

Boosibri

Im curious as I sit and look at about 10 world coins in NGC holders that I have accumulated through shows and auctions and ponder cracking and sending them to PCGS. My collection is 90% PCGS, basically excluding these 10 coins. I can;t help feeling the "itch" to continue to have consistency in my collection and crack/cross these coins over to PCGS. It isn't about the elitism per se, more the consistency.



Do you have a similar "itch"

jcping

Yes, so do I

DIMEMAN

I want mine in PCGS holders so that I can use them in the Registry. And of course if they are in PCGS rattlers I send in for reholder......can't stand rattlers.

CuKevin

I'm not picky either. I will buy coins in any holder.

Justacommeman

Originally posted by: Hydrant

Yes, I feel as you do. Consistency.

+1



Order in the court



mark

Jackthecat1

The holder doesn't matter at all to me.

TommyType

I find myself caring more and more.



Used to not care at all. I'd buy ANACS, NGC, PCGS, ICG....and I still have at least a few of each.



But I do have registry sets. And while I'm not exactly "competitive" in them, having an ICG or ANACS coin in my collection that I can't put in the registry just bugs me. Someday, I'll either cross them, or upgrade them, as appropriate.



The other thing that "bugs" me is that the physical holder I actually like the LEAST (PCGS...for purely mechanical reasons), is actually the most desirable for liquidity reasons. Guess that's why I don't go all the way, and limit myself to a single holder.

Twobitcollector

Not at all, buy the coin

Gazes

Based upon past experience over the years, I decided only to collect pcgs coins. Sometimes it can be tempting to branch out but being disciplined has worked for me.

etexmike

I too have the "itch."





Mike

ricko

I do not care... the coin is the important element... Cheers, RickO

grip

Try calamine lotion takes the itch right away

TigersFan2

100% of my slabbed coins are PCGS. I like consistency. The advantage of PCGS consistency is that they all easily fit in PCGS registry sets.

DIMEMAN

Originally posted by: Twobitcollector
Not at all, buy the coin

I don't think the OP is talking about buying coins in different holders. I think he means getting them all in the same holders once he has them. I may be wrong, but that is how I took it.

As far as buying I will buy a coin in any holder or raw if it is a coin I need or want and I like it. Because it is all about the coin.

steveben

holders matter to me only if i like the coin inside.



if i like the coin inside, i might re-holder if any of the following are true:



1. the holder is damaged

2. the holder doesn't match a set i am building

3. i believe the coin might be worth more in another holder

4. i want a professional photo done

5. i want a certain label

6. i don't agree with the grade on the current holder



i recognize that some holders are collectible, even if i don't collect them. so, i might not re-holder the coin if i believe the current holder is something that adds a premium.



so, it depends on a lot of factors.

Outhaul

A foolish consistency is the hob-goblin of small minds.

That being said, I prefer to reholder to maintain consistency...

Cheers

Bob

MrEureka

I have one set that is entirely PCGS, and I've taken a few expensive downgrades on NGC coins to keep the set consistent.

I have another set that is entirely NGC, and I've cracked coins out of PCGS holders and sent to NGC.

Baley

my collection is all over the place, many raw, many different kinds of TPG holders, not a single sticker yet



Once I finish my sets, someday, and happy with all the coins on their own merits, I'll spring for the fees to get the whole shebang slabbed by PCGS and sent to CAC

(and whatever else is in vogue by then) and then they'll all "match"



Until then, I have no itch to submit anything to anyone, if anything, I yearn to crack it all out and put them in flips, envelopes, and albums so that I can experience their "coin-ness" rather than their plasticness.

oih82w8

I buy the coin, in whatever holder, to have it placed, if neccessary, into the right holder...PCGS.

lunytune2

I buy the coin , not the holder ! Then , I change the holder to Pcgs . I must have consistancy.

Boosibri

To be clear, I'm not suggesting to buy the holder and not the coin. Rather, how much does holder consistency matter to you in your sets.

keets

at the end of the day it is the coin that matters so I buy that first without regard to the holder. regarding the holder, however, I will agree that when looking at a group of coins the group looks better if they are all the same.

Cameonut

My cameo set is 100% PCGS, so for that set, the holder matters.



For everything else, I stick to PCGS and NGC but will admit to a few stray Anacs and Segs holders.

Yorkshireman

I like the consistency also.
I have several NGC's which will probably get submitted to PCGS soon.

BryceM

I like PCGS for liquidity, consistency, registry, etc........ but from rattlers to doileys, OGH, solid blue, transition blue, special modern labels, gold foil labels, retro OGH, and the new thicker slabs hardly two of them look alike anymore.

TopographicOceans

The community has abandoned the perfect holder - Small ANACS.

They weren't secure, but were the perfect size.

I prefer PCGS for the look and feel and would like to have 100% PCGS for consistency and have tried (i.e. spent money) to achieve that.

Alas, I still have a number of mostly NGC slabs that didn't cross.

I lost whatever interest I had in the Registry 15 years ago even though I still have a few sets. One I did just to get it pedigreed but it was easy to build a gold type set back then.

lkeigwin

I have just a few coins in NGC and old ANACS holders. Because it isn't financially sensible to cross them or because they're not important to my PCGS registry sets. 99.5% of my "holdered" collection are PCGS coins.



I like the consistent look, I prefer the appearance of the holder, I can take better pictures because the optics are superior and the slabs clean-up more easily. And of course because the market prefers PCGS.

Lance.

oih82w8

Originally posted by: TopographicOceans

The community has abandoned the perfect holder - Small ANACS.



They weren't secure, but were the perfect size.



I prefer PCGS for the look and feel and would like to have 100% PCGS for consistency and have tried (i.e spent money) to achieve that.



Alas, I still have a number of mostly NGC slabs that didn't cross.

I agree on the Old White ANACS holders, but they are not making them anywore and appear not to hear about the customer who have requested a revisit back to that design.



That being said (again) I will stick with PCGS for consistancy on their holder design.

keyman64

If the coin is "RIGHT" for me then I buy it.

If the holder is at first "NOT RIGHT" then it will be eventually.

ebaybuyer

when I buy a coin I don't care who's holder its in or if its in a 2x2 flip. when selling, well, one holder will get more money, as long as there are buyers who seem much more interested in the brand of plastic than whats in the plastic, there will be people laughing all the way to the bank

TwoSides2aCoin

A guy wanted a coin, just back from PCGS recently, for his 7070 album. I asked if he was sure , he said "for sure". Grabbed the diagonal cutters and "voila". You can't imagine the sound. It was a simple sound, but from him it was a gasp. Anyway, it's back to where I'd had it for several months, with one exception. I got a witness against, and one for. Who you going to please ?

coinkat

Not really...

unclebob

Originally posted by: steveben
holders matter to me only if i like the coin inside.

if i like the coin inside, i might re-holder if any of the following are true:

1. the holder is damaged
2. the holder doesn't match a set i am building
3. i believe the coin might be worth more in another holder
4. i want a professional photo done
5. i want a certain label
6. i don't agree with the grade on the current holder

i recognize that some holders are collectible, even if i don't collect them. so, i might not re-holder the coin if i believe the current holder is something that adds a premium.

so, it depends on a lot of factors.

Pretty much my opinion as well...

crazyhounddog

I have most PCGS followed by NGC with a couple of ANA and some small white ANACS . I would prefer all my Buffs were in PCGS holders for the reason they are better versed in grading Buffalo nickel's. Of course this is just my opinion but yes, I like PCGS for other reason too.

Edited to say.... I'm mainly after the coin. I buy raw too. The holder is always secondary.

mr1931S

The brand of holder matters not to me.For me,its hard to justify spending $50 or more dollars to have a coin worth maybe a few hundred dollars encapsulated by a TPG.

Raw (without a TPG "house" around it),PCGS,NGC,ICG,ANACS,Coin World (excellent and inexpensive holder,3 for $5)all work for me if I like the coin and can afford to buy it.

The most important reason for the holder is to protect the coin.I can show my coin in TPG or CW holder or sealed Saflip to others without fretting about the coin being mishandled and subsequently damaged.

Outhaul

Originally posted by: TopographicOceans
The community has abandoned the perfect holder - Small ANACS.

They weren't secure, but were the perfect size.

I love the old ANACS white holders.

Cheers

Bob

BillJones

For me the coin needs to be graded by NGC or PCGS. Either service is fine with me. I buy the coin. I have found myself unable to remember if a coin is graded by which service. When I was a dealer I had customers who were also more concerned about the coin than the holder.

jonruns

I like all my coins to be in PCGS holders...the issue for me arises if I am interested in a coin in an NGC holder with a CAC seal...

CCDollar

I see a lot of agreement here on PCGS being number one...I can't argue that...same here. No offense to NGC but I can't stand those White Prongs covering up the coin. I do like my gold in the older pre prong NGC. But my favorite is the pre bar code ANA and Anacs...just because they remind me of earlier years.

CC

Raybo

Most of my coins are in PCGS holders, some are in NGC holders, I just wish that the holders looked like the old ANA/ANACS holders.
I have no preference, buy the coin.

grip

Originally posted by: crazyhounddog
I have most PCGS followed by NGC with a couple of ANA and some small white ANACS . I would prefer all my Buffs were in PCGS holders for the reason they are better versed in grading Buffalo nickel's. Of course this is just my opinion but yes, I like PCGS for other reason too.

Edited to say.... I'm mainly after the coin. I buy raw too. The holder is always secondary.

Well said. I agree.

mercurydimeguy

I'm 100% PCGS. Can't stand the the white holders...unfortunately this comes at the price of having a fair number of coins downgrade but not all, and not permanently. I find that 2x trips to PCGS usually gets them into the proper grade holder...so cracking is probably the way to go.

bolivarshagnasty

I'm in the OCD group.

DollarAfterDollar

Reholdering coins already encapsulated and risking downgrades is the dumbest thing ever, well, except shipping 10 coins for crossover and getting 8 out of 10. Then you're stuck with 2 coins you're going to hate.

That might be even dumber!!!

Proofmorgan

I like to have all my coins in PCGS plastic. For the Registry and consistency.

CharlotteDude

If I'm buying, it really doesn't matter if the coin is in a PCGS or NGC holder. If I'm selling, I'd rather be offering a coin in a PCGS than an NGC or any other holder. In my experience, it's easier to sell a cointhat's worth north of $1000, no matter how nice it may be, when it's in a PCGS holder... a CAC sticker doesn't hurt either. While the majority of my collection resides in PCGS holders, I have @ 20% that's been in their NGC holder since the day I purchased them in the mid-late 90's.

Let's look at a couple examples:

Example #1 - 1808 HE. I purchased this coin 3-4 months ago at a very good price in an NGC AU-55 holder. I originally bought it with the intent to sell it for a modest profit. I knew it would be a stretch for PCGS to cross it at grade, so I submitted it for crossover @ minimum AU-50. It came back as an AU-53, and dog gone it, this girl really grew on me to the point where I've decided to keep it.


Example #2 - 1859-C HE. Recently purchased also. This is a coin that speaks for itself... accurately, if not undergraded at NGC AU-53. Exceptionally crusty, original skin that speaks for itself. It'll stay as is, in the holder it's in, for since the day I purchased it, I knew it wouldn't be going anywhere for a long time.



'dude

Walkerfan

Originally posted by: BillJones

For me the coin needs to be graded by NGC or PCGS. Either service is fine with me. I buy the coin.

I am more concerned about the grade than the holder, as long it is PCGS or NGC only.

Justacommeman

Originally posted by: Walkerfan

Originally posted by: BillJones

For me the coin needs to be graded by NGC or PCGS. Either service is fine with me. I buy the coin.

I am more concerned about the grade than the holder, as long it is PCGS or NGC only.

I'll take it a step further. I'm more concerned with the coin then the grade on the holder. I just like the final resting place to be in a PCGS holder



mark

Walkerfan

Originally posted by: Justacommeman

Originally posted by: Walkerfan

Originally posted by: BillJones

For me the coin needs to be graded by NGC or PCGS. Either service is fine with me. I buy the coin.

I am more concerned about the grade than the holder, as long it is PCGS or NGC only.

I'll take it a step further. I'm more concerned with the coin then the grade on the holder. I just like the final resting place to be in a PCGS holder



mark

I didn't explain myself well enough. I meant that the coin's not under-graded.



For example--It would bother me more to have a true 65 coin in a PCGS 64 holder than a true 65 in an NGC 65 holder.



That is the only way I'd crack a coin---to get the proper grade not the proper holder.

jonruns

Charlotte Dude -- I really like your 1859-C...personally I wouldn't know how to grade it...all of that date seem to have that poor strike on the reverse...personally I might try to cross for a +...and get a CAC seal on it...if you don't already have one...

Cougar1978

No - I have coins in NGC, ANACS, and ICG holders in addition to PCGS which makes up the majority of my coins. I have all kinds pf deals offered to me. These are the 4 grading services accepted by Ebay. I would go nuts and broke trying to get everything in the same holder. Plus I refuse to accept downgrades. For me its the coin, not necessarily the holder. I price them basically the same though the make offer of the BIN / Make Offer may be lower for non PCGS considering if more room for discount. My non PCGS / NGC coins are under $100 cost each, many are World Coins. I go by Krause CV (NGC online guides) or estimate on World Coins slabbed or raw on pricing so the holder game not something I would spend money on for these.

I do prefer PCGS for a number of reasons but I really like their inventory manager which can be downloaded to excel and makes inventory pricing, accounting easy. Coin Facts is another reason main reason in addition to market factors.