Israeli hiker finds rare, 2,000-year-old gold coin

TopographicOceans

From the year A.D. 107,

From the BBC link I posted below

oih82w8

"The authority said she will receive a certificate of appreciation for handing over the coin."



What???

crazyhounddog

Originally posted by: oih82w8
"The authority said she will receive a certificate of appreciation for handing over the coin."

What???

Yeah, really nice of them to do so . What the hell?

CaptHenway

Originally posted by: oih82w8

"The authority said she will receive a certificate of appreciation for handing over the coin."



What???

Yep.

TwoSides2aCoin

" With that COA (certificate of appreciation) plus $5 USD , one could get a cup of coffee in the good old U.S. of A. , then take a hike along many of our trails, and possibly kick an old can along the way which is full of gold coins. Not a lot of history there, but a great tale, just the same." (sorry to go off the trail, boys)


~ The Saddle Ridge Bandit ~

golden

It is better to just keep your mouth shut.

keyman64

That's terrible!

braddick

At least it wasn't a set of worn V nickels.

oih82w8

Originally posted by: braddick

At least it wasn't a set of worn V nickels.

Oh boy!

Outhaul

Originally posted by: golden
It is better to just keep your mouth shut.

silverpop

that is standard protocol over there find some history you must turn it over or face charges



and remember their laws are much tougher on finding historical items then our laws ever will be

Zot

Originally posted by: oih82w8
certificate of appreciation

That's standard in lots of countries.
"We take the gold. Here's a piece of paper. You put that in your pipe and smoke it."
Been there myself. The paper did say "thanks", so at least there's that.

TwoSides2aCoin

Good one Braddick

johnny9434

i dont think the hiker will hand it over the next time. just an opinion.

topstuf

Originally posted by: crazyhounddog

Originally posted by: oih82w8

"The authority said she will receive a certificate of appreciation for handing over the coin."



What???

Yeah, really nice of them to do so . What the hell?

One should always know the definition of, "pocket."

coindeuce

Paging SmEagle1795 !



And 2nd of only two known makes it Uber rare !

coindeuce

Originally posted by: Outhaul

Originally posted by: golden

It is better to just keep your mouth shut.

Trying to smuggle or peddle a coin like that out of Israel would be like trying to smuggle into/out of the USA or peddle a '33 Saint .

epcjimi1

Potential PBS Nova special about the coin, conclusions, ramifications, impacts on global society, forever to be shown during PBS donation solicitation week.

What a crock.

MHO

leothelyon

You would think this would be no different than finding a bag of cash and turning it in to the proper authorities. Of course, if no-one claims it, the money should go back to the finder. I mean, they could have given her a few sheep burgers.... The other odd thing, not much info on exactly how a 2000 year old coin avoids detection for, well.......2000 years and just pops up out of nowhere and suddenly becomes visible for discovery.


Leo

dpoole

What beautiful shape that coin is in! Good ol' gold.... And the history that's there! What a wonderful find!

BillJones

Originally posted by: silverpop
that is standard protocol over there find some history you must turn it over or face charges

and remember their laws are much tougher on finding historical items then our laws ever will be

Remember this the next time you feel the urge to vote for a socialist.

WillieBoyd2

The woman who found the coin apparently is an honest person.

Why would anyone suggest that she steal the coin?

epcjimi1

This was found above ground, in the grass, amazing, the promotion never ends

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sellitstore

Those shifting sands of time can leave an object buried for 2000 years before a cloudburst and downpour or just the wind reveals it. Buried ancient coins still come to the surface on their own all the time in areas where they were used.

I'm surprised that none of the five photos show the better reverse type that I saw in a video of this story. I didn't see exactly which one it was but it wasn't one of the standard Deity types and this is what would make it particularly rare.

WillieBoyd2

The online articles state that the coin has a picture of Emperor Augustus and was a commemorative issued by Emperor Trajan.

Only one other copy is known and it is in the British Museum.

Some online articles have pictures of both sides, the reverse has Roman military standards.

FaberCastell

Kudos to her... she did the right thing.

The coin belongs in a museum so everyone can enjoy it.

hchcoin

Very cool discovery.

epcjimi1

Originally posted by: silverpop
and remember their laws are much tougher on finding historical items then our laws ever will be

Don't count on it

golden

Originally posted by: FaberCastell
Kudos to her... she did the right thing.

The coin belongs in a museum so everyone can enjoy it.

Where no one will ever see it.

silverpop

Remember this the next time you feel the urge to vote for a socialist.

where did I ever say I voted or cared for political junk is my question



please point that thread or statement out to me cause I sure don't remember saying



anything in the general area of voting or political issues

FaberCastell

Originally posted by: golden

Originally posted by: FaberCastell
Kudos to her... she did the right thing.

The coin belongs in a museum so everyone can enjoy it.

Where no one will ever see it.

Better than collecting dust in a private collection where only ONE person will see it.

DollarAfterDollar

Now the government will put it in a museum where it will sit in a back room forgotten for the next 50 years.

Handing it over was not the wise choice IMO.

PerryHall

Originally posted by: WillieBoyd2

The woman who found the coin apparently is an honest person.



Why would anyone suggest that she steal the coin?

I thought it was the government that stole the coin from the finder.

coindeuce

This coin may not end up being on public display for an indeterminate time simply for security reasons, as is already the case for the venues like the Royal British Museum. However, coins like this are almost always accessible to credentialed researchers. It isn't like it is considered a national treasure as some of the U.S. coins are which are kept secured at the Smithsonian. Even those have been made accessible periodically to credentialed numismatists that many of us know. Most of the general population of many nations would have no awareness or recognition of super rare coins even if they were available for viewing on a regular basis.

coindeuce

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: WillieBoyd2

The woman who found the coin apparently is an honest person.



Why would anyone suggest that she steal the coin?

I thought it was the government that stole the coin from the finder.

I don't recall any remarks in the news report indicating that the Israeli Antiquities Authority seized the coin by stealth or by physical force.

Do you ?

silverpop

i'd do the same thing as she did most likely cause I was taught to be honest and open

SmEagle1795

Originally posted by: coindeuce
Paging SmEagle1795 !

And 2nd of only two known makes it Uber rare !

It is a truly incredible coin, much more historic than a "normal" Augustus aureus. Trajan Restoration aurei of Julius Caesar are more "plentiful" (i.e. known in around a dozen or so examples) but Augustus is very rare. It isn't hard to find a unique coin in ancients but that generally depends on how narrowly you look (i.e. by die variety). This is a more substantial find as it is an exceptionally rare type from a very tough series. If this were to be sold on the open market, it would easily realize upwards of $50K.

I don't mind it going to a museum (although the way the UK does it is much fairer to the finder) but many museums dislike coins for the difficulty in displaying them and end up not giving them the appreciation they deserve.

BillJones

Originally posted by: silverpop

Remember this the next time you feel the urge to vote for a socialist.

where did I ever say I voted or cared for political junk is my question

please point that thread or statement out to me cause I sure don't remember saying

anything in the general area of voting or political issues

Because that is the political philosophy behind this seizure.

You made a statement that supports the "right" of the state to seize property with no due process. That is a political statement.

BillJones

Originally posted by: FaberCastell

Originally posted by: golden

Originally posted by: FaberCastell
Kudos to her... she did the right thing.

The coin belongs in a museum so everyone can enjoy it.

Where no one will ever see it.

Better than collecting dust in a private collection where only ONE person will see it.

You need to study more about what happens items that end up museums. It's not a pretty story. There is a difference between your perceptions and reality.

BillJones

Under this philosophy, the gold coins that Kagins auctioned a year or so should have gone to the Federal Government.

silverpop

coindeuce

Originally posted by: BillJones

Under this philosophy, the gold coins that Kagins auctioned a year or so should have gone to the Federal Government.

Not so Bill. Those coins were discovered on deeded private property. You're confusing the issue with property found on Federal Land which is under the auspices of the Federal Bureau of Land Management. There are many areas in the Superstition Mountains for example, where any thing taken from on or under the ground belongs to the Federal Government. And encroaching unlawfully on BLM land can be very dangerous or deadly,as the Bundy's and Levoy Finicum have learned.

silverpop

bill



please read my questions again cause you missed answering them



and a blanket answer isn't going to work

TwoSides2aCoin

Isn't there an old cliche' "When in Rome, do as the Romans" ? So it is in most parts of the world. Render unto Ceasar. In this case, other countries have the authority to maintain their history and even piece it back together. This woman is very nice, compared to what some have and continue to do , just to destroy the past and bury it…as done to ancient structures, along with centuries old antiquities that taught us history of the old world.


I'm glad the woman turned the item in, in closing.

ShadyDave

Originally posted by: FaberCastell

Originally posted by: golden

Originally posted by: FaberCastell
Kudos to her... she did the right thing.

The coin belongs in a museum so everyone can enjoy it.

Where no one will ever see it.

Better than collecting dust in a private collection where only ONE person will see it.

While I agree that it should be in a museum, the finder should have gotten a bounty, say 25% of the value of the item or higher. That would incentivize people to come forward while rewarding honesty and preserving history.


You must have missed the thread that highlights our very own "TradeDollarNut" who owns the 1794 $1 put it on tour in Europe (in Ireland right now) at a free exhibition.

keyman64

Originally posted by: FaberCastell

Originally posted by: golden

Originally posted by: FaberCastell

Kudos to her... she did the right thing.



The coin belongs in a museum so everyone can enjoy it.

Where no one will ever see it.

Better than collecting dust in a private collection where only ONE person will see it.

Robert, you are frequently incorrect. Ask TDN about the tour his coin, 1794 $1, is on across Europe right now. Or how about the 1913 V Nickels that have gone on so many tours. Many many examples.



Read up on these forums about coins that are locked up in the Smithsonian for very very very few to see. That's a terrible shame.



Read this thread about some very special access granted to very lucky people and see all of the special coins that hardly anyone ever gets to see.

There are a few threads like this by the way.

BillJones

Applying the theory that the coins in the Smithsonian are "the people's coins," the photos of those coins should be available to those would wish to use them for educational, non profit purposes. They aren't. I tried and have gotten nowhere. Ditto for the Boston Public Library and the gold Washington before Boston medal.

Heritage, on the other hand, lets me use their photos so long as I give them credit, which I am very happy to do. So there is your example of the museum versus the "evil" private sector.

Boosibri

I always look down around the beaches near my house. It is the site where the Vikings landed and first settled in Ireland. There are old shipwrecks within view when the tide goes out in the summer time, one reportedly carried norse treasure. The hill next to my house is where St. Patrick once gave mass and an old stone house stands at the top. You never know what you will find on a walk and I always look around but no luck...yet.

BillJones

Originally posted by: keyman64

Originally posted by: FaberCastell

Originally posted by: golden

Originally posted by: FaberCastell
Kudos to her... she did the right thing.

The coin belongs in a museum so everyone can enjoy it.

Where no one will ever see it.

Better than collecting dust in a private collection where only ONE person will see it.

Robert, you are frequently incorrect. Ask TDN about the tour his coin, 1794 $1, is on across Europe right now. Or how about the 1913 V Nickels that have gone on so many tours. Many many examples.

Read up on these forums about coins that are locked up in the Smithsonian for very very very few to see. That's a terrible shame.

Read this thread about some very special access granted to very lucky people and see all of the special coins that hardly anyone ever gets to see.
There are a few threads like this by the way.

An 18 year old intern has a better chance at seeing the coins in the Smithsonian than a 65 year old numismatist who has studied coins for 50 years.

TopographicOceans

BBC article

ricko

Britain has a much better program for found coins... the object(s) are evaluated, valued and the

finder and landowner are paid by the museum. This is incentive to turn over such valuable finds for historical purposes. A 'Thank you' note pales in comparison. Another point.... found material, discovered through searching or by accident, becomes, at the moment, property of the finder. Disposition then becomes a matter of choice. Cheers, RickO