Wow. Simply applauding the girl for doing the right thing (not to mention that she followed Israeli law) seems to have touched a nerve or two.
The coin is practically unique given only one other is known to exist. I would call such an item a national treasure, one that surely does NOT belong in private hands.
Such treasures belong in a museum, in my opinion, where knowledgeable professionals have the resources to ensure that the item will be preserved for future generations.
Having the funds to simply purchase the item in a private transaction does not automatically qualify that person to be a good caretaker.
I would entrust a museum, who values the item for its historical significance, as opposed to the individual, who may also value it for the same reason but who cannot resist attaching a monetary value to it as well.
You give museums too much credit. You might think that these items are preserved for the public, but in many cases they are locked away where on one but privileged people get to see. You might think that museums have a greatest curators and preservers, but many of the coins in the National Collection at the Smithsonian were harshly cleaned years ago.
You might think that collector who donates an outstanding collection to a museum to be displayed the public is doing a public service. The truth is unless that collector also provides an endowment to pay for the display of that collection, the chances that those items will be displayed are up to the whim of the museum management.
I'm not drawing this out of the air. It's based upon what I have read and conversations with dealers in the numismatic and political items field.
Just look at the Smithsonian. The vast major of that collection is not available to the public in any form. It's only available to the big shots with pull, and to young numismatists who are deemed worthy, whatever that means. I can't get pictures of those coins to use in an exhibit or a presentation to other collectors or the pubic.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
I think we got aliens mummified in the Smithsonian that only a few space people have seen. I know we definitely, as do all nations, have bones in the closet.
The other odd thing, not much info on exactly how a 2000 year old coin avoids detection for, well.......2000 years and just pops up out of nowhere and suddenly becomes visible for discovery.
Like a coke bottle from the sky, to bring up another movie.
Originally posted by: BillJones You give museums too much credit. You might think that these items are preserved for the public, but in many cases they are locked away where on one but privileged people get to see. You might think that museums have a greatest curators and preservers, but many of the coins in the National Collection at the Smithsonian were harshly cleaned years ago.
You might think that collector who donates an outstanding collection to a museum to be displayed the public is doing a public service. The truth is unless that collector also provides an endowment to pay for the display of that collection, the chances that those items will be displayed are up to the whim of the museum management.
I'm not drawing this out of the air. It's based upon what I have read and conversations with dealers in the numismatic and political items field.
Just look at the Smithsonian. The vast major of that collection is not available to the public in any form. It's only available to the big shots with pull, and to young numismatists who are deemed worthy, whatever that means. I can't get pictures of those coins to use in an exhibit or a presentation to other collectors or the pubic.
Originally posted by: FaberCastell Wow. Simply applauding the girl for doing the right thing (not to mention that she followed Israeli law) seems to have touched a nerve or two.
The coin is practically unique given only one other is known to exist. I would call such an item a national treasure, one that surely does NOT belong in private hands.
Such treasures belong in a museum, in my opinion, where knowledgeable professionals have the resources to ensure that the item will be preserved for future generations.
Having the funds to simply purchase the item in a private transaction does not automatically qualify that person to be a good caretaker.
I would entrust a museum, who values the item for its historical significance, as opposed to the individual, who may also value it for the same reason but who cannot resist attaching a monetary value to it as well.
Therein lies the difference.
I see your point. But if you truly believe this, wouldn't this also apply to a coin like the 1794 Dollar that belongs to TDN? This coin is believed to be the first silver dollar struck by the United States. That makes it unique. I would call that a true national treasure.
Perhaps TDN should be forced to turn this coin over to the government and of course he would be rewarded with a certificate of gratitude for his public service.
If you believe the Roman coin should have been taken without remuneration, then you must believe that TDN's silver dollar should also be impounded by the government. To think otherwise would by hypocrisy.
That is just one significant rarity. There are many others. Hundreds. If you are going down that path then I would assume that they all should be "donated".
Don't worry, I am from the government. I am here to help you.
Originally posted by: BillJones You give museums too much credit. You might think that these items are preserved for the public, but in many cases they are locked away where on one but privileged people get to see. You might think that museums have a greatest curators and preservers, but many of the coins in the National Collection at the Smithsonian were harshly cleaned years ago.
You might think that collector who donates an outstanding collection to a museum to be displayed the public is doing a public service. The truth is unless that collector also provides an endowment to pay for the display of that collection, the chances that those items will be displayed are up to the whim of the museum management.
I'm not drawing this out of the air. It's based upon what I have read and conversations with dealers in the numismatic and political items field.
Just look at the Smithsonian. The vast major of that collection is not available to the public in any form. It's only available to the big shots with pull, and to young numismatists who are deemed worthy, whatever that means. I can't get pictures of those coins to use in an exhibit or a presentation to other collectors or the pubic.
I sense your frustration and would not for one minute hold in doubt the unfortunate experiences you have described. Museums are not infallible, that's for sure, but I would still maintain - especially in this case – that the individual made the right decision in the best long-term interests of her country. To me, this far outweighs any short-term problems encountered by the public, examples of which you have provided.
Let's not go there with what happened to the Athenian Dekadrachmas and what happened at the Turkish museum when they were "repatriated" to the museum where they came from!
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
I may be alone on this, but I believe if you want something 'preserved for posterity' do it with your own money. Maybe I don't. I thought I had that choice. This applies to coins, history, land, and monuments.
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The coin is practically unique given only one other is known to exist. I would call such an item a national treasure, one that surely does NOT belong in private hands.
Such treasures belong in a museum, in my opinion, where knowledgeable professionals have the resources to ensure that the item will be preserved for future generations.
Having the funds to simply purchase the item in a private transaction does not automatically qualify that person to be a good caretaker.
I would entrust a museum, who values the item for its historical significance, as opposed to the individual, who may also value it for the same reason but who cannot resist attaching a monetary value to it as well.
Therein lies the difference.
You might think that collector who donates an outstanding collection to a museum to be displayed the public is doing a public service. The truth is unless that collector also provides an endowment to pay for the display of that collection, the chances that those items will be displayed are up to the whim of the museum management.
I'm not drawing this out of the air. It's based upon what I have read and conversations with dealers in the numismatic and political items field.
Just look at the Smithsonian. The vast major of that collection is not available to the public in any form. It's only available to the big shots with pull, and to young numismatists who are deemed worthy, whatever that means. I can't get pictures of those coins to use in an exhibit or a presentation to other collectors or the pubic.
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The other odd thing, not much info on exactly how a 2000 year old coin avoids detection for, well.......2000 years and just pops up out of nowhere and suddenly becomes visible for discovery.
Like a coke bottle from the sky, to bring up another movie.
Lance.
You give museums too much credit. You might think that these items are preserved for the public, but in many cases they are locked away where on one but privileged people get to see. You might think that museums have a greatest curators and preservers, but many of the coins in the National Collection at the Smithsonian were harshly cleaned years ago.
You might think that collector who donates an outstanding collection to a museum to be displayed the public is doing a public service. The truth is unless that collector also provides an endowment to pay for the display of that collection, the chances that those items will be displayed are up to the whim of the museum management.
I'm not drawing this out of the air. It's based upon what I have read and conversations with dealers in the numismatic and political items field.
Just look at the Smithsonian. The vast major of that collection is not available to the public in any form. It's only available to the big shots with pull, and to young numismatists who are deemed worthy, whatever that means. I can't get pictures of those coins to use in an exhibit or a presentation to other collectors or the pubic.
Wow. Simply applauding the girl for doing the right thing (not to mention that she followed Israeli law) seems to have touched a nerve or two.
The coin is practically unique given only one other is known to exist. I would call such an item a national treasure, one that surely does NOT belong in private hands.
Such treasures belong in a museum, in my opinion, where knowledgeable professionals have the resources to ensure that the item will be preserved for future generations.
Having the funds to simply purchase the item in a private transaction does not automatically qualify that person to be a good caretaker.
I would entrust a museum, who values the item for its historical significance, as opposed to the individual, who may also value it for the same reason but who cannot resist attaching a monetary value to it as well.
Therein lies the difference.
I see your point. But if you truly believe this, wouldn't this also apply to a coin like the 1794 Dollar that belongs to TDN? This coin is believed to be the first silver dollar struck by the United States. That makes it unique. I would call that a true national treasure.
Perhaps TDN should be forced to turn this coin over to the government and of course he would be rewarded with a certificate of gratitude for his public service.
If you believe the Roman coin should have been taken without remuneration, then you must believe that TDN's silver dollar should also be impounded by the government. To think otherwise would by hypocrisy.
That is just one significant rarity. There are many others. Hundreds. If you are going down that path then I would assume that they all should be "donated".
Don't worry, I am from the government. I am here to help you.
You give museums too much credit. You might think that these items are preserved for the public, but in many cases they are locked away where on one but privileged people get to see. You might think that museums have a greatest curators and preservers, but many of the coins in the National Collection at the Smithsonian were harshly cleaned years ago.
You might think that collector who donates an outstanding collection to a museum to be displayed the public is doing a public service. The truth is unless that collector also provides an endowment to pay for the display of that collection, the chances that those items will be displayed are up to the whim of the museum management.
I'm not drawing this out of the air. It's based upon what I have read and conversations with dealers in the numismatic and political items field.
Just look at the Smithsonian. The vast major of that collection is not available to the public in any form. It's only available to the big shots with pull, and to young numismatists who are deemed worthy, whatever that means. I can't get pictures of those coins to use in an exhibit or a presentation to other collectors or the pubic.
I sense your frustration and would not for one minute hold in doubt the unfortunate experiences you have described. Museums are not infallible, that's for sure, but I would still maintain - especially in this case – that the individual made the right decision in the best long-term interests of her country. To me, this far outweighs any short-term problems encountered by the public, examples of which you have provided.
Good day, sir.
Well, just Love coins, period.
I would have had the coin graded and then auctioned it off.
…. if I found it in America, but I sure wouldn't want to "smuggle" out such a coin, although that would be a bigger news story.
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Maybe I don't.
I thought I had that choice.
This applies to coins, history, land, and monuments.