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2016 Mark Twain Commems (16CL, 16CK, 16CJ, 16CH) -- Final

BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 30, 2017 8:32AM in U.S. Coin Forum
Final sales data can be found here:
2016 Mark Twain Weekly Sales Data

Original Post:
Sales starts in 3 weeks!


The mint has put up placeholder pages for the 2016 Twain Commems:
Mark Twain 2016 Uncirculated Silver Dollar
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Mark Twain 2016 Proof Silver Dollar
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Mark Twain 2016 $5 Gold Uncirculated Coin
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Mark Twain 2016 $5 Gold Proof Coin
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The mint has also released the laser frosting pattern used on the coins:

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Blue: Heavy Frosting
Orange: Standard Frosting
Purple: Light Frosting
Yellow: Proof Surface

Other Stuff:
Release date: Jan 14, 2016 @ Noon Eastern

Mintage:
100K $5 Gold
350K $1 Silver

Silver Pricing has been posted to the Federal Register:
Coin Introductory price Regular price
Silver Proof $45.95 $50.95
Silver Uncirculated 44.95 49.95
Gold will be priced as per the standard $5 Gold Commem schedule at time of release.


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Goodness. I like both coins. I would buy both gold over the Pt proof, I think...

$1 Silver:
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$5 Gold:
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Mint's Press Release:
Mark Twain Commemorative Coin Designs Unveiled

Mintage:
100K Gold
350K Silver

No household limits or release dates announced.
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  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I've often said about mint drawings to show what a coin will look like,

    it may be fine on paper with shading, but how it translates into metal may be significantly different
  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's going to be one busy dollar coin.
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  • Can't wait for these to be available. Wonder when they'll be on sale.
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Has Obama seen this? He would be outraged. I see tabbacco and the burning of fossile fuels being glamorized. I'll have to stop into Starbucks to talk to my local progressive folks about taking action on this.
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark Twain is probably laughing at the coin's motto "In God We Trust".


    At least this one is not another military issue, although he was in the Confederate army for two weeks.


    Mark Twain has been on a United States "coin" before, a 1981 one ounce gold medal:


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    American Arts Commemorative Series 1981 medal - Mark Twain


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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way too busy reverse, get rid of the knight .... super ugly.



  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm definitely going to buy these.


    When I first saw the design for the dollar, I thought that the "knight" was Joan of Arc,

    because Mark Twain spent ten years researching her and published a book in 1895.


    However, the knight is from his novel "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court".


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  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,812 ✭✭✭
    Great designs for a great American writer!



    I like Don Everhart's portrait on the $5 piece. I've seen his plaster work-in-progress, and it's very impressive. I think it will make a neat little gold coin.



  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Think I'll p*****, maybe next time.

    The word I was trying to type starts with P, then an A, then S and another S.
  • USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was just thinking the other day we didn't have enough frogs on our coins but now I see it's been taken care of.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,194 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like them both, too, but especially the $5 piece with the steamboat.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I haven't bought a coin directly from the Mint since the 1970s but the Twain dollar looks cool. Clemens spend some time here in Buffalo and is buried in Elmira, NY. Just a simple grave stone on the grave.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,194 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am always struck by the similarities in both appearance and style between Twain and Kurt Vonnegut, Junior. It's almost like Vonnegut was a reincarnation in many ways.

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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭
    I stopped buying silver commems years ago. I already have about 40 different ones.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I multiply the mintage by the price, and think about what that amount of money, multiplied by all the other modern mint products and privately minted items churned out every year, would do if invested in the market for old rare coins, it really puts things in perspective. There is apparently no end to the things that will be commemorated on coins and metals out into the infinite future. Nothing against Mark Twain in particular, but once again, I'll pass.

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  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I teach high school English and our core novel for the junior cl*****es is "Huck Finn" I also have the kids study Twain as a man (starting with sections of Ken Burns' documentary). Up to this point, I have distributed a couple period Liberty $20s so the kids can feel and see the pair or $20s that are put on the board in the river by the bounty hunters . . . and I p***** out contemporary change so they can see half cents, large cents, etc. that were circulating at that time.



    I will buy one of these . . . just so the students can see that I am not the only one who has found value and significance in Twain. It'll make a nice handout (in an AirTite!).



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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What no Half Dollar?



    How does the Mint deceide wether to strike a half dollar or not?

    GrandAm :)
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice designs.... I like the $5 gold coin... would prefer to see it on a larger coin though.

    Cheers, RickO
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanLord
    As I've often said about mint drawings to show what a coin will look like,
    it may be fine on paper with shading, but how it translates into metal may be significantly different



    While I agree, there have been a couple of surprises, such as the Blue Ridge quarter and the 2015 Au Liberty HR. I was unimpressed with the line art, but thought the actual execution looked much better.



    The silver might be a bit busy in-hand, but I think the gold will translate well.



    Originally posted by: ricko
    Nice designs.... I like the $5 gold coin... would prefer to see it on a larger coin though.
    Cheers, RickO



    Yeah, put it on a 5oz Ag puck or even a 3" bronze. (I have a romanticized vision of paddleboats on the Mississippi. So what if the boilers blew up...)
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The mint released the 2016 Mark Twain hi-rez images on their images page today...



    (images deleted, moved to top post...)




    Still no 2016 product schedule posted...
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    What is he smoking that Huck Finn comes out of his pipe?
  • brendanlambrendanlam Posts: 662 ✭✭✭
    Imagine what will be the budget for next year (2016) mint products.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Samuel Clemens buys one, it wouldn't surprise me.
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TopographicOceans
    What is he smoking that Huck Finn comes out of his pipe?



    It was Samuel Clemens. His reputation would dictate it wasn't tobacco.



    HAhahahaha....
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bump for updates in message 1...
  • Originally posted by: GRANDAM
    What no Half Dollar?

    How does the Mint deceide wether to strike a half dollar or not?


    The legislation that goes through Congress and is signed into law by the president determines the specifics of a new coin program... which denominations are to be struck, metal content, maximum mintages, dhow the designs are to be selected, etc.

    The Mint simply follows the law...
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  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: USMarine6

    I was just thinking the other day we didn't have enough frogs on our coins but now I see it's been taken care of.




    Too funny.



    But after a quick search, I'm thinking of starting a collection. image



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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: GRANDAM
    What no Half Dollar?

    How does the Mint deceide wether to strike a half dollar or not?


    I think Congress decides if there will be a half dollar. It's too bad there isn't one. The half dollar is more affordable for young collectors, and it also is used in the young collectors' sets.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,719 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While the design looks promising, it just does not have that look. As an example to illustrate my point, look at the Illinois commem portrait of Lincoln and then look at this. The craftsmanship is missing as is the relief which makes the coin.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think Twain looks a bit cartoonish in both depictions but like the riverboat; the rev. of the dollar is just to busy and distracting IMO.
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  • 53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: GRANDAM
    What no Half Dollar?

    The Mint doesn't decide, Congress does.

    How does the Mint deceide wether to strike a half dollar or not?


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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: WillieBoyd2

    Mark Twain is probably laughing at the coin's motto "In God We Trust".



    At least this one is not another military issue, although he was in the Confederate army for two weeks.



    Mark Twain has been on a United States "coin" before, a 1981 one ounce gold medal:



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    American Arts Commemorative Series 1981 medal - Mark Twain



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    Nice issue but with a mintage of 116,371 1981 medals, I'm sure the coin will have a much lower mintage.
  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Hydrant

    ...who would have ever thought that the new trend in coin design would be frogs?




    I'm guessing this design theme isn't a big hit in France.

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  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will get the silver ones already graded PR70 & MS70 for both 2016 commem issues to finish my box of 20 commems and that will be all.
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  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: FaberCastell
    Originally posted by: GRANDAM
    What no Half Dollar?

    How does the Mint deceide wether to strike a half dollar or not?


    The legislation that goes through Congress and is signed into law by the president determines the specifics of a new coin program... which denominations are to be struck, metal content, maximum mintages, dhow the designs are to be selected, etc.

    The Mint simply follows the law...



    I can't remember the last time the mint offered two clad commens in the same year. I don't think they issued any in 2010 or 2012. In 2011, Army got one, but MoH did not. 2013, 5-star generals got one, but Girl Scouts did not. 2014, BBHoF got one, but Civil Rights did not. Last year, Marshalls got a clad, but MoD did not.



    Seems the mint is pressing out a full set of commems for one issue, and only the silver or silver/gold commems for the alternate yearly issue.
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: COCollector
    Originally posted by: USMarine6
    I was just thinking the other day we didn't have enough frogs on our coins but now I see it's been taken care of.


    Too funny.

    But after a quick search, I'm thinking of starting a collection. image

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    You can add the clad version of the NPS commem to your list... image



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    I suspect some sort of Kermit Konspiracy...
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "In Frog We Trust"?



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  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One week! Mint finally has pages and pics up.



    $5 Gold Proof: Mark Twain 2016 $5 Gold Proof Coin (16CH)

    $5 Gold Uncirc: Mark Twain 2016 $5 Gold Uncirculated Coin (16CJ)

    $1 Silver Proof: Mark Twain 2016 Proof Silver Dollar (16CK)

    $1 Silver Uncirc: Mark Twain 2016 Uncirculated Silver Dollar (16CL)



    Gold mintage: 100K

    Silver mintage: 350K

    Product Limit: None

    Household Order Limit: None




    Not appreciating China driving up the price of gold. If gold stays above $1100, the proof will be $381.15, the uncirc will be $376.15. (If the weekly average falls below $1100, the prices will be $369.00 and $364.00 respectively.)



    Introductory price for the silver proof will be $45.95, the uncirc will be $44.95. (Wasn't the price spread between the proof and uncirc more than a dollar previously?)
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭




    I have no plans for any coins from this program. Thanks Mint for helping me break my bad buying habits.



    Horrible Coins are sometimes a very good thing for "Collectors".
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am a big time Twain fan, so I may pull the trigger. I hope it's a flop so I'm not tempted to sell them. image
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  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In a surprise move, the mint has pushed back the release of the silver coins (16CL and 16CK) two weeks to January 27, to insure there's enough product to handle the launch of the commems.



    That means they get to ding you on shipping twice, should you not want to wait.



    Better to to this than have some cluster- next Thursday, I guess...
  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BackroadJunkie

    In a surprise move, the mint has pushed back the release of the silver coins (16CL and 16CK) two weeks to January 27, to insure there's enough product to handle the launch of the commems.




    Now the Silver is missing from the schedule. Mint page for the dollar says

    "This product will be available for sale in 2016." Mint News Blog says release is "To Be Determined"



    It could be 2 weeks, could be next month or December. The mint's mind is a hard thing to read.

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Kudbegud

    Now the Silver is missing from the schedule. Mint page for the dollar says

    "This product will be available for sale in 2016." Mint News Blog says release is "To Be Determined"



    It could be 2 weeks, could be next month or December. The mint's mind is a hard thing to read.




    Maybe it depends on sales of the Gold versions -- which will be released 1/14/2016 at noon (ET).





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  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: COCollector
    Originally posted by: Kudbegud
    Now the Silver is missing from the schedule. Mint page for the dollar says
    "This product will be available for sale in 2016." Mint News Blog says release is "To Be Determined"

    It could be 2 weeks, could be next month or December. The mint's mind is a hard thing to read.


    Maybe it depends on sales of the Gold versions -- which will be released 1/14/2016 at noon (ET).





    Production is mandated by congress critters. The mint will have to release them regardless.



    Makes me wonder if they found an error on the coins or packaging for them to have yanked them from the product schedule so close to release.



    So far, average gold price is still higher than $1100. How fast will they sell the 100K? (Maybe 60-65K proofs and 35-40K uncircs?) It might be a gamble to wait a week to see if the gold price comes down if the gold spot average stays above $1100.



    I'd wait, but the bbhof gold caught me by surprise...
  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭
    In a surprise move, the mint has pushed back the release of the silver coins (16CL and 16CK) two weeks to January 27, to insure there's enough product to handle the launch of the commems.

    That means they get to ding you on shipping twice, should you not want to wait.

    Better to to this than have some cluster- next Thursday, I guess...





    The mint will only charge you once even if they have to ship your items twice.
  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: pf70collector

    In a surprise move, the mint has pushed back the release of the silver coins (16CL and 16CK) two weeks to January 27, to insure there's enough product to handle the launch of the commems.



    That means they get to ding you on shipping twice, should you not want to wait.



    Better to to this than have some cluster- next Thursday, I guess...










    The mint will only charge you once even if they have to ship your items twice.


    True, there is only one shipping charge for an order with multiple items shipping as multiple times. However, if you purchase the gold Thursday and the silver when its released in the future there would be a new shipping charge for the silver order. This isn't a major factor in the buying decision for me or a factor to the mint.



    I think this separation of gold and silver coins is due to a glitch discovered by the mint as surmised by others. The glitch could be reveled after Thursdays gold debut along with an estimated availability date.


  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any update on when the silver dollar will be out, and why they are at different dates?
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  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    Any update on when the silver dollar will be out, and why they are at different dates?




    I called the Mint a few hours ago. No news on a release date for the silver dollar.



    The gold is still scheduled for this Thursday 1/14/2016.



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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: COCollector

    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    Any update on when the silver dollar will be out, and why they are at different dates?




    I called the Mint a few hours ago. No news on a release date for the silver dollar.



    The gold is still scheduled for this Thursday 1/14/2016.







    Thx.
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  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin Update published this explanation: LINK

    " ...the Mint has to print and process new certificates before it can move ahead with the release"

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