What? Coins rattling in the package? Surely you are pulling my lariat. How is the flip going? J/W
No flip. I don't play that game (at least not since the Buffalo C&C set came out in 2001; I sold three of those).
I just get one set of all the Mint commem issues as they come out as a collection. I generally just keep them in the original Mint packaging, and don't have them graded.
From what I've read here, the open plastic capsule during shipping has been a frequent problem, although It's only happened to me two or three times, and luckily the coins haven't appeared damaged.
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The release was delayed 2.5 weeks by an error on the CoA. The silver was yanked so close to release date, that I'm sure they had the pre-struck coins packaged and ready to go, which means opening up every single package and replacing the CoA. How many error CoA's will make it into the wild? Will the TPG's slab the error CoA? Will they require the OGP be kept sealed so they can certify that the error CoA came with the coin?
Originally posted by: BackroadJunkie
These were going to go into my collection raw, but if by week 3 the mint hasn't released more gold, then I may send mine in.
Hmmmm... The silver will get released Feb 1. The Mint's next sales figures (post Ag release) should be out by Feb 8 or 9, over a week until the FS/ER cut-off dates. (I assume. I got mine on Jan 19.) If the gold commems get a boost while still on backorder, I will ponder getting the gold slabbed. Should Au sales remain dismal without the MS version going to backorder, I may just download an MP3 of a toilet flushing instead. It would be a lot less expensive.
It's a good thing I bought these 'cause I like 'em...
Still no official FS cut off date. Link Actuall, no 2016 dated coins have a date posted.
I called last week and was told "they" hadn't decide yet. I asked if it was possible a date could be decided that was prior, or back dated, to a date before it was posted. Example: Cut Off Date of February 1st posted on February 2nd. She didn't really have an answer.
Time line so far:
Gold Mark Twain coins on sale 1/14
First shipped 1/15
First received by customers and sent for grading 1/16
First received by PCGS 1/17
Population report posted here 1/23
No cut off date for FS posted or by phone query aprox 1/27
Normal cut off date would be 2/15-17 if precedent followed
The PCGS First Strike program designates coins issued in the first 30 days of the Mint's release. 30 days is mentioned several times in reference to a FS time frame.
Will the release of the Silver coins trigger a posted cut off date for both Gold and Silver? Will the the dates be the same? Or will the 30 day rule be observed, just late in posting the date?
Thanks for posting the gold sales. It will be interesting to see the silver sales with the delayed release. Though to be honest this series seems to have little interest here on the forum.
Still no FS cut off date for all 2016 new releases. What is going on in Newport Beach? That's some New Years hang over for you to still be so foggy.
Got the shipped notice email for the silver. This fulfillment company continues the trend of shipping the next day. Great job.
Originally posted by: WillieBoyd2 It is interesting to note that those who waited to order the gold coins until the silver coins were released to save on shipping costs are getting bit as the mint raised the price of the gold coins by $12.
The uncirculated gold coin on January 15 was $359 and today (February 2) it is $371.
But they get the $8 break on the free upgraded shipping! (I'm still bitter I have to pay another $4.95 for smartpost. I'll get over it in an hour or two...)
Yes, all numis gold went up last Wednesday, which may help to nail the coffin on this series. A quick glance around other forums show the MT commem is as popular as rabies.
I wonder if the Monday release (the day after the weekly sales report) is equivalent to politicians dumping documents on Friday afternoon or just before holidays...
They should have just sold the coins with the "bad" certificates and created a minor numismatic oddity.
Later the mint could have mailed corrected certificates to purchasers.
BWAhahahaha... Not unprecedented.
Maybe a month ago, I was cleaning out some desk drawers and came across a letter from the Treasury Department, and it held replacement CoA's for the 2003 silver proof sets I had ordered. The error CoA's show the dime and half to be nickel-copper clad, when it should have been 90% Ag.
I don't even remember requesting them, I think the mint just had them sent to all those who had ordered the silver set.
I never did find out how many sets were issued with the error CoA before it was discovered...
I did purchase a silver proof and uncirculated dollar, but I always planned to.
Same here. Perhaps it's rather telling that the first commem design I bought purely because I liked the design has had one of the worst starts in modern history....
The first day of sales Feb. 1 by the U.S. Mint registered total sales of just 11,500 coins.
They reported today that the figures released were incorrect...
U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White reported Feb. 3 that the opening day of sales generated sales of 23,900 Proof and 9,600 Uncirculated Mark Twain silver dollars. The individual totals are "rounded" and "unaudited," according to White. Another 4,600 Proof and 1,400 Uncirculated Mark Twain silver dollars were sold Feb. 2, White said.
First-day comparisons for 2015 and 2014
In comparison, first-day sales for the 2015-P U.S. Marshals Service 225th anniversary silver dollar were 24,057 for the Proof dollar and 10,200 for the Uncirculated version. First-days sales equaled 6.9 percent of the maximum mintage of 500,000 coins.
The first day of sales for Proof and Uncirculated 2015 March of Dimes silver dollars reached a combined total of 24,376 coins. Mint officials reported 16,436 Proof 2015-W silver dollars sold and 7,940 of the 2015-P silver dollars sold. The combined total was 4.9 percent of the maximum combined authorization of 500,000 Proof and Uncirculated commemorative silver dollars.
For the 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame silver dollar, during the first 12 hours of availability, sales totaled 108,164 of the Proof 2014-P silver dollars and 48,511 of the Uncirculated 2014-P silver dollars out of a combined 400,000 coins available (39.2 percent of the total). The maximum mintage sold out in less than two weeks.
Introductory sales of the 2014-P Civil Rights Act of 1964 silver dollars were lower than those for the Mark Twain silver dollar. The U.S. Mint registered preliminary sales figures from the first 12 hours at 6,600 single Proof coins and 3,073 Uncirculated coins of the 350,000 maximum combined mintage available (2.8 percent of the maximum).
Received my one each of the silver in the mail yesterday. They look perfect to my eye.....but I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other when it comes to predicting the grade to be receive.
Anyway, they are boxed up and on the way to the Post Office shortly.
Still no first strike cut off date for any 2016 dated coin posted on the FS page.
That's fast for Stupid Post. It takes 20 days to get to me. It's the absolute worst way to ship. And what do they save? A few cents? Customer satisfaction be damned. Such poor decision making. I'll bet those in charge don't have to suffer Stupid Post. If they did.......
Silver Twain commems arrived today. The uncirc seems softly struck. It certainly could have benefited from a higher relief. Not sure if it's 70 material...
The multi-density frosting on the proof isn't obtrusively noticeable, but it does effectively differentiate the river from the sky, for example, while still being able to isolate the prominent devices.
I think it looks better in hand that in the photos, but I still like the gold version better.
Uncirc:
Proof:
The mint still hasn't updated their sales total for last week...
I ordered one each of the silver coins today. They will both be 70's as I ordered them already slabbed. I will no longer act as a filter for the mints poorer quality coins.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I ordered one each of the silver coins today. They will both be 70's as I ordered them already slabbed. I will no longer act as a filter for the mints poorer quality coins.
Yes -- for silver coins. Generally I can afford those as already-slabbed 70's.
But the premium for 70's gold & platinum can be too steep for me.
Successful BST transactions with forum members thebigeng, SPalladino, Zoidmeister, coin22lover, coinsarefun, jwitten, CommemKing.
I ordered one each of the silver coins today. They will both be 70's as I ordered them already slabbed. I will no longer act as a filter for the mints poorer quality coins.
Yes -- for silver coins. Generally I can afford those as already-slabbed 70's.
But the premium for 70's gold & platinum can be too steep for me.
I have sold the few gold coins I purchased and now just collect special ASE sets and the
silver commoratives.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
593903 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label, DC PR69DC 593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69 593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70 593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70 593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69 593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69 593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70 593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70 593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70 593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69 593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70 593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70 593895 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label, DC PR70DC 593895 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label, DC PR69DC
According to Coin World, the US Mint is distributing the proceeds for the 2016 Twain Commem.
Final Audited Sales (which differ from the Mint's weekly sales report):
With a $35 surcharge for the gold, and a $10 surcharge for the silver, net surcharge after production and other related costs comes to $1,711,750 . This will be split four ways, with each recipient receiving $427,937.50. Those organizations are:
The Mark Twain House & Museum in Hartford, CT.
The Mark Twain Boyhood Home and Museum in Hannibal, MO.
The University of California, Berkeley, CA.
Elmira College, NY.
(Just as a final non-sequitur, in the computer world, TWAIN was the interface between imaging hardware (e.g. scanners) and software, and was generally recognized to be short for "Technology Without An Interesting Name".)
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No flip. I don't play that game (at least not since the Buffalo C&C set came out in 2001; I sold three of those).
I just get one set of all the Mint commem issues as they come out as a collection. I generally just keep them in the original Mint packaging, and don't have them graded.
From what I've read here, the open plastic capsule during shipping has been a frequent problem, although It's only happened to me two or three times, and luckily the coins haven't appeared damaged.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
Looks like. Feb 1st for Silvers
Thanks!
Proof Link: Mark Twain 2016 Proof Silver Dollar
Uncirc Link: Mark Twain 2016 Uncirculated Silver Dollar
Mintage Limit: 350K
No household limits.
The release was delayed 2.5 weeks by an error on the CoA. The silver was yanked so close to release date, that I'm sure they had the pre-struck coins packaged and ready to go, which means opening up every single package and replacing the CoA. How many error CoA's will make it into the wild? Will the TPG's slab the error CoA? Will they require the OGP be kept sealed so they can certify that the error CoA came with the coin?
These were going to go into my collection raw, but if by week 3 the mint hasn't released more gold, then I may send mine in.
Hmmmm... The silver will get released Feb 1. The Mint's next sales figures (post Ag release) should be out by Feb 8 or 9, over a week until the FS/ER cut-off dates. (I assume. I got mine on Jan 19.) If the gold commems get a boost while still on backorder, I will ponder getting the gold slabbed. Should Au sales remain dismal without the MS version going to backorder, I may just download an MP3 of a toilet flushing instead. It would be a lot less expensive.
It's a good thing I bought these 'cause I like 'em...
I called last week and was told "they" hadn't decide yet. I asked if it was possible a date could be decided that was prior, or back dated, to a date before it was posted. Example: Cut Off Date of February 1st posted on February 2nd. She didn't really have an answer.
Time line so far:
Gold Mark Twain coins on sale 1/14
First shipped 1/15
First received by customers and sent for grading 1/16
First received by PCGS 1/17
Population report posted here 1/23
No cut off date for FS posted or by phone query aprox 1/27
Normal cut off date would be 2/15-17 if precedent followed
The PCGS First Strike program designates coins issued in the first 30 days of the Mint's release. 30 days is mentioned several times in reference to a FS time frame.
Will the release of the Silver coins trigger a posted cut off date for both Gold and Silver? Will the the dates be the same? Or will the 30 day rule be observed, just late in posting the date?
If PCGS won't start the clock until the silver release, then my scenario would go ATS for an ER label...
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1 of each...smooth as silk ordering
Same number, 3 of each though.
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If it's like the gold, I'll bet they sell... hundreds of these today.
Mark Twain, a good author, I'm not buying.
Still no FS cut off date for all 2016 new releases. What is going on in Newport Beach? That's some New Years hang over for you to still be so foggy.
Got the shipped notice email for the silver. This fulfillment company continues the trend of shipping the next day. Great job.
to save on shipping costs are getting bit as the mint raised the price of the gold coins by $12.
The uncirculated gold coin on January 15 was $359 and today (February 2) it is $371.
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It is interesting to note that those who waited to order the gold coins until the silver coins were released to save on shipping costs are getting bit as the mint raised the price of the gold coins by $12.
The uncirculated gold coin on January 15 was $359 and today (February 2) it is $371.
But they get the $8 break on the free upgraded shipping!
Yes, all numis gold went up last Wednesday, which may help to nail the coffin on this series. A quick glance around other forums show the MT commem is as popular as rabies.
I wonder if the Monday release (the day after the weekly sales report) is equivalent to politicians dumping documents on Friday afternoon or just before holidays...
Where is the mint 2016 tribute? Last I looked, a 2016, gold dime, quarter and half scheduled, who knows.
Mark Twain, a good author, I'm not buying.
Gold commems are still TBD. Next up are the NPS commems.
I was only kidding about the "hundreds"...
Okay, maybe not... Per Coinworld:
2016 Mark Twain silver dollar opening sales paltry compared to recent programs
They should have just sold the coins with the "bad" certificates and created a minor numismatic oddity.
Later the mint could have mailed corrected certificates to purchasers.
I did purchase a silver proof and uncirculated dollar, but I always planned to.
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Coins on Television
They should have just sold the coins with the "bad" certificates and created a minor numismatic oddity.
Later the mint could have mailed corrected certificates to purchasers.
BWAhahahaha... Not unprecedented.
Maybe a month ago, I was cleaning out some desk drawers and came across a letter from the Treasury Department, and it held replacement CoA's for the 2003 silver proof sets I had ordered. The error CoA's show the dime and half to be nickel-copper clad, when it should have been 90% Ag.
I don't even remember requesting them, I think the mint just had them sent to all those who had ordered the silver set.
I never did find out how many sets were issued with the error CoA before it was discovered...
Same here. Perhaps it's rather telling that the first commem design I bought purely because I liked the design has had one of the worst starts in modern history....
I was only kidding about the "hundreds"...
Okay, maybe not... Per Coinworld:
They reported today that the figures released were incorrect...
First-day comparisons for 2015 and 2014
In comparison, first-day sales for the 2015-P U.S. Marshals Service 225th anniversary silver dollar were 24,057 for the Proof dollar and 10,200 for the Uncirculated version. First-days sales equaled 6.9 percent of the maximum mintage of 500,000 coins.
The first day of sales for Proof and Uncirculated 2015 March of Dimes silver dollars reached a combined total of 24,376 coins. Mint officials reported 16,436 Proof 2015-W silver dollars sold and 7,940 of the 2015-P silver dollars sold. The combined total was 4.9 percent of the maximum combined authorization of 500,000 Proof and Uncirculated commemorative silver dollars.
For the 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame silver dollar, during the first 12 hours of availability, sales totaled 108,164 of the Proof 2014-P silver dollars and 48,511 of the Uncirculated 2014-P silver dollars out of a combined 400,000 coins available (39.2 percent of the total). The maximum mintage sold out in less than two weeks.
Introductory sales of the 2014-P Civil Rights Act of 1964 silver dollars were lower than those for the Mark Twain silver dollar. The U.S. Mint registered preliminary sales figures from the first 12 hours at 6,600 single Proof coins and 3,073 Uncirculated coins of the 350,000 maximum combined mintage available (2.8 percent of the maximum).
So not as bad as originally reported...
I will get one of each already slabbed in PF70 & MS70 for my collection.
Anyway, they are boxed up and on the way to the Post Office shortly.
Still no first strike cut off date for any 2016 dated coin posted on the FS page.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I hope that soon you will be holding a pair of 70's.
From your mouth to PCGS's ear....70's for gold and silver please.
I hate smartpost. Takes a package from Dallas four days to get to me via smartpost, but 8 days from Memphis, which always spans a weekend.
For a logistics company, FedEx smartpost is FedEx'd up... (Can I say that here?)
Who knows why the delay and who isn't talking. The date falls as in the past following first receipt by PCGS for grading.
Sales data should be out tomorrow (I hope), and will determine if I'll grade these or not...
The multi-density frosting on the proof isn't obtrusively noticeable, but it does effectively differentiate the river from the sky, for example, while still being able to isolate the prominent devices.
I think it looks better in hand that in the photos, but I still like the gold version better.
Uncirc:
Proof:
The mint still hasn't updated their sales total for last week...
Overall much better numbers than I expected.
I ordered one each of the silver coins today. They will both be 70's as I ordered them already slabbed. I will no longer act as a filter for the mints poorer quality coins.
Yes -- for silver coins. Generally I can afford those as already-slabbed 70's.
But the premium for 70's gold & platinum can be too steep for me.
Successful BST transactions with forum members thebigeng, SPalladino, Zoidmeister, coin22lover, coinsarefun, jwitten, CommemKing.
I ordered one each of the silver coins today. They will both be 70's as I ordered them already slabbed. I will no longer act as a filter for the mints poorer quality coins.
Yes -- for silver coins. Generally I can afford those as already-slabbed 70's.
But the premium for 70's gold & platinum can be too steep for me.
I have sold the few gold coins I purchased and now just collect special ASE sets and the
silver commoratives.
sigh. Never did send mine in, I don't think my Au uncirc would reach a 70, but maybe I should have.
At least I got one 70
Both gold issues are again available. The Silver issues are both back ordered, with fill dates of April 15.
At least I got one 70
Ugh. I feel your pain. ;-)
Only my gold proof said "grade me", the others did not, so I didn't send mine in.
I suspect I would have gotten similar grades.
NPS commens in three weeks, and I can't get excited about them at all...
593903 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label, DC PR69DC
593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69
593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593899 2016-W $5 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS69
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593891 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label MS70
593895 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label, DC PR70DC
593895 2016-P $1 Mark Twain First Strike Mark Twain Label, DC PR69DC
Final Sales. A link to this post will be in the OP.
According to Coin World, the US Mint is distributing the proceeds for the 2016 Twain Commem.
Final Audited Sales (which differ from the Mint's weekly sales report):
Gold Proof (16CH): 13,273
Gold Uncirculated (16CJ): 5,699
Total Gold Sales: 18,679
Silver Proof (116CK): 78,503
Silver Uncirculated (16CL): 26,270
Total Silver Sales: 104,773
With a $35 surcharge for the gold, and a $10 surcharge for the silver, net surcharge after production and other related costs comes to $1,711,750 . This will be split four ways, with each recipient receiving $427,937.50. Those organizations are:
The Mark Twain House & Museum in Hartford, CT.
The Mark Twain Boyhood Home and Museum in Hannibal, MO.
The University of California, Berkeley, CA.
Elmira College, NY.
The law authorizing these coins can be found here: PUBLIC LAW 112–201
(Just as a final non-sequitur, in the computer world, TWAIN was the interface between imaging hardware (e.g. scanners) and software, and was generally recognized to be short for "Technology Without An Interesting Name".)
After decades there is still not much interest in gold , as much as there is in his writings
I am a major Twain fan, but had no interest in the coins.