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SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
I find late die states fascinating. Soo...let's see some cracks! No xeroxed images, please.image

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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,255 ✭✭✭✭
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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've since sold this coin in order to make way for my new collecting pursuits but it remains one of my favorite examples of cracked dies:

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    Now that is some serious cracks and clashed also very cool. I have a number of these tokens but none like that, would love to have it.
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wonderful 1863 token!
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    CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
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  • GeorgeKelloggGeorgeKellogg Posts: 1,251 ✭✭
    Here's a coin that I bought at the 1995 Early Spring ANA in Atlanta and later had it crossed -- from NGC to PCGS (at the same grade). The die crack on the reverse runs from rim to rim -- and goes through the upper arrowhead. The images are courtesy of BluCC Photos.

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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a beautiful late-state 1836 quarter. It looks like there is even a cud forming along the crack that goes through Liberty's ear.
  • howardshowards Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭
    There will be many candidates among shield nickels. Would take me a long time sorting through thousands of photos looking for the best ones.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This shattered enough for you?

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  • Nocerino18Nocerino18 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭
    Roosevelt Dime

    This is one we just sold. Really cool!
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's a beautiful late-state 1836 quarter. It looks like there is even a cud forming along the crack that goes through Liberty's ear. >>



    There is. I bought that from Ankur, so I am sure he recognized it.
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not quite the "Baseball" cracked reverse, more of a "fire breathing Eagle";

    1841-O Large Mintmark WB-101 PCGS XF45

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1866 5C Rays PCGS AU55

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    1883 5C WC PCGS AU53

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not mine, but one I wrote up:

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, is right on that cud and retained die fragment....

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not mine, but one I wrote up:

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    Really neat article!image
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still the only piece of die steel known with the matching cud coin.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some amazing specimens in this thread... that last one with the actual die piece is really interesting...Cheers, RickO
  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭
    One of my favorites

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Didn't mean to scare y'all off..........

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  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,657 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,033 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Very late die state - 1797 dime. Very broken!!!!

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    WOW! The late Herb Silberman, who was a founder of the Early American Coppers club told me that a 1797 dime like this existed. Now I've seen one. Thanks. image
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes I know this is a medal.
    But talk about shattered dies.
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    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A broken obverse die plus repunched letters for "TY."
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool thread! image
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That Roman (16th-century?) medal is amazing, probably the last one struck from that die.
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1814 dime I just had graded.


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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know about "shattered" but this thread needs a Peace dollar:

    I think I can see 8 distinct die cracks, both obverse & reverse.

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  • IcollecteverythingIcollecteverything Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭
    Great thread!

    I think when the Broas Pie Bakers first saw one of their tokens struck from a shattered die they must have said, " That looks like a pie that's been sliced! Keep making them."

    This one is shattered on both sides plus has a light die clash of the indian on the reverse.

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    This one is unlisted (at least when I bought it years ago) and they must have been running out of dies so they used two reverses. The first reverse is clean but the 2nd one is shattered with a very heavy clash of the indian head.

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    I have at least one more of these but it is zinc and I am having trouble getting a good image. It appears to be an early die state when it was just starting to shatter.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The die breaks are so common on the Broas Bros. pieces that I have sometimes wondered if the coiner they used took one of the shattered dies, made a hub from it, and used that hub with raised lines on it to sink brand-new dies with the "die cracks" already in them.
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  • 1946Hamm1946Hamm Posts: 726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a neat shattered die.



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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why are Shield nickels so commonly seen with numerous die cracks? Overuse of the dies, beyond what was done in the production of Liberty nickels, for example? Or perhaps inferiour alloy used to make the dies?
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,256 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why are Shield nickels so commonly seen with numerous die cracks? Overuse of the dies, beyond what was done in the production of Liberty nickels, for example? Or perhaps inferiour alloy used to make the dies? >>



    The 25% nickel alloy used in the coins was too hard for the die steel available at the time. Eventually the die steel improved.
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  • 1944 P Lincoln Wheat Cent
    - Shattered Die Strike w/
    -Bi-Level Die Cracks intersecting with

    • Interior Retained Cud and
      Small Rim Cud over
      "UNUM".

    I hope i titled it correctly im focused on perfecting my craft. Please comment on it to get more of an insight on what visual you fellas get. Thanks

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2019 11:56PM

    @CaptHenway said:
    The die breaks are so common on the Broas Bros. pieces that I have sometimes wondered if the coiner they used took one of the shattered dies, made a hub from it, and used that hub with raised lines on it to sink brand-new dies with the "die cracks" already in them.

    That's an interesting thought. I agree they appear to be super common. I have one that is pretty red and would be curious to see where this goes. I wonder how many we can identify and if they can all be identified as having the same cracks (e.g. hub) vs. having a progression.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hersonayala23.... Welcome aboard... That is an amazing Lincoln cent... Never saw one with cracks like that. Cheers, RickO

  • 1946Hamm1946Hamm Posts: 726 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a good shattered die.

    Have a good day, Gary
  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's one that runs from the first "S" of STATES to the "C" of AMERICA - rim to rim. It had a profound effect on the sharpness of all '54-C strikes (both reverse and obverse) with this broken reverse die. Die options were most certainly limited back in the day at Charlotte, and the mint milked this one for all she was worth.

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  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Ken

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