<< <i>This is a serious suggestion for the WFoM: the Atlantic City Convention Center (in NJ). I don't know if the Atlantic City International Airport is sufficient, but it has all the other qualifications: contiguous space, lodging, eateries, and of course the Jersey Shore and all that it has to offer >>
Atlantic City Airport has service from only two airlines: Air Canada Express & Spirit Airlines.
That's a no-go.
Greg
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<< <i>Nuf with the Seattle bunk. We get you would like it. They don't want us. If you can talk sense into them, great. Otherwise enough. If you talk sense into them have them call Greg.
3 cheers for Greg coming here and sticking it out for 5 pages... keep up the great work! >>
Ummm.....thanks for telling us all not to continue to voice our opinions. Appreciate it, Comrade.
In the meantime, I have given up on it, which is why I haven't been back on posting anything, until now, in the thread. I think there is a lot more to it than "they don't want us because we are too small". I don't know what it is, but obviously MANY of us in the area are quite disappointed about it and it DOES inhibit numismatics in this area as there isn't someplace, other than small local shows, to take our kids to, etc. I don't travel as far as much, so I don't even go to Portland.
Again, I think there is a lot more to it (not saying Greg knows or doesn't know or was part of the attempt or not....don't know, don't care...I am not blaming him)
There are many cities in this list that I have of previous ANA (summer only) sales that have not seen a convention in quite some time. Seems like the ANA is running out of 'official auctioneers' too.
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Thanks for taking the time to address our group. My question is when it comes to Atlanta, why does the ANA keep using the Galleria Center in Cobb County. I can understand why Atlanta gets a bad rap from so many folks because the Galleria is not Atlanta. Why not choose the GWCC in downtown? It certainly meets all your criteria. GWCC is a genuine convention destination and hosts some of the largest shows in the country. Is the ANA too small? Frankly, the Galleria is just a regional / local show destination and not worthy of an ANA National Convention.
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Cedar Rapids or Des Moines, IA, MHO, central location, good facilities, host site of either DSM or CID would kill for an opportunity to host, ANA could probably cut a pretty good deal.
<< <i>Thanks for taking the time to address our group. My question is when it comes to Atlanta, why does the ANA keep using the Galleria Center in Cobb County. I can understand why Atlanta gets a bad rap from so many folks because the Galleria is not Atlanta. Why not choose the GWCC in downtown? >>
For the National Money Show, like in 2014, the Galleria Center is better sized. If we will have a World's Fair of Money, it would be held at the GWCC.
Greg
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<< <i>Cedar Rapids or Des Moines, IA, MHO, central location, good facilities, host site of either DSM or CID would kill for an opportunity to host, ANA could probably cut a pretty good deal. >>
Neither city has a convention center large enough for an ANA convention.
Greg
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<< <i>Greg, so on the list of requirements, what states and city's make the list? >>
I don't have a full list -- I leave that up to our convention department to handle. I think most people posting recommendations to this thread just don't realize how large 200,000 sq ft is!
<< <i>What draw backs are there to the Pittsburgh location? >>
Pittsburgh has been a successful ANA show location (Fall 2011, Summer 2004, etc.) and likely will be in future years. Pittsburgh will not be a spring convention location due to weather conditions. With Philadelphia having a Summer convention in 2018, it will likely be a while before Pittsburgh would have one.
The downside to Pittsburgh vs. Philadelphia is location and connectivity. Philadelphia is a larger city, on the Northeast Corridor and has rail and air transportation options Pittsburgh does not.
Greg
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No sales tax on coins or bullion in Nebraska since LB 867 was signed into law on April 2, 2014. Nebraska is not in the loop, though. And the mere fact that I am an opponent of such(Sales Tax on coins and bullion) led to the falling out with a board member here whom I had the deepest respect for. C'est la vie Not the first or last hater out there…
Is Vegas not an option? Sorry if I missed it along the way
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<< <i>Is Vegas not an option? Sorry if I missed it along the way >>
Las Vegas is being considered for a Spring convention. Nevada is a state with taxation, however. (PCGS gets around this by running shows which are mostly wholesale and not retail)
Greg
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Thanks for taking the time to address our group. My question is when it comes to Atlanta, why does the ANA keep using the Galleria Center in Cobb County. I can understand why Atlanta gets a bad rap from so many folks because the Galleria is not Atlanta. Why not choose the GWCC in downtown? It certainly meets all your criteria. GWCC is a genuine convention destination and hosts some of the largest shows in the country. Is the ANA too small? Frankly, the Galleria is just a regional / local show destination and not worthy of an ANA National Convention. >>
The same reason the Atlanta Braves are hell bent on building a new stadium in the northeast suburbs in spite of the fact that their current ballpark is less than 20 years old. Let's just say coin people get spooked easily when they're out of their comfort zone environment.
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<< <i>Is Vegas not an option? Sorry if I missed it along the way >>
Las Vegas is being considered for a Spring convention. Nevada is a state with taxation, however. (PCGS gets around this by running shows which are mostly wholesale and not retail)
Greg >>
I just got back from Vegas. No laws were being enforced from what I could see
MJ
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<< <i>Boston, Atlanta, or Nashville would be good picks. >>
The 2010 Whitman show in Nashville was one and done for them. The 2014 Spring ANA in Atlanta did not do well. >>
IIRC, the Nashville show suffered from a sales tax over 9% on the entire amount of the sale. Not a good thing for a coin show. As soon as we found out the tax rate, we pulled out of the show.
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I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales.
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<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
I cannot think of such a location. Can you?
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<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
Hawaii????
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<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
Hawaii???? >>
I'm not saying that Hawaii is a bad place or not worth visiting but for how much it costs to stay there and all that stuff I think Hawaii is overrated. There are many other tropical paradise locales that are a lot more affordable and overall a better value.
There is the HSNA convention in November. It's a fun show to attend but in the five or so times I've been to that show throughout the years I have turned a profit exactly once.
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<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
Hawaii???? >>
I worked the 1981 Midwinter ANA convention in Honolulu for ANACS. As I recall there was very little business on the floor, but the dealers did not care as it was considered a vacation show after the boom year of 1980. Everybody would close up early and take their wives out to dinner and a show. Don Ho performed at the banquet.
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Interesting that some ANA governors think poorly of downtown St. Louis even though it is apparently a textbook example of what they seek... yet they're thinking downtown Detroit is a better option? Really?
Any thoughts on Reno? I know it sounds small but has an excellent convention center, the Atlantis next door and served by several airlines. It is also a town that caters to conventions.
The Chicago Coin Club announced 2019 in Rosemont for the CCC's 100th anniversary.
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I wanted to provide some additional information regarding cities which the ANA was looking into for upcoming convention selections.
As was indicated, Rosemont (Chicago) was selected for the 2019 World's Fair of Money. I supported this only as it is in honor of the Chicago Coin Club's 100th Anniversary. They have been very supportive of the ANA and conventions in the Chicago area over many years and we felt this was something we could do to honor the CCC.
Atlanta (Cobb Galleria) was selected for the 2020 National Money Show. The GNA and several Atlanta clubs asked to host the NMS in 2018. Due to the non-availability of facilities in 2018 and 2019, we have instead opted to choose Atlanta in 2020.
Decisions on the 2018 and 2019 NMS as well as the 2020 and 2021 World's Fair of Money have been postponed to look into further options.
Regarding cities we DID look into:
For the 2018-2020 National Money Shows, the following cities declined to bid on our convention -- mostly due to not having enough hotel nights committed in relation to exhibit space at this far in advance:
Atlanta - Georgia World Congress Center, Austin, Chattanooga, Forth Worth, Las Vegas (6 different venues!), Nashville, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Orlando (6 different venues - 2020 only), Palm Springs, Phoenix, Raleigh, Sacramento, San Jose & Virginia Beach.
We did receive bids from Charlotte (2019 only), Hampton Roads Virginia, Knoxville and Reno. These cities were not chosen at this time due to taxation, accessibility or weather reasons.
For the 2019-2021 World's Fair of Money Shows, the following cities declined to bid on our convention -- mostly due to not having enough hotel nights committed in relation to exhibit space at this far in advance:
Atlanta - Georgia World Congress Center, Baltimore, Boston, Dallas, Denver, Fort Worth, Indianapolis, Kansas City, New Orleans, San Antonio and Seattle.
Bids were received from: Rosemont, Detroit, Houston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh (2021 only). Rosemont was picked for 2019... 2020 is likely to be held in another unlisted city... and the remaining cities were not selected due to cost or security concerns.
I hope you all DO realize that we are looking at many options -- but due to the number of hotel rooms the ANA books along with the minimal food & beverage spending we provide, many cities are not willing to commit to us at the advance planning times we look for. While they may be willing to accept us 1-2 years before the event, it is also quite likely they will instead book more profitable groups before that time comes.
Please feel free to let me know of any questions or concerns you may have.
Greg
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Did anyone consider San Diego, California? The ANA has been there before in the early 80's Convention center can handle it. Lots of hotels and fantastic weather some of the best/ most consistent in California. a beautiful city along the bay water. A favorite of Comic con.
<< <i>Did anyone consider San Diego, California? The ANA has been there before in the early 80's Convention center can handle it. Lots of hotels and fantastic weather some of the best/ most consistent in California. a beautiful city along the bay water. A favorite of Comic con.
Krueger >>
I don't know, but is suspect that - like the others - they won't be interested...
Quoting: "The mission of the San Diego Convention Center Corporation is to generate significant economic benefits for the greater San Diego region by hosting international and national conventions and trade shows in our world-class facility."
The key? significant economic benefits:
a $6m auction doesn't generate a lot of benefits -for the area-. 700-1000 room nights and restaurant meals... just isn't big enough...
Greg: based on the # of no bids, has the board considered paying for a 3rd party study to quantify the true economic impact? It might be bigger than the facilities assume. Or not - the only things I bought IN PORTLAND was lunch and parking. The tank of gas and dinner were outside of Portland... all the money I left with dealers left with dealers...
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That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down...
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<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
If you've ever been to one of those big auto shows in New York or Chicago -- that's the kind of show the cities want. We all love the ANA, but the fact is, they are not operating on that scale.
<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
If you've ever been to one of those big auto shows in New York or Chicago -- that's the kind of show the cities want. We all love the ANA, but the fact is, they are not operating on that scale. >>
It's a given considering that the ANA conventions are not in the same league as auto shows, medical conventions and technology trade shows but to have such coveted places like Chattanooga and Oklahoma City turn you down it really makes you do a double take.
It's totally understandable when places like the McCormick, Javits, and Moscone Center turn down the ANA but when even the D-listers don't want you it says a lot.
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The ANA does not want to be in the McCormick Center in Chicago. The theft by people who work there is monumental.
At the end of one auto show somebody backed a trailer in and loaded up a car! Another time the police raided a property up in Wisconsin that belonged to a senior convention center employee and found three fork lift truck that he had stolen, among other stuff
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I may only have one vote for board members, but I can assure you that anyone voting for Chicago will not be remembered on my ballot. I find it amazing that we continue to pick a city that hasn't been reflected well on by attendees and has hosted the show so many times in the last 10 years. Seems short-sighted, even in response to celebrating a special occasion for a long-time coin club. Even the Olympics chose Atlanta over Athens, despite an important anniversary...
Interesting that no mention of Boston, Baltimore or NYC was made.
I'm sure the ANA could commit to more hotel rooms in the future. Is there a reason this hasn't been increased in the bidding process?
<< <i>Greg: based on the # of no bids, has the board considered paying for a 3rd party study to quantify the true economic impact? It might be bigger than the facilities assume. Or not - the only things I bought IN PORTLAND was lunch and parking. The tank of gas and dinner were outside of Portland... all the money I left with dealers left with dealers... >>
We do work with an outside conference planning group while requesting bids for our conventions.
In reality, we simply do not provide the volume of the highest profit margin items which convention centers are interested in - hotel rooms and food & beverage in the convention center.
While it is all well and good that people come to town and spend at local restaurants and businesses... that's not the main interest of the convention center.
Greg
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<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
We are not being explicitly turned down... but rather most of the centers are saying "Come back to us in a year or two and we'll see if we will be interested" (in case they can book an event which would be more profitable to the center). Of course, the problem there is what if they DO find another group? We may be 18-24 months before a convention and not have any place to hold it.
Greg
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<< <i>I may only have one vote for board members, but I can assure you that anyone voting for Chicago will not be remembered on my ballot. I find it amazing that we continue to pick a city that hasn't been reflected well on by attendees and has hosted the show so many times in the last 10 years. Seems short-sighted, even in response to celebrating a special occasion for a long-time coin club. Even the Olympics chose Atlanta over Athens, despite an important anniversary... >>
If you watch the video of the open session board meeting where this was voted on, I stated the ONLY reason I voted for Rosemont was because of the Chicago Coin Club anniversary. The CCC has been instrumental in putting on the shows that have been held in Chicago over the years.
In all honesty, Rosemont was also - by far - the cheapest option for the 2019 convention. The Chicago area has consistently ranked #1 and #2 in polls of dealers and members as a location for our shows. While it is unfortunate, in my opinion, that 4 out of 5 conventions are being held in the same city from 2011-2015 -- that was a decision made by a board many years ago, at the suggestion of an Executive Director no longer employed by the ANA.
From this year forward, we will have very good geographic diversity - Anaheim, Denver, Philadelphia, Chicago over the next four years, with high hopes that we will have the 2020 convention in a city we have not been to in MANY, MANY years.
<< <i>Interesting that no mention of Boston, Baltimore or NYC was made. >>
If you read my post from Saturday evening, you will see we did request bids from Baltimore and Boston. New York is -- unfortunately -- a very difficult city for the ANA to choose. The Javits Center is not a viable option for a show our size... they simply won't bid on it. The other alternative is to have it in a hotel, spread across multiple floors and rooms... which is not liked by dealers or attendees.
<< <i>I'm sure the ANA could commit to more hotel rooms in the future. Is there a reason this hasn't been increased in the bidding process? >>
The problem with committing to hotel rooms is that if they are not filled, the ANA has to pay to pay for the rooms which are not used. Many years ago, booking the "official convention hotel" was what most people did out of convenience. Today with options like Priceline, Hotwire and hotel loyalty points, many attendees book elsewhere.
Even more difficult than meeting hotel room bookings, many convention centers require the purchase of a specific amount of food and beverage based on the exhibit space. Several bids we received required spending of $40,000+ which we simply don't do.
Greg
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<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
We are not being explicitly turned down... but rather most of the centers are saying "Come back to us in a year or two and we'll see if we will be interested" (in case they can book an event which would be more profitable to the center). Of course, the problem there is what if they DO find another group? We may be 18-24 months before a convention and not have any place to hold it.
Greg >>
Yeah, the same way women tell a guy who asks her out who she isn't interested in that "I'm just not ready to be in a relationship right now"... Translation: I am not interested.
When a CVB or convention center tells you to come back in the future, they're telling you that they are not interested unless there are no other options and everybody else in turn as turned them down. The parallel is the woman who finally accepts your invite for a date for 8pm on Saturday night at 7:30pm. They figure a free dinner is better than no dinner at all. The ANA is that guy and the convention centers are that woman. And when the D-listers turn you down it's basically the girl with acne and braces who's saying no thanks.
Perhaps the problem isn't with the scheduling and logistics. Perhaps the ANA just isn't good enough selling themselves and persuading cities that it is to their benefit to host their annual conventions.
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The Chicago Coin Club did the ANA a powerful favor agreeing to host four conventions in five years. They deserved some payback in being awarded the 2019 convention for their 100th anniversary.
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<< <i>Perhaps the problem isn't with the scheduling and logistics. Perhaps the ANA just isn't good enough selling themselves and persuading cities that it is to their benefit to host their annual conventions. >>
The problem is that the convention centers look to see how profitable an event will be to them... that usually translates into overpriced food & beverage which we simply don't purchase much of.
A medical convention is a huge win for a convention center as it usually features multiple catered dinners, for example. ANA simply doesn't do that.
Greg
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So here is a thought, what about dropping the enormous contiguous space requirement. If we can get a space big enough for all of the dealers tables (which I have no real idea what that would be) we can put all of the exhibits and collectors displays in a separate room. Of the people who come to the shows, a vast majority of the people are there to buy and sell coins with the exhibits being an extra bonus. I am guessing the people who are there to look at the exhibits would not mind walking a little bit extra to see them. If it is a matter of doing this or not getting the opportunity to be in a variety of cities, I am guessing people would choose the latter. On another note, the city of Portland was beautiful. The convention center was nice but the hotel was highly mediocre, expensive and the rooms were tiny. I thought cities were rejected because the hotel was too far away. This seems to be the case with Portland. I don't necessarily buy this argument seeing as the hotels for FUN are equally far away and attendance for that show is always high.
<< <i>So here is a thought, what about dropping the enormous contiguous space requirement. If we can get a space big enough for all of the dealers tables (which I have no real idea what that would be) we can put all of the exhibits and collectors displays in a separate room. Of the people who come to the shows, a vast majority of the people are there to buy and sell coins with the exhibits being an extra bonus. >>
This is -- for the most part -- a non-starter, for several reasons.
1) Education is the ANA's main focus and that is defined in our Congressional Charter. In the few cities where this has happened, attendance in the exhibit areas drops dramatically.
2) Having items located in separate rooms increases our security costs as well.
Greg
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<< <i>So here is a thought, what about dropping the enormous contiguous space requirement. If we can get a space big enough for all of the dealers tables (which I have no real idea what that would be) we can put all of the exhibits and collectors displays in a separate room. Of the people who come to the shows, a vast majority of the people are there to buy and sell coins with the exhibits being an extra bonus. >>
This is -- for the most part -- a non-starter, for several reasons.
1) Education is the ANA's main focus and that is defined in our Congressional Charter. In the few cities where this has happened, attendance in the exhibit areas drops dramatically.
2) Having items located in separate rooms increases our security costs as well.
Greg >>
Reduce the space by increasing the price of the tables and making less available. Make the same money, reduce the space and broaden the venue options.
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<< <i>This is a serious suggestion for the WFoM: the Atlantic City Convention Center (in NJ). I don't know if the Atlantic City International Airport is sufficient, but it has all the other qualifications: contiguous space, lodging, eateries, and of course the Jersey Shore and all that it has to offer >>
Atlantic City Airport has service from only two airlines: Air Canada Express & Spirit Airlines.
That's a no-go.
Greg
<< <i>Boston, Atlanta, or Nashville would be good picks. >>
The 2010 Whitman show in Nashville was one and done for them. The 2014 Spring ANA in Atlanta did not do well.
<< <i>Nuf with the Seattle bunk. We get you would like it. They don't want us. If you can talk sense into them, great. Otherwise enough. If you talk sense into them have them call Greg.
3 cheers for Greg coming here and sticking it out for 5 pages... keep up the great work! >>
Ummm.....thanks for telling us all not to continue to voice our opinions. Appreciate it, Comrade.
In the meantime, I have given up on it, which is why I haven't been back on posting anything, until now, in the thread.
I think there is a lot more to it than "they don't want us because we are too small". I don't know what it is, but obviously MANY of us in the area are quite disappointed about it and it DOES inhibit numismatics in this area as there isn't someplace, other than small local shows, to take our kids to, etc. I don't travel as far as much, so I don't even go to Portland.
Again, I think there is a lot more to it (not saying Greg knows or doesn't know or was part of the attempt or not....don't know, don't care...I am not blaming him)
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1907 - Columbus - Ben Green
1908 - Philadelphia - Henry S. Chapman
1910 - New York - Daniel R. Kennedy
1911 - Chicago - Ben Green
1917 - Rochester - Wayte Raymond
1919 - Philadelphia - Henry S. Chapman
1922 - New York - F.C.C. Boyd
1924 - Cleveland - Henry S. Chapman
1925 - Detroit - Henry S. Chapman
1928 - Rochester - Hobby Shop
1929 - Chicago - Milfred Henry Bolender
1930 - Buffalo - Hobby Shop
1931 - Cincinnati - William Sunday
1932 - Los Angeles - John Kean
1933 - Chicago - Koin X-Change
1934 - Cleveland - Charles J. Molnar
1935 - Pittsburgh - William A. Gaede
1936 - Minneapolis - Arthur White; Joseph Stack
1937 - Washington, DC - Charles Kohen; John Zug
1938 - Columbus - J.M. Henderson
1939 - New York - Stack’s
1940 - Detroit - Stack’s
1941 - Philadelphia - Ira Reed
1942 - Cincinnati - Numismatic Gallery
1943 - Chicago - W.G. Rayson
1944 - Chicago - Clifford Lindall
1946 - Davenport - Numismatic Gallery
1947 - Buffalo - Numismatic Gallery
1948 - Boston - Milford Coin & Stamp
1949 - San Francisco - Numismatic Gallery
1950 - Milwaukee - James Kelly
1951 - Phoenix - James Kelly
1952 - New York - New Netherlands
1953 - Dallas - Numismatic Gallery (Abe Kosoff)
1954 - Cleveland - Federal Coin Exchange
1955 - Omaha - Bebee’s
1956 - Chicago - James Kelly
1957 - Philadelphia - Federal Coin Exchange
1958 - Los Angeles - Abe Kosoff
1959 - Portland - Leo A. Young
1960 - Boston - Arthur Conn; Harold Whiteneck
1961 - Atlanta - James Kelly
1962 - Detroit - James Kelly; James E. Charlton
1963 - Denver - Al Overton
1964 - Cleveland - Federal Brand
1965 - Houston - Al Overton
1966 - Chicago - Abe Kosoff
1967 - Miami Beach - Paramount International
1968 - San Diego - Abe Kosoff
1969 - Philadelphia - Paramount International
1970 - St. Louis - Rare Coin Company of America
1971 - Washington, DC - Stack’s
1972 - New Orleans - Paramount International
1973 - Boston - Jess Peters
1974 - Miami Beach - Paramount
1975 - Los Angeles - Superior Stamp & Coin Co.
1976 - New York - Stack’s
1977 - Atlanta - Kagin’s
1978 - Houston - Bowers & Ruddy
1979 - St. Louis - New England Rare Coin Co.
1980 - Cincinnati - Steve Ivy Numismatics
1981 - New Orleans - Bowers & Ruddy
1982 - Boston - Steve Ivy Numismatics
1983 - San Diego - Kagin’s
1984 - Detroit - Kurt Krueger
1985 - Baltimore - Heritage Numismatics
1986 - Milwaukee - Kagin’s
1987 - Atlanta - Bowers & Merena
1988 - Cincinnati - Heritage Numismatics
1989 - Pittsburgh - Bowers & Merena
1990 - Seattle - Heritage Numismatics
1991 - Chicago - Bowers & Merena
1992 - Orlando - Heritage Numismatics
1993 - Baltimore - Heritage Numismatics
1994 - Detroit - Heritage Numismatics
1995 - Anaheim - Heritage Numismatics
1996 - Denver - Heritage Numismatics
1997 - New York - Heritage Numismatics
1998 - Portland - Heritage Numismatics
1999 - Chicago - Heritage Numismatics
2000 - Philadelphia - Bowers & Merena
2001 - Atlanta - Heritage Numismatics
2002 - New York - Superior Galleries
2003 - Baltimore - Bowers & Merena
2004 - Pittsburgh - Heritage Numismatics
2005 - San Francisco - Heritage Numismatics
2006 - Denver - Bowers & Merena
2007 - Milwaukee - Bowers & Merena
2008 - Baltimore - Heritage Numismatics
2009 - Los Angeles - Bowers & Merena
2010 - Boston - Heritage Numismatics
2011 - Chicago - Stack's/Bowers
2012 - Philadelphia - Stack's/Bowers
2013 - Chicago - Stack's/Bowers
2014 - Chicago - Stack's/Bowers
Thanks for taking the time to address our group. My question is when it comes to Atlanta, why does the ANA keep using the Galleria Center in Cobb County. I can understand why Atlanta gets a bad rap from so many folks because the Galleria is not Atlanta. Why not choose the GWCC in downtown? It certainly meets all your criteria. GWCC is a genuine convention destination and hosts some of the largest shows in the country. Is the ANA too small? Frankly, the Galleria is just a regional / local show destination and not worthy of an ANA National Convention.
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What draw backs are there to the Pittsburgh location?
Same. For the Philadelphia location?
I can't remember the other locations off hand.
<< <i>Thanks for taking the time to address our group. My question is when it comes to Atlanta, why does the ANA keep using the Galleria Center in Cobb County. I can understand why Atlanta gets a bad rap from so many folks because the Galleria is not Atlanta. Why not choose the GWCC in downtown? >>
For the National Money Show, like in 2014, the Galleria Center is better sized. If we will have a World's Fair of Money, it would be held at the GWCC.
Greg
<< <i>Cedar Rapids or Des Moines, IA, MHO, central location, good facilities, host site of either DSM or CID would kill for an opportunity to host, ANA could probably cut a pretty good deal. >>
Neither city has a convention center large enough for an ANA convention.
Greg
<< <i>Greg, so on the list of requirements, what states and city's make the list? >>
I don't have a full list -- I leave that up to our convention department to handle. I think most people posting recommendations to this thread just don't realize how large 200,000 sq ft is!
<< <i>What draw backs are there to the Pittsburgh location? >>
Pittsburgh has been a successful ANA show location (Fall 2011, Summer 2004, etc.) and likely will be in future years. Pittsburgh will not be a spring convention location due to weather conditions. With Philadelphia having a Summer convention in 2018, it will likely be a while before Pittsburgh would have one.
The downside to Pittsburgh vs. Philadelphia is location and connectivity. Philadelphia is a larger city, on the Northeast Corridor and has rail and air transportation options Pittsburgh does not.
Greg
Nebraska is not in the loop, though. And the mere fact that I am an opponent of such(Sales Tax on coins and bullion)
led to the falling out with a board member here whom I had the deepest respect for. C'est la vie Not the first or last hater out there…
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<< <i>Is Vegas not an option? Sorry if I missed it along the way >>
Las Vegas is being considered for a Spring convention. Nevada is a state with taxation, however. (PCGS gets around this by running shows which are mostly wholesale and not retail)
Greg
<< <i>Greg,
Thanks for taking the time to address our group. My question is when it comes to Atlanta, why does the ANA keep using the Galleria Center in Cobb County. I can understand why Atlanta gets a bad rap from so many folks because the Galleria is not Atlanta. Why not choose the GWCC in downtown? It certainly meets all your criteria. GWCC is a genuine convention destination and hosts some of the largest shows in the country. Is the ANA too small? Frankly, the Galleria is just a regional / local show destination and not worthy of an ANA National Convention. >>
The same reason the Atlanta Braves are hell bent on building a new stadium in the northeast suburbs in spite of the fact that their current ballpark is less than 20 years old. Let's just say coin people get spooked easily when they're out of their comfort zone environment.
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<< <i>Is Vegas not an option? Sorry if I missed it along the way >>
Las Vegas is being considered for a Spring convention. Nevada is a state with taxation, however. (PCGS gets around this by running shows which are mostly wholesale and not retail)
Greg >>
I just got back from Vegas. No laws were being enforced from what I could see
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<< <i>Boston, Atlanta, or Nashville would be good picks. >>
The 2010 Whitman show in Nashville was one and done for them. The 2014 Spring ANA in Atlanta did not do well. >>
IIRC, the Nashville show suffered from a sales tax over 9% on the entire amount of the sale. Not a good thing for a coin show. As soon as we found out the tax rate, we pulled out of the show.
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<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
I cannot think of such a location. Can you?
<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
Hawaii????
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<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
Hawaii???? >>
I'm not saying that Hawaii is a bad place or not worth visiting but for how much it costs to stay there and all that stuff I think Hawaii is overrated. There are many other tropical paradise locales that are a lot more affordable and overall a better value.
There is the HSNA convention in November. It's a fun show to attend but in the five or so times I've been to that show throughout the years I have turned a profit exactly once.
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<< <i>I would not mind dealing with sales tax issues if it means choosing a location that results in substantial increase in attendance and sales. >>
Hawaii???? >>
I worked the 1981 Midwinter ANA convention in Honolulu for ANACS. As I recall there was very little business on the floor, but the dealers did not care as it was considered a vacation show after the boom year of 1980. Everybody would close up early and take their wives out to dinner and a show. Don Ho performed at the banquet.
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As was indicated, Rosemont (Chicago) was selected for the 2019 World's Fair of Money. I supported this only as it is in honor of the Chicago Coin Club's 100th Anniversary. They have been very supportive of the ANA and conventions in the Chicago area over many years and we felt this was something we could do to honor the CCC.
Atlanta (Cobb Galleria) was selected for the 2020 National Money Show. The GNA and several Atlanta clubs asked to host the NMS in 2018. Due to the non-availability of facilities in 2018 and 2019, we have instead opted to choose Atlanta in 2020.
Decisions on the 2018 and 2019 NMS as well as the 2020 and 2021 World's Fair of Money have been postponed to look into further options.
Regarding cities we DID look into:
For the 2018-2020 National Money Shows, the following cities declined to bid on our convention -- mostly due to not having enough hotel nights committed in relation to exhibit space at this far in advance:
Atlanta - Georgia World Congress Center, Austin, Chattanooga, Forth Worth, Las Vegas (6 different venues!), Nashville, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Orlando (6 different venues - 2020 only), Palm Springs, Phoenix, Raleigh, Sacramento, San Jose & Virginia Beach.
We did receive bids from Charlotte (2019 only), Hampton Roads Virginia, Knoxville and Reno. These cities were not chosen at this time due to taxation, accessibility or weather reasons.
For the 2019-2021 World's Fair of Money Shows, the following cities declined to bid on our convention -- mostly due to not having enough hotel nights committed in relation to exhibit space at this far in advance:
Atlanta - Georgia World Congress Center, Baltimore, Boston, Dallas, Denver, Fort Worth, Indianapolis, Kansas City, New Orleans, San Antonio and Seattle.
Bids were received from: Rosemont, Detroit, Houston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh (2021 only). Rosemont was picked for 2019... 2020 is likely to be held in another unlisted city... and the remaining cities were not selected due to cost or security concerns.
I hope you all DO realize that we are looking at many options -- but due to the number of hotel rooms the ANA books along with the minimal food & beverage spending we provide, many cities are not willing to commit to us at the advance planning times we look for. While they may be willing to accept us 1-2 years before the event, it is also quite likely they will instead book more profitable groups before that time comes.
Please feel free to let me know of any questions or concerns you may have.
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Did anyone consider San Diego, California? The ANA has been there before in the early 80's
Convention center can handle it. Lots of hotels and fantastic weather some of the best/ most consistent in California.
a beautiful city along the bay water.
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<< <i>Did anyone consider San Diego, California? The ANA has been there before in the early 80's
Convention center can handle it. Lots of hotels and fantastic weather some of the best/ most consistent in California.
a beautiful city along the bay water.
A favorite of Comic con.
Krueger >>
I don't know, but is suspect that - like the others - they won't be interested...
Quoting: "The mission of the San Diego Convention Center Corporation is to generate significant economic benefits for the greater San Diego region by hosting international and national conventions and trade shows in our world-class facility."
The key? significant economic benefits:
a $6m auction doesn't generate a lot of benefits -for the area-. 700-1000 room nights and restaurant meals... just isn't big enough...
Greg: based on the # of no bids, has the board considered paying for a 3rd party study to quantify the true economic impact? It might be bigger than the facilities assume. Or not - the only things I bought IN PORTLAND was lunch and parking. The tank of gas and dinner were outside of Portland... all the money I left with dealers left with dealers...
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<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
If you've ever been to one of those big auto shows in New York or Chicago -- that's the kind of show the cities want. We all love the ANA, but the fact is, they are not operating on that scale.
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<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
If you've ever been to one of those big auto shows in New York or Chicago -- that's the kind of show the cities want. We all love the ANA, but the fact is, they are not operating on that scale. >>
It's a given considering that the ANA conventions are not in the same league as auto shows, medical conventions and technology trade shows but to have such coveted places like Chattanooga and Oklahoma City turn you down it really makes you do a double take.
It's totally understandable when places like the McCormick, Javits, and Moscone Center turn down the ANA but when even the D-listers don't want you it says a lot.
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At the end of one auto show somebody backed a trailer in and loaded up a car! Another time the police raided a property up in Wisconsin that belonged to a senior convention center employee and found three fork lift truck that he had stolen, among other stuff
I may only have one vote for board members, but I can assure you that anyone voting for Chicago will not be remembered on my ballot. I find it amazing that we continue to pick a city that hasn't been reflected well on by attendees and has hosted the show so many times in the last 10 years. Seems short-sighted, even in response to celebrating a special occasion for a long-time coin club. Even the Olympics chose Atlanta over Athens, despite an important anniversary...
Interesting that no mention of Boston, Baltimore or NYC was made.
I'm sure the ANA could commit to more hotel rooms in the future. Is there a reason this hasn't been increased in the bidding process?
<< <i>Greg: based on the # of no bids, has the board considered paying for a 3rd party study to quantify the true economic impact? It might be bigger than the facilities assume. Or not - the only things I bought IN PORTLAND was lunch and parking. The tank of gas and dinner were outside of Portland... all the money I left with dealers left with dealers... >>
We do work with an outside conference planning group while requesting bids for our conventions.
In reality, we simply do not provide the volume of the highest profit margin items which convention centers are interested in - hotel rooms and food & beverage in the convention center.
While it is all well and good that people come to town and spend at local restaurants and businesses... that's not the main interest of the convention center.
Greg
<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
We are not being explicitly turned down... but rather most of the centers are saying "Come back to us in a year or two and we'll see if we will be interested" (in case they can book an event which would be more profitable to the center). Of course, the problem there is what if they DO find another group? We may be 18-24 months before a convention and not have any place to hold it.
Greg
<< <i>I may only have one vote for board members, but I can assure you that anyone voting for Chicago will not be remembered on my ballot. I find it amazing that we continue to pick a city that hasn't been reflected well on by attendees and has hosted the show so many times in the last 10 years. Seems short-sighted, even in response to celebrating a special occasion for a long-time coin club. Even the Olympics chose Atlanta over Athens, despite an important anniversary... >>
If you watch the video of the open session board meeting where this was voted on, I stated the ONLY reason I voted for Rosemont was because of the Chicago Coin Club anniversary. The CCC has been instrumental in putting on the shows that have been held in Chicago over the years.
In all honesty, Rosemont was also - by far - the cheapest option for the 2019 convention. The Chicago area has consistently ranked #1 and #2 in polls of dealers and members as a location for our shows. While it is unfortunate, in my opinion, that 4 out of 5 conventions are being held in the same city from 2011-2015 -- that was a decision made by a board many years ago, at the suggestion of an Executive Director no longer employed by the ANA.
From this year forward, we will have very good geographic diversity - Anaheim, Denver, Philadelphia, Chicago over the next four years, with high hopes that we will have the 2020 convention in a city we have not been to in MANY, MANY years.
<< <i>Interesting that no mention of Boston, Baltimore or NYC was made. >>
If you read my post from Saturday evening, you will see we did request bids from Baltimore and Boston. New York is -- unfortunately -- a very difficult city for the ANA to choose. The Javits Center is not a viable option for a show our size... they simply won't bid on it. The other alternative is to have it in a hotel, spread across multiple floors and rooms... which is not liked by dealers or attendees.
<< <i>I'm sure the ANA could commit to more hotel rooms in the future. Is there a reason this hasn't been increased in the bidding process? >>
The problem with committing to hotel rooms is that if they are not filled, the ANA has to pay to pay for the rooms which are not used. Many years ago, booking the "official convention hotel" was what most people did out of convenience. Today with options like Priceline, Hotwire and hotel loyalty points, many attendees book elsewhere.
Even more difficult than meeting hotel room bookings, many convention centers require the purchase of a specific amount of food and beverage based on the exhibit space. Several bids we received required spending of $40,000+ which we simply don't do.
Greg
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<< <i>That awkward feeling when even D-list cities are turning your convention down... >>
We are not being explicitly turned down... but rather most of the centers are saying "Come back to us in a year or two and we'll see if we will be interested" (in case they can book an event which would be more profitable to the center). Of course, the problem there is what if they DO find another group? We may be 18-24 months before a convention and not have any place to hold it.
Greg >>
Yeah, the same way women tell a guy who asks her out who she isn't interested in that "I'm just not ready to be in a relationship right now"...
Translation: I am not interested.
When a CVB or convention center tells you to come back in the future, they're telling you that they are not interested unless there are no other options and everybody else in turn as turned them down. The parallel is the woman who finally accepts your invite for a date for 8pm on Saturday night at 7:30pm. They figure a free dinner is better than no dinner at all. The ANA is that guy and the convention centers are that woman. And when the D-listers turn you down it's basically the girl with acne and braces who's saying no thanks.
Perhaps the problem isn't with the scheduling and logistics. Perhaps the ANA just isn't good enough selling themselves and persuading cities that it is to their benefit to host their annual conventions.
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<< <i>Perhaps the problem isn't with the scheduling and logistics. Perhaps the ANA just isn't good enough selling themselves and persuading cities that it is to their benefit to host their annual conventions. >>
The problem is that the convention centers look to see how profitable an event will be to them... that usually translates into overpriced food & beverage which we simply don't purchase much of.
A medical convention is a huge win for a convention center as it usually features multiple catered dinners, for example. ANA simply doesn't do that.
Greg
On another note, the city of Portland was beautiful. The convention center was nice but the hotel was highly mediocre, expensive and the rooms were tiny. I thought cities were rejected because the hotel was too far away. This seems to be the case with Portland. I don't necessarily buy this argument seeing as the hotels for FUN are equally far away and attendance for that show is always high.
<< <i>So here is a thought, what about dropping the enormous contiguous space requirement. If we can get a space big enough for all of the dealers tables (which I have no real idea what that would be) we can put all of the exhibits and collectors displays in a separate room. Of the people who come to the shows, a vast majority of the people are there to buy and sell coins with the exhibits being an extra bonus. >>
This is -- for the most part -- a non-starter, for several reasons.
1) Education is the ANA's main focus and that is defined in our Congressional Charter. In the few cities where this has happened, attendance in the exhibit areas drops dramatically.
2) Having items located in separate rooms increases our security costs as well.
Greg
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<< <i>So here is a thought, what about dropping the enormous contiguous space requirement. If we can get a space big enough for all of the dealers tables (which I have no real idea what that would be) we can put all of the exhibits and collectors displays in a separate room. Of the people who come to the shows, a vast majority of the people are there to buy and sell coins with the exhibits being an extra bonus. >>
This is -- for the most part -- a non-starter, for several reasons.
1) Education is the ANA's main focus and that is defined in our Congressional Charter. In the few cities where this has happened, attendance in the exhibit areas drops dramatically.
2) Having items located in separate rooms increases our security costs as well.
Greg >>
Reduce the space by increasing the price of the tables and making less available. Make the same money, reduce the space and broaden the venue options.
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