ANA News: ANA Board to consider site selections for future conventions

commoncents05 · February 23, 2015 5:40AM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Monday, February 23, 2015

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ANA Board to consider site selections for future conventions

Governors meeting at National Money Show will be broadcast online

The American Numismatic Association Board of Governors will hold an Open Session and Town Hall during the Portland National Money ShowSM starting at 8:30 a.m. (Pacific Standard Time) on Saturday, March 7, in Room F150 at the Oregon Convention Center. The Open Session and Town Hall meeting will be broadcast online at Money.org and NationalMoneyShow.com with a replay available immediately afterward on the ANA's YouTube channel.

The board will discuss site selection for the 2019, 2020 and 2021 World's Fair of Money conventions. Proposed host cities include Baltimore, Boston, Chicago (Rosemont), Milwaukee, New Orleans, Salt Lake City, San Antonio, Seattle and Washington, D.C.

The board will also discuss site selection for the 2018, 2019, and 2020 National Money Shows. Proposed hosts include Atlanta, Austin, Charlotte, Las Vegas, Nashville, Phoenix, Raleigh, San Antonio and Virginia Beach.

Other agenda items include:

A proposal to change the requirements for Life Members. The proposal would require applicants for life membership to be ANA members for two consecutive years. Currently, the Bylaws require membership for three years before a member can become a Life Member.

A proposal to name Jim Fitzgerald the host chair and the Texas Numismatic Association and Dallas Coin Club as the host clubs for the 2016 National Money Show, which will be held March 3-5 in Dallas.

A 15-minute open discussion with the membership conducted by ANA President Walt Ostromecki and Bylaws Committee Chair Doug Andrews to review the impact of potential proposed changes to the election process and terms for the Board of Governors.

The board will take questions from the membership following the Open Session. Members who cannot attend will be able to ask questions during the live meeting through Twitter (@ANACoins) and Facebook (Facebook.com/numismatics).

The full agenda for the board meeting is online at Money.org/BOG under "Minutes and Agendas."

The American Numismatic Association is a congressionally chartered nonprofit educational organization dedicated to encouraging people to study and collect money and related items. The ANA helps its 25,500 members and the public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of education and outreach programs, as well as its museum, library, publications, conventions and seminars. For more information, call 719-632-2646 or go to www.money.org.

golden · February 23, 2015 6:16AM

Please not New Orleans for the World's Fair of Money. We were there in 1972 and 1981. It is miserably hot in August and is nothing but a slum. We have been to Chicago enough in the last few years. Baltimore, Boston, Milwaukee and Washington, D.C. would be fine.

SeattleSlammer · February 23, 2015 7:42AM

PTVETTER · February 23, 2015 7:58AM

What I can't understand is why isn't Pittsburgh on the list??

Big question in my mind!

No sales tax on coin or bullion

Reasonable hotel rates
Reasonable places to eat

A large percentage of ANA members within eight hour drive of Pittsburgh ( I believe 75%)

Lower parking rates than other cities.

So what is the problem.

Barndog · February 23, 2015 8:02AM

<< What I can't understand is why isn't Pittsburgh on the list??

Big question in my mind!

No sales tax on coin or bullion

Reasonable hotel rates
Reasonable places to eat

A large percentage of ANA members within eight hour drive of Pittsburgh ( I believe 75%)

Lower parking rates than other cities.

So what is the problem. >>

how are the union arrangements there? I understand Philadelphia won't get a show again because of the hassle and expense related to "union rules"

Twobitcollector · February 23, 2015 8:25AM

The Convention Center in Philly clean up it's act with the unions and should be considered for a future site.

TopographicOceans · February 23, 2015 8:29AM

Seattle should win based on Slammer's picture alone

EagleEye · February 23, 2015 8:32AM

Seattle is a good choice, but the problem is finding a hall that is available, cost effective and the proper size.

As I understand it, Philly is now in contention, since the labor unions lost their contract with the Convention Center.

JGnumismatics · February 23, 2015 8:35AM

I'd love to see the conventions hit Boston, would be great to drive an hour to the show each day and sleep in my own bed at night haha

EVillageProwler · February 23, 2015 8:41AM

I would love anywhere in the Northeast USA: Baltimore, DC and even Boston.

BTW, why did the unions lose their contract with the PCC? I know there was a hassle related to the now defunct Whitman show there, but the last Summer ANA show there was fine. Was their losing the contract related to the hassles at the Whitman show, or just a coincidence?

I live between Phily and NYC, so Phily would be an easy drive for me (just like last time).

EVP

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GregL · February 23, 2015 8:55AM

To address the various questions / suggestions...

<< I understand Philadelphia won't get a show again because of the hassle and expense related to "union rules". >>

Philadelphia will be hosting the 2018 World's Fair of Money. As indicated, the union situation in Philadelphia is much improved than in past years.

<< What I can't understand is why isn't Pittsburgh on the list?? >>

Probably because of Philadelphia in 2018.

<< Seattle should win based on Slammer's picture alone >>

The Seattle Convention Center considers the ANA show too small and will not bid for the convention.

Greg

Swampboy · February 23, 2015 9:13AM

<< The Seattle Convention Center considers the ANA show too small and will not bid for the convention.
Greg
>>

Greg, the Convention Center is not what I think of when I think of an ANA event.

This is ......Stadium Exhibition Center

A call to booking would get all the answers needed in this regard.

Slammer.
Keep at it, you'll get the hang of that DSLR sooner or later.

BryceM · February 23, 2015 9:20AM

OK. Here's a plug for Salt Lake City:

1) Delta hub with direct flights to 90 US cities.
2) The airport is 8 miles from downtown with easy taxi or light rail service.
3) 6975 hotel rooms within 1 mile of the Salt Palace Convention Center.
4) Millions of restaurants within walking distance of the Convention Center (PF Chang's, Ruth's Chris, Naked Fish, etc.)
5) Fresh mountain air (smoggy temperature inversions possible in the winter).
6) Enormous recent downtown renovation projects are now all up & operational.
7) Historical sites.
8) Mountains. Real ones!

GregL · February 23, 2015 9:56AM

<< 
Greg, the Convention Center is not what I think of when I think of an ANA event.

This is ......Stadium Exhibition Center

A call to booking would get all the answers needed in this regard.
>>

That facility would not work for several reasons:

1) There are no hotels in the immediate vicinity. Dealers are not going to want to take taxi's a mile or more to a hotel every day, nor would they want to ride shuttle buses (not that it is within the ANA's budget to do so).

2) For a World's Fair of Money, the ANA needs 200,000 contiguous square feet of exhibition space, along with meeting rooms. While that facility totals 200k sq ft, it's split across two halls, without additional meeting rooms.

Greg

RichieURich · February 23, 2015 10:06AM

Milwaukee? With a 5.6% sales tax that applies to coin sales, with no maximum?

Sort of kills the show, doesn't it?

Why would ANA even consider any location where there is a significant sales tax on coins with no limitation? Bad idea.

crypto79 · February 23, 2015 10:07AM

I vote San fran but I don't really care. Just not Rosemount again

Coinosaurus · February 23, 2015 10:15AM

<< I vote San fran but I don't really care. Just not Rosemount again >>

Hang in there, just a few more months until the Chicago experiment is behind us. Kudos to the Chicago Coin Club for a herculean effort over many years.

GregL · February 23, 2015 10:19AM

<< I vote San fran but I don't really care. Just not Rosemount again >>

San Francisco considers the ANA convention to be too small for them to bid.

Greg

GregL · February 23, 2015 10:20AM

<< Milwaukee? With a 5.6% sales tax that applies to coin sales, with no maximum?

Sort of kills the show, doesn't it?

Why would ANA even consider any location where there is a significant sales tax on coins with no limitation? Bad idea. >>

And this is likely why it won't be in Milwaukee...

Having said that, the number of locations possible for the ANA conventions is quite small if you exclude all taxable locales.

Greg

Lakesammman · February 23, 2015 10:21AM

Seems like Portland and Seattle are fine for the March show but the ANA probably takes a lot of heat from the East Coast crowd (dealers and collectors) for the travel time and distances.

Besides, how many great collections are out this way since TDN moved to Las Vegas??

WTCG · February 23, 2015 10:22AM

Of the cities listed to host the ANA WFM I'll put my money on Milwaukee being selected no matter what. There are better choices in my opinion (D.C., Boston, Seattle) but the ANA board has always had an obsessive fetish with wanting the ANA convention in Milwaukee. D.C. would be my first choice but chances are that will never happen.

For the Money Show my preference would be for Las Vegas and Austin. New Orleans is a place I like visiting but the 2013 Money Show proved that New Orleans is not an ideal choice for any type of coin show. Atlanta and Nashville are the worst options.

GregL · February 23, 2015 10:40AM

<< Seems like Portland and Seattle are fine for the March show but the ANA probably takes a lot of heat from the East Coast crowd (dealers and collectors) for the travel time and distances.
>>

The West Coast is actually quite well represented over the next few years:

2015 National Money Show - Portland

2016 World's Fair of Money - Anaheim

2017 World's Fair of Money - Denver Greg

GregL · February 23, 2015 10:41AM

<< Of the cities listed to host the ANA WFM I'll put my money on Milwaukee being selected no matter what. There are better choices in my opinion (D.C., Boston, Seattle) but the ANA board has always had an obsessive fetish with wanting the ANA convention in Milwaukee. D.C. would be my first choice but chances are that will never happen.

For the Money Show my preference would be for Las Vegas and Austin. New Orleans is a place I like visiting but the 2013 Money Show proved that New Orleans is not an ideal choice for any type of coin show. Atlanta and Nashville are the worst options. >>

Milwaukee and D.C. are taxable locations, so that's a major impediment. There is a STRONG desire to go to DC.. but we need to work out an exemption in order to do so. Las Vegas is taxable as well.

Greg

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WTCG · February 23, 2015 10:59AM

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<< Of the cities listed to host the ANA WFM I'll put my money on Milwaukee being selected no matter what. There are better choices in my opinion (D.C., Boston, Seattle) but the ANA board has always had an obsessive fetish with wanting the ANA convention in Milwaukee. D.C. would be my first choice but chances are that will never happen.

For the Money Show my preference would be for Las Vegas and Austin. New Orleans is a place I like visiting but the 2013 Money Show proved that New Orleans is not an ideal choice for any type of coin show. Atlanta and Nashville are the worst options. >>

Milwaukee and D.C. are taxable locations, so that's a major impediment. There is a STRONG desire to go to DC.. but we need to work out an exemption in order to do so. Las Vegas is taxable as well.

Greg >>

All of California is taxable but we still have numerous large size conventions there throughout the year. A tax exemption is a plus but in my opinion it is not mandatory nor a prerequisite for an ANA convention. Don't Massachusetts and Washington (state) have tax issues as well?

My concern with D.C. is that D.C., similar to SF, NYC and Seattle, might consider the ANA convention as being too small to host. If there is a strong desire to go to D.C. then by all means pursue that to the best of the organization's ability.

dogwood · February 23, 2015 11:19AM

San Jose had it a few years ago as I recall but the city scheduled a stupid Grand Prix street race that weekend so they moved the convention to San francisco.
The race was one and done.
We're no Long Beach, that's for sure.
(Race or coin show)

PTVETTER · February 23, 2015 11:20AM

If the ANA cared about taxes on coin and bullion they would take a FIRM stance and hold the conventions in states that have no sales tax on the coins and bullion.

That way other states may follow in order to benifit local businesses and collect taxes on the added revenue gained from coin conventions.

Who's side is the ANA on?

WTCG · February 23, 2015 11:25AM

<< San Jose had it a few years ago as I recall but the city scheduled a stupid Grand Prix street race that weekend so they moved the convention to San francisco.
The race was one and done.
We're no Long Beach, that's for sure.
(Race or coin show) >>

There are reasons why San Jose is referred to as the "Khloe Kardashian of the big Bay Area cities"...

I think the race happened two years. Either way the race was for a fifth string racing circuit event hosted by a city desperate for tourists and attention. The way San Jose treated the ANA back in 2005 was reprehensible.

GregL · February 23, 2015 11:36AM

<< All of California is taxable but we still have numerous large size conventions there throughout the year. A tax exemption is a plus but in my opinion it is not mandatory nor a prerequisite for an ANA convention. Don't Massachusetts and Washington (state) have tax issues as well?

My concern with D.C. is that D.C., similar to SF, NYC and Seattle, might consider the ANA convention as being too small to host. If there is a strong desire to go to D.C. then by all means pursue that to the best of the organization's ability. >>

California is an odd-ball where taxation only applies once you do a certain number of days business in-state. Long Beach keeps their shows below that number... but once you add additional shows, it gets tricky.

Massachusetts is tax-exempt for sales above $1000. Washington is tax-exempt for all numismatic purchases.

DC is interested in having the ANA show, but we need to find a way to gain a tax exemption for the convention to be held there.

Greg

PTVETTER · February 23, 2015 11:39AM

What states do not have sales tax on coins and bullion?

I will start with PA.

GregL · February 23, 2015 11:42AM

<< If the ANA cared about taxes on coin and bullion they would take a FIRM stance and hold the conventions in states that have no sales tax on the coins and bullion.

That way other states may follow in order to benifit local businesses and collect taxes on the added revenue gained from coin conventions.

Who's side is the ANA on? >>

If you want to limit ANA shows to only states with no taxation, you're down to a very short list:

Alaska - No suitable locations
Arizona - Phoenix (But not a desirable location for a summer convention and not considered a good convention city)
California - San Diego, Los Angeles, San Jose - But Nexus issues exist (SF considers us too small)
Colorado - Denver
Connecticut - No suitable locations
Delaware - No suitable locations
Florida - Orlando, Tampa
Georgia - Atlanta
Idaho - No suitable locations
Illinois - Rosemont
Iowa - No suitable locations
Louisiana - New Orleans
Maryland - Baltimore
Massachusetts - Boston
Michigan - Detroit
Missouri - St. Louis, Kansas City
Montana - No suitable locations
New Hampshire - No suitable locations
New York - NYC considers us too small
North Dakota - No suitable locations
Oregon - Portland
Pennsylvania - Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Rhode Island - No suitable locations
South Carolina - No suitable locations
South Dakota - No suitable locations
Texas - Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin, San Antonio
Utah - Salt Lake City
Washington - Seattle considers us too small
Wyoming - No suitable locations

Greg

WTCG · February 23, 2015 11:43AM

<< 

<< All of California is taxable but we still have numerous large size conventions there throughout the year. A tax exemption is a plus but in my opinion it is not mandatory nor a prerequisite for an ANA convention. Don't Massachusetts and Washington (state) have tax issues as well?

My concern with D.C. is that D.C., similar to SF, NYC and Seattle, might consider the ANA convention as being too small to host. If there is a strong desire to go to D.C. then by all means pursue that to the best of the organization's ability. >>

California is an odd-ball where taxation only applies once you do a certain number of days business in-state. Long Beach keeps their shows below that number... but once you add additional shows, it gets tricky.

Massachusetts is tax-exempt for sales above $1000. Washington is tax-exempt for all numismatic purchases.

DC is interested in having the ANA show, but we need to find a way to gain a tax exemption for the convention to be held there.

Greg >>

D.C. is known for being a bit of a tax-happy place compared to its neighboring states. How are the chances that the district government will grant a tax exemption for one specific convention such as the ANA convention?

GregL · February 23, 2015 11:45AM

<< How are the chances that the district government will grant a tax exemption for one specific convention such as the ANA convention? >>

We're trying....

Greg

messydesk · February 23, 2015 11:45AM

<< ... Don't Massachusetts and Washington (state) have tax issues as well? >>

If I recall, the ANA show in Boston a few years ago happened to coincide, at least partially, with a back-to-school sales tax holiday.

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segoja · February 23, 2015 11:52AM

When did Maryland repeal sales tax on coins? I collected and paid sales tax at the last Baltimore show.

Just today I received my temporary tax permit for the upcoming show.

Have I and the Whitman folks been missing something?

PTVETTER · February 23, 2015 11:56AM

It's better to have a short list than no list at all!

GregL · February 23, 2015 11:56AM

<< When did Maryland repeal sales tax on coins? I collected and paid sales tax at the last Baltimore show. >>

According to the information I have from ICTA, Maryland is tax-exempt for sales over $1000. Additionally, for wholesale transactions, dealers need a specific Maryland license.

PTVETTER · February 23, 2015 12:04PM

Maryland also has a law reguarding how may show a year a dealer can do in a year.

And the fact that a collector that spends less than $1000.00 still has to pay sales tax.

segoja · February 23, 2015 12:06PM

Greg,

You are exactly right in your last post about Maryland, but that is certainly not "no taxation" as per your previous post.

We should NEVER hold an ANA in any state that has any taxation on coins. Use the little bit of clout we have.

Just one dealers perspective.

WildIdea · February 23, 2015 12:08PM

<< If the ANA cared about taxes on coin and bullion they would take a FIRM stance and hold the conventions in states that have no sales tax on the coins and bullion.

That way other states may follow in order to benifit local businesses and collect taxes on the added revenue gained from coin conventions.

Who's side is the ANA on? >>

Bingo!

No sales tax for coins and bullion in South Dakota.........for what it's worth.

claychaser · February 23, 2015 12:14PM

<< When did Maryland repeal sales tax on coins? I collected and paid sales tax at the last Baltimore show.

Just today I received my temporary tax permit for the upcoming show.

Have I and the Whitman folks been missing something? >>

Maryland is one of those states where sales over a certain amount are exempt. Maryland is over $1000 is exempt, California $1500, etc.

GregL · February 23, 2015 12:16PM

<< We should NEVER hold an ANA in any state that has any taxation on coins. Use the little bit of clout we have. >>

Let me show you where that leaves us... would people really be happy with that short of a list?

Arizona - Phoenix (But not a desirable location for a summer convention and not considered a good convention city)
Colorado - Denver
Georgia - Atlanta
Illinois - Rosemont
Louisiana - New Orleans
Michigan - Detroit
Missouri - St. Louis, Kansas City
Oregon - Portland
Pennsylvania - Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Texas - Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin, San Antonio
Utah - Salt Lake City

Other states eliminated:

Alaska - No suitable locations
California - Tax nexus
Connecticut - No suitable locations
Delaware - No suitable locations
Florida - Sales tax on foreign coins and bullion
Idaho - No suitable locations
Iowa - No suitable locations
Maryland - Tax over $1000
Massachusetts - Tax over $1000
Montana - No suitable locations
New Hampshire - No suitable locations
New York - Tax over $1000
North Dakota - No suitable locations
Rhode Island - No suitable locations
South Carolina - No suitable locations
South Dakota - No suitable locations
Washington - Seattle considers us too small
Wyoming - No suitable locations

Greg

messydesk · February 23, 2015 12:16PM

<< 

<< If the ANA cared about taxes on coin and bullion they would take a FIRM stance and hold the conventions in states that have no sales tax on the coins and bullion.

That way other states may follow in order to benifit local businesses and collect taxes on the added revenue gained from coin conventions.

Who's side is the ANA on? >>

Bingo!

No sales tax for coins and bullion in South Dakota.........for what it's worth. >>

Yes.

And from what I hear, Sturgis, SD is able to host a large convention.

segoja · February 23, 2015 12:23PM

So the entire city of Seattle says no to a convention from the ANA???

I would think some venue near Seattle would more than welcome a moderate size convention like the ANA.

I think more diligence needs to be done on some of the possible other locations in states that do not have sales tax.

The short list is still a good list and gives more than ample opportunity to rotate show locations.

GregL · February 23, 2015 12:27PM

<< So the entire city of Seattle says no to a convention from the ANA???

I would think some venue near Seattle would more than welcome a moderate size convention like the ANA. >>

The ANA requires 200,000 sq ft. of contiguous exhibit space. That eliminates 98% of the convention facilities in the country. Add to that the need for nearby / attached hotels (security) and an airport with mainline jet service and it eliminates almost all cities.

There was a recommendation earlier for the CenturyLink field's exhibition space -- except there are no hotels nearby and the space isn't as large as we need.

Basically we are a large convention -- without the associated food & beverage expense that many convention centers expect for such a gathering.

Greg

claychaser · February 23, 2015 12:28PM

<< 

<< We should NEVER hold an ANA in any state that has any taxation on coins. Use the little bit of clout we have. >>

Let me show you where that leaves us... would people really be happy with that short of a list?

Michigan - Detroit

Greg >>

Greg, Grand Rapids, MI has a modern convention with a 162,000 square foot convention hall. Plus jet service from the major airlines and Southwest Airlines. It's also in driving range of Chicago.

It's just a world apart from Detroit. What say you?

Davideo · February 23, 2015 12:31PM

<< 

<< 

<< We should NEVER hold an ANA in any state that has any taxation on coins. Use the little bit of clout we have. >>

Let me show you where that leaves us... would people really be happy with that short of a list?

Michigan - Detroit

Greg >>

Greg, Grand Rapids, MI has a modern convention with a 162,000 square foot convention hall. Plus jet service from the major airlines and Southwest Airlines. It's also in driving range of Chicago.

It's just a world apart from Detroit. What say you? >>

That would be well short of 200,000 square foot requirement outlined in the post just above.

GregL · February 23, 2015 12:32PM

<< Greg, Grand Rapids, MI has a modern convention with a 162,000 square foot convention hall. Plus jet service from the major airlines and Southwest Airlines. It's also in driving range of Chicago.

It's just a world apart from Detroit. What say you? >>

ANA shows require 200,000 sq ft in an single exhibit hall. Additionally, I believe many flights into GRR are on regional jets which require checking most carryon bags.

Greg

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