<< <i>I mean no disrespect to dpeck, or anyone else, but asking a seller to turn an auction into a buy it now is low. It doesn't matter if you are paying market value, or more, you're pulling an item that was meant to run as an auction and ending the opportunity to for others to have their fair shot at it. It's dishonest and, IMO, is right at the level of shilling. If you want something for $x then put that in your snipe and move on...
I don't want to get in a debate about it as I know there are plenty of people who don't share this view, but I just wanted to say my take on it. I don't think anything less about members here who do this, just wish they didn't. >>
+1 only because I had some items FINALLY come up for auction. I was going to put up some good money to get them and BOOM "the auction has ended' and sold for buy it now prices well below what I would have paid. So it does not mean the seller "made out". Actually he LOST money. Plus it kinda feels like a backdoor move to shut out other bidders whom MIGHT have outbid your butt.
Interesting read, this thread. I suppose if we all reacted the same way, it would be borderline unbearable around these parts. But as far as I'm concerned, Lee squared up on the nail. On the rare occasion a dose of real life is injected into a transaction, I think you're doing yourself a grave disservice by refusing to assimilate and adapt. If a widow selling a baseball card to keep herself warm during the winter doesn't give you pause, then this is where we shake hands and head different directions. And that's not intended to be a knock toward anyone with a rigid, "too bad, so sad" mindset; based on the responses, I have good friends staring at me from the other side. 'Tis normal and to be expected. Personally speaking, I just know that if this hobby ever affords me the opportunity to fall bass ackwards into good fortune, I'm immediately coming off the deck to see how I can pay it forward.
Mind you, we're talking about a relatively trifling sum that markedly transformed itself into four or five figures in virtually one fell swoop. Any reasonably-sized gift and the OP can still perform can openers into a pool of benjamins. If he adheres to an unyielding letter of the law, I don't think it makes him a bad dude. But if he does decide to go above and beyond, suffice it to say he'll be wallowing in good karma.
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<< <i>I mean no disrespect to dpeck, or anyone else, but asking a seller to turn an auction into a buy it now is low. It doesn't matter if you are paying market value, or more, you're pulling an item that was meant to run as an auction and ending the opportunity to for others to have their fair shot at it. It's dishonest and, IMO, is right at the level of shilling. If you want something for $x then put that in your snipe and move on...
I don't want to get in a debate about it as I know there are plenty of people who don't share this view, but I just wanted to say my take on it. I don't think anything less about members here who do this, just wish they didn't. >>
+1 only because I had some items FINALLY come up for auction. I was going to put up some good money to get them and BOOM "the auction has ended' and sold for buy it now prices well below what I would have paid. So it does not mean the seller "made out". Actually he LOST money. Plus it kinda feels like a backdoor move to shut out other bidders whom MIGHT have outbid your butt. >>
well said. "well I know i'll get outbid so let me try to snake this auction some other way" I think dpeck even has a quote somewhere on this forum stating he can't compete with other wallets so he has to find "thriftier ways" to get his cards. while not an exact quote, it's in there somewhere...not worth my time searching for it.
Personally speaking, I just know that if this hobby ever affords me the opportunity to fall bass ackwards into good fortune, I'm immediately coming off the deck to see how I can pay it forward.
Exactly. I've seen guys smash huge six-figure paydays in poker tourneys and not tip the dealers a dime. Some folks just don't think or care about other people, and don't mind if other people think or care about them. It's a way to live I guess, but I can't imagine it's fulfilling.
<< <i>ah, the auction was up to $150 at that point, so doubt that very seriously. glad you got the creased card pack though. as the other 8 helped me get that 1 spot in an honest fashion. twice! until that point, I was only interested in the flair card. funny, how the lord works in mysterious ways. >>
Somehow I missed this gem earlier. Yes, Yahweh is definitely concerned about who owns a piece of cardboard sporting a photo of some spandex-clad behemoth, and how much they paid for said cardboard.
This reminds me a little bit of my dealings with my local coin shop. He doesn't know much about cards, and yes, I've gotten some good deals from him. However I've also overpaid on a few items and given him some great deals on things I've sold him. But all of these items are under $100 and profit is being made by both of us.
He also has a multi signed Ruth ball that I posted about here in the past. I thought about buying it for 300-500 but would've had another 300+ in grading fees. I think it's good, but am reluctant to take that size of a risk. We're now in discussions to split the grading fee, and assuming it passes, sell and split the profits...at what percentage is still being discussed.
I limit my upside but protect my down in case it's fake. Same for him.
That being said, I get low balling on a potential fake. And in my case I'm dealing with a pro, or at least someone who buys and sells for a living. I'm also in the camp that's down with off eBay transactions and with changing an auction to a BIN. I've seen plenty of auction/BINs so I don't see much of a difference. I just recently saw a card I wanted with a current bid of 125 and a BIN of 165 with a few days left. Sure, I might have got it for less, but I might not have gotten it. I hit BIN. So making an offer to a seller on an auction doesn't seem out of line so long as it's not a total take...but Seller needs to be as aware as a Buyer when wading into unknown. Also consider time value of money. Some money now may be better than more money later...especially if it may come with an unexpected high dollar return if it doesn't pass.
If part of the deal included the uncertainty of authenticity, then buyer still has every chance to make this a transaction one above reproach. Obviously that's between him, her and his conscience.
There's 2 cents nobody asked for.
52-90 All Sports, Mostly Topps, Mostly HOF, and some assorted wax.
If the seller could figure out how to list it on eBay, with a mostly correct title and pictures - the seller could figure out how much it was really worth with a little due diligence.
I get the altruistic side - I really do. But ultimately, if you're going to try to pay your bills buy selling things, it's most definitely in your best interest to figure out what your things are worth, if for no other reason than to figure out which things to sell first.
<< <i>I have purchased a few items where I email the seller and see if they will turn it into a buy it now. >>
yes, like the carnation flair pack a few years back from the pawn shop in ohio in which I was the high bidder. probably didn't think I knew about that one... >>
All the details are in the Carnation thread. I was very excited about that score.
You are forgetting I got the entire set in sealed packs. >>
The good news is they were just wrestling cards. >>
LOL, awesome.
I've been saying for the last few years, the wrestling card market will crash harder than the housing market when the dozen or so guys who collect the junk decide to get out.
while laughable, I agree....i kinda like my wrestling cards right next to my mantle, ryan, rose and 52 topps sets. I also have an elvis card, a gene wilder card, a phish card, a panic card and a whole bunch of things that would probably blow your mind with laughter, I think I even have a cobra commander card back there somewhere...I also have the #1 nolan ryan set (oh and the #2 set as well) and a mantle set with a whole bunch of 9s.
but i'm sure collecting cards of some guy stuck in a freezer down in south florida couldn't be argued as laughable either or some guy kicked outta the league for gambling, right?
and in the grand scheme of things, just saying wrestling cardboard compared to any other cardboard is kinda funny in it's own right....
"can you believe he paid $1000 on that? meanwhile let me cough up $2000 on this yaz cardboard"
hi, pot...my name is the kettle!
posting all in fun, just hope you can see the irony in yours...
<< <i>while laughable, I agree....i kinda like my wrestling cards right next to my mantle, ryan, rose and 52 topps sets.
and i'm sure collecting cards of some guy stuck in a freezer down in south florida couldn't be argued as laughable either, right?
and in the grand scheme of things, just saying wrestling cardboard compared to any other cardboard is kinda funny in it's own right?
"can you believe he paid $1000 on that? meanwhile let me cough up $2000 on this yaz card"
hi, pot? my name is the kettle! >>
Let me be clear: I don't think the Son of God cares about baseball or football cards either..... Or hockey cards, Pac Man cards, Magic cards, basketball cards, or any other cardboard. The implication that "The Lord" gives a crap about trading cards is what I'm objecting to.
With that being said, you are not even in the same universe as me when you talk about spending. $2,000 for a card?? Lol I've never even spent fifty bucks.
Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum, What might be right for you, may not be right for some. A man is born, he's a man of means. Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes. It takes, Diff'rent Strokes. It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Everybody's got a special kind of story Everybody finds a way to shine, It don't matter that you got not alot So what, They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine. And together we'll be fine....
Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world. Yes it does. It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world........
really dan. don't really know you, but just lost any respect I coulda had for you...you did a better job of twisting that verbage than a pretzel maker coulda.
so anyone that mentions holy grail is bringing scripture into play, as well? also, notice I use lower case, where as you refer to Him with the correct capital spelling...
are you really that bored? I feel sad for you.
if you have nothing better to do, consider a pm. as in, private message or tylenol. preferably the latter
I am fairly new to the boards. I do wonder why something fun and yes for some business for profit. Gets so personal. Kind of sad when I come on to get away from the real world. I deal enough with that in what I do. I do believe in Karma and the golden rule.
Has anyone seen, or have that picture of the two chocolate bunnies with bites out of them with the quotes 'My butt hurts' and 'What?'. If you have it please post it.
<< <i>Hope no one in the IRS is a CU member.... >>
You may want to use Google to read up a little on how taxes and the IRS actually work.
To the OP, congrats on a hell of a score. You didn't do anything wrong and in this day and age of the internet and Google you are not obligated in any way to educate a seller on what they have.
<< <i>So I've talked to a few people on the board about this in another forum. So now I'm just gonna ask everyone. It is in PSA's hands now and should be done on Monday! So this will be a very long weekend. This was a rare find, I bought it as a BIN on eBay. The lady's story lines up and she obviously didn't know what she had. The card was very flimsy and lightweight. There is a small indent (possibly a fingernail imprint) on the left shoulder, hard to see in the pictures. The one picture with the yellow background was a quick picture I snapped when I had it out of the case. The top right corner in the picture looks bad I think it was the light. It's not all that bad as u can see in the other pictures. Thanks for any opinions and I'm def hoping it's real! >>
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<< <i>what hope is there for the Average Joe (and I don't mean Joe the Plumber). >>
I'll have to check ESPN ocho
<< <i>As for following through with what I said. Yes I do plan to, I am a man of my word. What a choose to do is between me and her.
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Translation - $50 tops (possibly zero).
listen for those birds!
<< <i>I mean no disrespect to dpeck, or anyone else, but asking a seller to turn an auction into a buy it now is low. It doesn't matter if you are paying market value, or more, you're pulling an item that was meant to run as an auction and ending the opportunity to for others to have their fair shot at it. It's dishonest and, IMO, is right at the level of shilling. If you want something for $x then put that in your snipe and move on...
I don't want to get in a debate about it as I know there are plenty of people who don't share this view, but I just wanted to say my take on it. I don't think anything less about members here who do this, just wish they didn't. >>
+1 only because I had some items FINALLY come up for auction. I was going to put up some good money to get them and BOOM "the auction has ended' and sold for buy it now prices well below what I would have paid. So it does not mean the seller "made out". Actually he LOST money. Plus it kinda feels like a backdoor move to shut out other bidders whom MIGHT have outbid your butt.
Mind you, we're talking about a relatively trifling sum that markedly transformed itself into four or five figures in virtually one fell swoop. Any reasonably-sized gift and the OP can still perform can openers into a pool of benjamins. If he adheres to an unyielding letter of the law, I don't think it makes him a bad dude. But if he does decide to go above and beyond, suffice it to say he'll be wallowing in good karma.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
”perform can openers into a pool of benjamins”
That is f'ing poetry, my friend. Well done.
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>
<< <i>I mean no disrespect to dpeck, or anyone else, but asking a seller to turn an auction into a buy it now is low. It doesn't matter if you are paying market value, or more, you're pulling an item that was meant to run as an auction and ending the opportunity to for others to have their fair shot at it. It's dishonest and, IMO, is right at the level of shilling. If you want something for $x then put that in your snipe and move on...
I don't want to get in a debate about it as I know there are plenty of people who don't share this view, but I just wanted to say my take on it. I don't think anything less about members here who do this, just wish they didn't. >>
+1 only because I had some items FINALLY come up for auction. I was going to put up some good money to get them and BOOM "the auction has ended' and sold for buy it now prices well below what I would have paid. So it does not mean the seller "made out". Actually he LOST money. Plus it kinda feels like a backdoor move to shut out other bidders whom MIGHT have outbid your butt. >>
well said. "well I know i'll get outbid so let me try to snake this auction some other way" I think dpeck even has a quote somewhere on this forum stating he can't compete with other wallets so he has to find "thriftier ways" to get his cards. while not an exact quote, it's in there somewhere...not worth my time searching for it.
Exactly. I've seen guys smash huge six-figure paydays in poker tourneys and not tip the dealers a dime. Some folks just don't think or care about other people, and don't mind if other people think or care about them. It's a way to live I guess, but I can't imagine it's fulfilling.
<< <i>ah, the auction was up to $150 at that point, so doubt that very seriously. glad you got the creased card pack though. as the other 8 helped me get that 1 spot in an honest fashion. twice! until that point, I was only interested in the flair card. funny, how the lord works in mysterious ways. >>
Somehow I missed this gem earlier. Yes, Yahweh is definitely concerned about who owns a piece of cardboard sporting a photo of some spandex-clad behemoth, and how much they paid for said cardboard.
This reminds me a little bit of my dealings with my local coin shop. He doesn't know much about cards, and yes, I've gotten some good deals from him. However I've also overpaid on a few items and given him some great deals on things I've sold him. But all of these items are under $100 and profit is being made by both of us.
He also has a multi signed Ruth ball that I posted about here in the past. I thought about buying it for 300-500 but would've had another 300+ in grading fees. I think it's good, but am reluctant to take that size of a risk. We're now in discussions to split the grading fee, and assuming it passes, sell and split the profits...at what percentage is still being discussed.
I limit my upside but protect my down in case it's fake. Same for him.
That being said, I get low balling on a potential fake. And in my case I'm dealing with a pro, or at least someone who buys and sells for a living. I'm also in the camp that's down with off eBay transactions and with changing an auction to a BIN. I've seen plenty of auction/BINs so I don't see much of a difference. I just recently saw a card I wanted with a current bid of 125 and a BIN of 165 with a few days left. Sure, I might have got it for less, but I might not have gotten it. I hit BIN. So making an offer to a seller on an auction doesn't seem out of line so long as it's not a total take...but Seller needs to be as aware as a Buyer when wading into unknown. Also consider time value of money. Some money now may be better than more money later...especially if it may come with an unexpected high dollar return if it doesn't pass.
If part of the deal included the uncertainty of authenticity, then buyer still has every chance to make this a transaction one above reproach. Obviously that's between him, her and his conscience.
There's 2 cents nobody asked for.
But my 1.9999999 cents:
If the seller could figure out how to list it on eBay, with a mostly correct title and pictures - the seller could figure out how much it was really worth with a little due diligence.
I get the altruistic side - I really do. But ultimately, if you're going to try to pay your bills buy selling things, it's most definitely in your best interest to figure out what your things are worth, if for no other reason than to figure out which things to sell first.
Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
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<< <i>I have purchased a few items where I email the seller and see if they will turn it into a buy it now. >>
yes, like the carnation flair pack a few years back from the pawn shop in ohio in which I was the high bidder. probably didn't think I knew about that one... >>
All the details are in the Carnation thread. I was very excited about that score.
You are forgetting I got the entire set in sealed packs. >>
The good news is they were just wrestling cards. >>
LOL, awesome.
I've been saying for the last few years, the wrestling card market will crash harder than the housing market when the dozen or so guys who collect the junk decide to get out.
but i'm sure collecting cards of some guy stuck in a freezer down in south florida couldn't be argued as laughable either or some guy kicked outta the league for gambling, right?
and in the grand scheme of things, just saying wrestling cardboard compared to any other cardboard is kinda funny in it's own right....
"can you believe he paid $1000 on that? meanwhile let me cough up $2000 on this yaz cardboard"
hi, pot...my name is the kettle!
posting all in fun, just hope you can see the irony in yours...
<< <i>while laughable, I agree....i kinda like my wrestling cards right next to my mantle, ryan, rose and 52 topps sets.
and i'm sure collecting cards of some guy stuck in a freezer down in south florida couldn't be argued as laughable either, right?
and in the grand scheme of things, just saying wrestling cardboard compared to any other cardboard is kinda funny in it's own right?
"can you believe he paid $1000 on that? meanwhile let me cough up $2000 on this yaz card"
hi, pot? my name is the kettle! >>
Let me be clear: I don't think the Son of God cares about baseball or football cards either..... Or hockey cards, Pac Man cards, Magic cards, basketball cards, or any other cardboard. The implication that "The Lord" gives a crap about trading cards is what I'm objecting to.
With that being said, you are not even in the same universe as me when you talk about spending. $2,000 for a card?? Lol I've never even spent fifty bucks.
"and the lord uses the good ones, and the bad ones use the lord"
take care, dan!
Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....
Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world........
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<< <i>I think everybody will agree that this is not the place to discuss religion in any respect >>
Then why did you bring Him into the discussion?
so anyone that mentions holy grail is bringing scripture into play, as well? also, notice I use lower case, where as you refer to Him with the correct capital spelling...
are you really that bored? I feel sad for you.
if you have nothing better to do, consider a pm. as in, private message or tylenol. preferably the latter
as stated, this forum isn't the place.
try yiddishmingle.com
<< <i>Hope no one in the IRS is a CU member....
Only a tax issue when it's sold for a gain.
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<< <i>Hope no one in the IRS is a CU member....
Only a tax issue when it's sold for a gain. >>
Nah. I see Ripkenfan's kids unkowingly giving it away for about $299 someday after he dies. And the circle of life is complete.
let's eat, grandma.
comma's save lives.
<< <i>let's eat grandma.
let's eat, grandma.
comma's save lives. >>
Isn't it commas, no apostrophe?
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<< <i>Hope no one in the IRS is a CU member....
You may want to use Google to read up a little on how taxes and the IRS actually work.
To the OP, congrats on a hell of a score. You didn't do anything wrong and in this day and age of the internet and Google you are not obligated in any way to educate a seller on what they have.
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<< <i>let's eat grandma.
let's eat, grandma.
comma's save lives. >>
Isn't it commas, no apostrophe? >>
I don't think so? let's / let us eat grandma, right?
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<< <i>let's eat grandma.
let's eat, grandma.
comma's save lives. >>
Isn't it commas, no apostrophe? >>
I don't think so? let's / let us eat grandma, right? >>
"Commas." Not "comma's."
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
Speaking of cents, this Ripken sold for 30,000 cents but may sell for 1.5 MILLION cents!
<< <i>comma's save lives. >>
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<< <i>Hope no one in the IRS is a CU member....
Only a tax issue when it's sold for a gain. >>
Nah. I see Ripkenfan's kids unkowingly giving it away for about $299 someday after he dies. And the circle of life is complete. >>
True!
However, they could sell it after he dies for one meeeeelion dollars and pay no tax due to the full step up in basis at death!
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<< <i>comma, comma, comma, comma chameleon? >>
you comma go / you comma go
There, they're, their
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<< <i>So I've talked to a few people on the board about this in another forum. So now I'm just gonna ask everyone. It is in PSA's hands now and should be done on Monday! So this will be a very long weekend. This was a rare find, I bought it as a BIN on eBay. The lady's story lines up and she obviously didn't know what she had. The card was very flimsy and lightweight. There is a small indent (possibly a fingernail imprint) on the left shoulder, hard to see in the pictures. The one picture with the yellow background was a quick picture I snapped when I had it out of the case. The top right corner in the picture looks bad I think it was the light. It's not all that bad as u can see in the other pictures.
Thanks for any opinions and I'm def hoping it's real!
Second verse Same as the first ! GO
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Wow. A Vette sighting.