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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And you thought derivatives were a great threat to the mega banks

    The commodity deflation boom must surely be taking its toll on the megabanks. On behalf of these banks look for the FED to more agressively fight deflation and declining commodity prices.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And you thought derivatives were a great threat to the mega banks

    No I didnt. image



    Goldman Sachs had four tolling agreements and a wholly-owned subsidiary, Cogentrix, with ownership interests in over 30 power plants

    Nope, Carlyle owns Cogentrix. Granted it was acquired by Carlyle in late 2012, and may have been owned by GS at the time of the report, it does bring into question what other info presented by the blog is also in error.


    http://www.mining.com/goldman-sachs-getting-out-of-coal-uranium-39738/

    AH HA!!! It all makes sense now!!!... From the link above..

    Goldman got into the uranium trading market when it purchased Nufcor from Constellation Energy Group in 2009. That year, as uranium prices soared prior to the Fu kushima disaster in 2011, Goldman and Deutsche Bank were the only banks actively trading uranium. The two banks were handling nearly a third of all spot trades in the uranium market according to sources quoted by Reuters. Goldman's trading of yellowcake, or U308, rose tenfold from 2009 to reach 12.8 million pounds in 2013, the Senate report states- with the value of its uranium inventories surpassing $240 million

    Clearly it is obvious that Goldman caused the earthquake and tsunami that damaged the nuke plant. They probably also planted some bombs in the plant "just in case". The explosion of those bombs was even caught on video. Goldmans earthquake disaster killed almost 20,000 people. THIS IS PROOF of a NEW WORLD ORDER to depopulated and contaminate the EARTH. To enrich the BANKSTERS. To deny this is idiotic!!!

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You are correct. The megabanks' gambling habit poses no risk to the economy or to the rest of us. 2008 was just a bad dream. image

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't try to tell me there's not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America. Why has a $4 scrip for doxycycline at Walmart jumped to $400? And this is in spite of healthcare becoming "affordable".
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    << <i>Don't try to tell me there's not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America. Why has a $4 scrip for doxycycline at Walmart jumped to $400? And this is in spite of healthcare becoming "affordable". >>



    You're right. These social engineers study human behavior and they use keywords to try and mislead people. BO care was nothing but a con job pushed on to the American people. And there's certainly nothing affordable about it.

    As for the conspiracy to bleed the middle class, you can read many of these string pullers own white papers and books where they say their end goal is to make all of us poor. By reading their own words, the globalists' all believe that poor people can be controlled more easily than people with money. Their words. Not mine.
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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't try to tell me there's not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America. Why has a $4 scrip for doxycycline at Walmart jumped to $400? And this is in spite of healthcare becoming "affordable". >>




    I am not going to try, im gonna do it.....there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    << <i>Don't try to tell me there's not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America. Why has a $4 scrip for doxycycline at Walmart jumped to $400? And this is in spite of healthcare becoming "affordable". >>




    I am not going to try, im gonna do it.....there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America. >>



    If anyone believes that, I have a bridge I will sell you..
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    << <i> When will the next crash be, and how bad will it be (in % crash in the S&P, Dow, and Nasdaq)? >>




    << <i> Rather than answering my question, you claim the government is controlling the financial markets and they know everything. It just shows that you know nothing-not that the government knows everything. >>


    And this shows how naive you are. No one outside of the FED, especially here, is going to be able to tell you when the markets will crash and how far they are going to crash. Best you can do is guess right along with the rest of us. Even the FED cannot pinpoint exactly when and how far but they are in the driver's seat and have the ability to make it happen tomorrow if they so desire. Like I said, my guess is they are postponing it as long as possible. The FED controls the punch bowl. What you get to drink and how much depends on them. >>



    No one inside the fed is able to tell you when the markets will crash and how big a given crash will be. Stop pretending like it isn't guessing for everybody...you are probably one of those people who thinks "the books are cooked" when employment numbers come in strong.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You are correct. The megabanks' gambling habit poses no risk to the economy or to the rest of us. 2008 was just a bad dream. image >>



    Brazilian oil giant Petrobas is getting closer to triggering the potential failure of $4 BILL in credit default swaps

    There are those pesky l'il derivatives posing no risk again. The only real difference between 2008 and today are some of the world's stock markets which are acting as safe havens for the time being. Other than that, the 2 periods are similar. Had the FED officially back-stopped the US SM in 2008 it may have continued to go up from October 2007 rather than correcting.



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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Don't try to tell me there's not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America. Why has a $4 scrip for doxycycline at Walmart jumped to $400? And this is in spite of healthcare becoming "affordable". >>




    I am not going to try, im gonna do it.....there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America. >>



    If anyone believes that, I have a bridge I will sell you.. >>




    I'm not in the market for a bridge but I'll buy anything if the price is right? However from the other wares I see you trying to sell your price is vprobably grossly unrealistic and its condition dubious.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America

    Okay, it's not really a conspiracy. Cloward & Pivens are mainstream now. If you think you'll be insulated from it for your entire life, you'll probably be sorely disappointed.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you are probably one of those people who thinks "the books are cooked" when employment numbers come in strong

    You are probably one of those people who has never heard of John Williams.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    << <i>there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America

    Okay, it's not really a conspiracy. Cloward & Pivens are mainstream now. If you think you'll be insulated from it for your entire life, you'll probably be sorely disappointed. >>



    Oh, there you go with those pesky facts again.. What? Do you mean they actually created a plan to bring America down?

    What many fail to realize is that those radicals from the 60's who believe in the Cloward and Piven strategy are in charge of the country right now. Look at the welfare numbers since BO came in. It looks like they are being pretty effective thus far. Oh, there's nothing to worry about. There are no problems.

    Who cares if we have about half of the country dependent on the big G? Who cares if the employment numbers are cooked? Who cares if they are printing tons of fiat currency? Who cares that the markets are manipulated? Really, who cares? Those "crazy conspiracy theorists"? LOL... Shhhh........ Go back to sleep, my fellow Americans!
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shhhh........ Go back to sleep, my fellow Americans!

    No, no, WaKe Up!! image Be OuTraGeD! image Rant to strangers in angry, off topic posts on obscure hobby message boards! THaT's the path to happiness and fulfilment

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America

    Okay, it's not really a conspiracy. Cloward & Pivens are mainstream now. If you think you'll be insulated from it for your entire life, you'll probably be sorely disappointed. >>




    Oh boy, Stan is getting to you. image




    radicals from the 60's who believe in the Cloward and Piven strategy are in charge of the country right now

    More Glenn Beck nonsense. Why seemingly intelligent people (you Stan) actually follow and pay credence to this horses--t is fascinating.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cloward and Piven... they actually created a plan to bring America down

    Well, at least we know who "they" are.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's no concerted effort to minimize the US middle class. It's just coincidence that Homeland Security was created for our own protection. DHS has over 1.6 BILL hollow point bullets ready to go along with 2200 armored vehicles, police departments are now looking more like army reserve units, there are approx 800 "emergency" FEMA prison camps now sitting empty around the US, half a million coffin liners, etc. Maybe it's just me. But, this kind of stuff doesn't seem like it's for our own protection. And while we were being protected by all this.... private citizen bankruptcy laws were scaled down to remove most loopholes...and taxpayers are now on the hook for TBTF banks derivatives trading/bets. It's all good. Hey, where's the nearest FEMA camp to Baleyville?

    800 FEMA camps plus all this paperwork just for J6P?
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    renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>You are correct. The megabanks' gambling habit poses no risk to the economy or to the rest of us. 2008 was just a bad dream. image >>



    Brazilian oil giant Petrobas is getting closer to triggering the potential failure of $4 BILL in credit default swaps

    There are those pesky l'il derivatives posing no risk again. The only real difference between 2008 and today are some of the world's stock markets which are acting as safe havens for the time being. Other than that, the 2 periods are similar. Had the FED officially back-stopped the US SM in 2008 it may have continued to go up from October 2007 rather than correcting. >>



    Petrobras...potential failure...how can this be? Didn't our beloved leader say we will be their No. 1 buyer? (This, after he gave Petrobras a $1B of our tax money to drill in waters many times deeper than the Gulf.)
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    renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Cloward and Piven... they actually created a plan to bring America down

    Well, at least we know who "they" are. >>



    "I am not going to try, im gonna do it.....there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America."

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    You're right, there is no conspiracy. It's just plain fact...for over 150 years. Karl Marx abhors the middle class. He says communism is the abolition of private property and currency. Marxists and others of their ilk have been infiltrating the US since the early 1900's. Progressivism by (their) definition is socialism by evolution. Our Congress has a Progressive Caucus with 69 declared members. This is the Democrat Party's socialist wing. Their end goal through PC, fairness, regulation, etc., is an elite ruling class (them) dictating the sheeple (us) how to live. Two classes. No middle class. Nope, no conspiracy, just fact.
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<o, no, WaKe Up!! Be OuTraGeD! Rant to strangers in angry, off topic posts on obscure hobby message boards! THaT's the path to happiness and fulfilment >>

    More importantly, know what you are investing in, and why.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    << <i>there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America

    Okay, it's not really a conspiracy. Cloward & Pivens are mainstream now. If you think you'll be insulated from it for your entire life, you'll probably be sorely disappointed. >>




    Oh boy, Stan is getting to you. image




    radicals from the 60's who believe in the Cloward and Piven strategy are in charge of the country right now

    More Glenn Beck nonsense. Why seemingly intelligent people (you Stan) actually follow and pay credence to this horses--t is fascinating. >>



    Here you go again...... I don't listen to Glenn Beck. If Glenn Beck is talking about Cloward and Piven then maybe he is coming around and waking up. I truly hope he is. I don't know, because I don't listen to him. Apparently, you do, or you would not know so much about him. Notice you don't want to talk about the Cloward and Piven strategy which is very real? You just punt and say it's horse hockey. It's not. It exists, and is being used on the American people as we speak. The welfare numbers speak volumes as proof.

    It's no secret that those radicals from the 60's have a very big influence on the current administration(Bill Ayers and Company). Like I said, we have about half of the country dependent on big G assistance. This has vastly increased under BO. Their plan looks to be working...

    Like roadrunner pointed out, they are not arming to the tee against the American people out of love. Open your eyes, Cohodk. Selling out to the system doesn't make you and your children immune. We all get the same treatment in the end if the people don't wake up and back all of this down.
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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Cloward and Piven... they actually created a plan to bring America down

    Well, at least we know who "they" are. >>



    "I am not going to try, im gonna do it.....there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America."

    ////

    You're right, there is no conspiracy. It's just plain fact...for over 150 years. Karl Marx abhors the middle class. He says communism is the abolition of private property and currency. Marxists and others of their ilk have been infiltrating the US since the early 1900's. Progressivism by (their) definition is socialism by evolution. Our Congress has a Progressive Caucus with 69 declared members. This is the Democrat Party's socialist wing. Their end goal through PC, fairness, regulation, etc., is an elite ruling class (them) dictating the sheeple (us) how to live. Two classes. No middle class. Nope, no conspiracy, just fact. >>




    150 years---thats like 6 or 7 generations. And they still havent succeeded. Imagine that.

    Its also a fact that Yellowstone hasnt blown up in the last 1000 years.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    << <i>you are probably one of those people who thinks "the books are cooked" when employment numbers come in strong

    You are probably one of those people who has never heard of John Williams. >>



    Just looked him up...he seems like Rick Santelli. Both are conspiracy theorist idiots.
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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America

    Okay, it's not really a conspiracy. Cloward & Pivens are mainstream now. If you think you'll be insulated from it for your entire life, you'll probably be sorely disappointed. >>




    Oh boy, Stan is getting to you. image




    radicals from the 60's who believe in the Cloward and Piven strategy are in charge of the country right now

    More Glenn Beck nonsense. Why seemingly intelligent people (you Stan) actually follow and pay credence to this horses--t is fascinating. >>



    Here you go again...... I don't listen to Glenn Beck. If Glenn Beck is talking about Cloward and Piven then maybe he is coming around and waking up. I truly hope he is. I don't know, because I don't listen to him. Apparently, you do, or you would not know so much about him. Notice you don't want to talk about the Cloward and Piven strategy which is very real? You just punt and say it's horse hockey. It's not. It exists, and is being used on the American people as we speak. The welfare numbers speak volumes as proof.

    It's no secret that those radicals from the 60's have a very big influence on the current administration(Bill Ayers and Company). Like I said, we have about half of the country dependent on big G assistance. This has vastly increased under BO. Their plan looks to be working...

    Like roadrunner pointed out, they are not arming to the tee against the American people out of love. Open your eyes, Cohodk. Selling out to the system doesn't make you and your children immune. We all get the same treatment in the end if the people don't wake up and back all of this down. >>




    I didnt say you do listen to Glenn Beck--just implying that you share his thoughts.

    Nothing to talk about Cloven because hes dead, and his wife Ploven is in her 80s. They are/were Columbia professors--nothing more needs to be said. Whether their ideas exist or not doesnt matter because society has and will continue to reject them. Welfare numbers will continue to increase as we have a growing population. You give the "radicals" way too much credit.

    The G is not armed to the tee(th) against the American people. If you believe this then you know nothing about the American armed forces. For someone who rails against the "bought and paid for media" you sure do reiterate their "agenda" of fear and angst.

    We will all get the same treatment in the end no matter what happens--even if aliens come to take back their gold, or if GS decides to create another earthquake.

    Stanley, perhaps my eyes are open much more than yours.


    So, did 2014 end like 2008?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>you are probably one of those people who thinks "the books are cooked" when employment numbers come in strong

    You are probably one of those people who has never heard of John Williams. >>



    Just looked him up...he seems like Rick Santelli. Both are conspiracy theorist idiots. >>


    Why? Because he's an economists who points out that economic data calculation methods were changed in order to provide more "favorable" results?
    Show me anything he says that is not true.

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    << <i>

    << <i>you are probably one of those people who thinks "the books are cooked" when employment numbers come in strong

    You are probably one of those people who has never heard of John Williams. >>



    Just looked him up...he seems like Rick Santelli. Both are conspiracy theorist idiots. >>


    Why? Because he's an economists who points out that economic data calculation methods were changed in order to provide more "favorable" results?
    Show me anything he says that is not true. >>



    I don't have a burden of proof to show that he is lying. If you think his points are valid, it is up to you to prove to the board that he is right. That isn't the way the burden of proof works. You know that-so stop shifting the burden of proof.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, did 2014 end like 2008?

    When do any two periods with numerous similarities end identically? Answer: never. We're in a similar mode as 2007-2009. And it will end in a crescendo like 2008 did. The FED is playing by a different rule book and with more advanced "paper" tools than they did in 2007-2009. They could drag this on for a few more years....or fall apart in a few months. But, it will eventually wrap up similar to a 2008 type crisis.

    Rick Santelli is now branded as a conspirator? Holy crap. Anyone who uses their head to think is now suspect and branded a fiat currency terrorist? Fortunately for Rick Santelli, his last name is not Liesman. I find that last name most interesting for a MSM econo-journalist.


    It's also a fact that Yellowstone hasn't blown up in the last 1000 years.

    More importantly, it WILL erupt up at some time in the future taking a large chunk of the US with it. Mother Nature doesn't care about fiat money, otc derivatives, gold, the stock market, or even Baleyville. When she's ready for a change, she produces it.
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    << <i>I didnt say you do listen to Glenn Beck--just implying that you share his thoughts.

    Nothing to talk about Cloven because hes dead, and his wife Ploven is in her 80s. They are/were Columbia professors--nothing more needs to be said. Whether their ideas exist or not doesnt matter because society has and will continue to reject them. Welfare numbers will continue to increase as we have a growing population. You give the "radicals" way too much credit.

    The G is not armed to the tee(th) against the American people. If you believe this then you know nothing about the American armed forces. For someone who rails against the "bought and paid for media" you sure do reiterate their "agenda" of fear and angst.

    We will all get the same treatment in the end no matter what happens--even if aliens come to take back their gold, or if GS decides to create another earthquake.

    Stanley, perhaps my eyes are open much more than yours.


    So, did 2014 end like 2008? >>



    Just because Beck talks about the Cloward and Piven strategy, it doesn't make it any less true. It's happening.

    Society isn't rejecting the Cloward and Piven strategy because it is being implemented in America. Look at the huge government dependency increases since BO and his radical pals from the 60's have taken over the country. This is part of the Cloward and Piven strategy for overwhelming and eventually collapsing the system. It doesn't matter if Cloward and Piven are dead or not because they have already influenced and trained their 'students' who are running the country, just as they have been taught.

    They don't purchase 2.2 billions rounds and start arming every gov agency(non military) for no reason. Anyone can look up the purchasing orders for the proof. The real question is why? And why now? They tried to downplay it by saying it was for training. It's not. Anyone who is informed knows you don't use hollow point rounds for target practice. Pure bull in hopes that the uninformed people will go back to sleep because they know no better.

    What about DHS using no hesitation targets of children, grandparents, young mothers, and pregnant women? Nah, nothing to see here.

    If one sits back and reads your posts, you act just like a paid disinformation specialist, cohodk.


    Cloward and Piven Strategy

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just looked him up...he seems like Rick Santelli. Both are conspiracy theorist idiots. >>




    << <i>Why? Because he's an economists who points out that economic data calculation methods were changed in order to provide more "favorable" results?
    Show me anything he says that is not true. >>




    << <i>I don't have a burden of proof to show that he is lying. If you think his points are valid, it is up to you to prove to the board that he is right. That isn't the way the burden of proof works. You know that-so stop shifting the burden of proof. >>


    You're the one calling him an idiot conspiracy theorist. Prove what he says is not true.

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just looked him up...he seems like Rick Santelli. Both are conspiracy theorist idiots.

    Santelli has been in the middle of the bond markets for about 30 years on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. I'm not sure how that makes him anything but a total realist. If you *ever* listen to a single one of his market recaps, you might get a glimpse of the level of his expertise.

    John Williams has been advising fortune 500 companies for decades as a paid consultant. Read the bio on his web page. The fact that you don't understand how the CPI has been routinely manipulated since the 1970's simply tells me that you are too young and/or naive to have ever even read about it.


    I don't have a burden of proof to show that he is lying.

    You think that John Williams is lying? You're ascribing some motive to his analysis beyond reporting of the data? He's using classical financial analytics that have been taught routinely for decades. The only thing that's changed is the government's reporting methodologies.

    I would question your (lack of) education and/or motives.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If in October 2007 as the DOW peaked over 12,000 someone told you that a year later (Oct 2008) that commodities would be in the toilet, oil down around $35, the dollar near multi-year highs, and bonds at record prices....would you still want to own the stock market? Clearly and logically the correct answer was NO. And stocks fully bottomed 5 months later after a 45% haircut.

    Now you're fast forwarded in a time machine to December 2014. And all you are told is that those conditions you experienced in October 2008 are once again duplicated.....commodities at 5-6 year lows, the dollar at 92, oil <$50, bonds near all time highs, and stocks made an all time high in Dec 2013. But, no information is given about where the stock market stands in Dec 2014. Would you want to own stocks in Dec 2014? There's probably not a single person here who would have said yes. Welcome to the Bizzarro Economy.



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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would you want to own stocks in Dec 2014?

    I've owned stocks continually since 1990, so "yes" to every year, regardless of context (though, of course, try to buy low and sell high to trade around the core positions)

    BTW, have owned precious metals since 1976, and real estate since 1993, for exactly the same reasons, and with the same strategy: Add when out of favor, reduce when things get frothy.

    Would never want to be out of the game completely; how do you know when to get back in?

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    renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Cloward and Piven... they actually created a plan to bring America down

    Well, at least we know who "they" are. >>



    "I am not going to try, im gonna do it.....there is not a conspiracy to bleed middle class America."

    ////

    You're right, there is no conspiracy. It's just plain fact...for over 150 years. Karl Marx abhors the middle class. He says communism is the abolition of private property and currency. Marxists and others of their ilk have been infiltrating the US since the early 1900's. Progressivism by (their) definition is socialism by evolution. Our Congress has a Progressive Caucus with 69 declared members. This is the Democrat Party's socialist wing. Their end goal through PC, fairness, regulation, etc., is an elite ruling class (them) dictating the sheeple (us) how to live. Two classes. No middle class. Nope, no conspiracy, just fact. >>




    150 years---thats like 6 or 7 generations. And they still havent succeeded. Imagine that.

    Its also a fact that Yellowstone hasnt blown up in the last 1000 years. >>



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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    borrowers who took out auto loans in the last year are missing payments at the highest level since the recession

    "It’s clear that credit quality is eroding now, and pretty quickly,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know about anyone else, but thank goodness 2008 and 2014 are past us.
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would never want to be out of the game completely; how do you know when to get back in?

    I admire your dedication to asset allocation management. It's one way to go and it sounds like it has served you well.image

    I don't rule stocks out completely, and I am willing to get back into some stocks when they aren't in a massive QE-induced bubble, when the FASB rules get changed back to a reality-based valuation regime for the banking industry, and when Glass-Stegall is re-implemented. If there are ever some serious indictments and prosecutions for fraud in the banking & futures exchanges, that will be a sign.

    Unfortunately, I don't think we're headed in that direction.
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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never ceases to amaze me the things people consider truth because its on the internet.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Never ceases to amaze me the things people consider truth because its on the internet. >>




    Other sources of "information" outside the internet would be TV MSM, radio, newspapers, books, magazines, word of mouth, electronic social media of various types, etc. So which of those sources are proven to be highly reliable without unbiased views or agendas, as well as far superior to the internet? The one I didn't mention was "creating" or making something up based on one's overall life's influences, however those may have been achieved. Unless one is an insider in a particular field or area, or have absolute trust in a friend or relative who has that knowledge, where do you find real truth? Just because it's not on the internet doesn't mean it's false. It won't be long before most of the world's information is only found on the internet/cloud/etc. Will it all be wrong by definition?
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never ceases to amaze me the things people will say to discredit those the don't agree with.

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    renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Never ceases to amaze me the things people will say to discredit those the don't agree with. >>



    Discredit...yup, I can see your point. Here at the P.M. Corral we're suppose to have discussions of ideas and keep the slander to minimum. That being said, comrade jmski, let us know when you're about to buy stocks. image

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well there are some opportunities in the stock market, every single day, But as such; there are many avenues of approach with one's assets. If I had more cash, it would NOT be on the sidelines. It would be in the field working. A few fields, in fact.
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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oy vey, I'm talking about big Stans link to DHS firing squad posters.

    Everyone should know by now that I prefer actual real world experience and common sense over sensationalism, hyperbole, opinion presented as fact (this boards favorite) and outright lies.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    comrade jmski, let us know when you're about to buy stocks.image


    Not yet. Does that help?image
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Oy vey, I'm talking about big Stans link to DHS firing squad posters.

    Everyone should know by now that I prefer actual real world experience and common sense over sensationalism, hyperbole, opinion presented as fact (this boards favorite) and outright lies. >>



    Snopes doesn't list this as a hoax. These posters are all over the internet from 2013 and I can't find a single website out of dozens of them that state this is or was a hoax. LET Inc. did create this posters at the request of specific Police Forces to better simulate "no hesitation" tactics. They sold these posters to Law Enforcement Agencies. This company has had $5.5 MILL in contracts with Law Enforcement, $2 MILL of that with DHS. While everyone is mum of who exactly requested and used these posters, they did exist. They have since been taken down from LET's website. That doesn't mean they still aren't being made and used. LET made a public apology on their FaceBook page for creating and marketing these posters. I did find a govt website confirming that LET, Inc. supplies the govt with $Millions in target contracts.

    If anyone has information proving this is all false, or LE agencies don't use these, please provide it. Stan's link appears 100% factual from the research I did to try and discredit it. The author of that article questioned if DHS was also using these posters considering LET is a supplier. We already know that Police somewhere requested these targets. I'm ok with "sensationalism" if the information is true. Don't shoot the messenger just because they happen to be on the internet. Not being able to find a single internet source even suggesting this is a hoax is in itself rather convincing. You'd think at least one police force or govt agency would have come out at that time to debunk the whole thing. Best I can see, no one did.

    These were marketed by LET, Inc. as "no more hesitation" targets. And they were removed from their catalog with a public apology. That doesn't sound like they were meant as "no shoot" training targets. I'd prefer not to have to have to experience a real world situation where it's proven that these targets were created for "no hesitation" purposes. If they are used all the time in law enforcement as some say, then why were they taken down? And if there are other similar targets out there from different suppliers, why haven't they also been identified and critiqued? LET, Inc. has been around for 21 years. Seems like they would know which end is up. Maybe their only "mistake" was publicly posting them....or having a lousy PR person.

    Law Enforcement Target's "no hesitation" target

    Another link showing LET's website offering these

    Another
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jim Rickards on a 25 yr depression.... linking together many financial topics of recent years. Didn't realize this guy was well-connected even back in the 1970's. The 25 yr depression sounds a bit far-fetched....though I could see the 2006-2031 as basically a deflationary/depressionary period even if it doesn't quite look like 1929-1940. The reworking of the world's financial and economic systems could be the same thing. FED with 77-1 debt to asset ratio. Interesting infomercial. If this type of insider info were all true, why aren't the big boyz putting a muzzle on him? He and Armstrong have completely opposite views of the Euro vs. US Dollar. Armstrong sees the Euro with a fatal flaw because each nation has it's own sovereign debt/bonds not linked to the Euro. Some of the market changes that have occurred since the video was made in August make some points appear a bit laughable. Still, both he and Armstrong agree a big bang to the system is coming. And a reasonable window for that to occur is inside the next 4.3 yr drop in Armstrong's economic confidence/business cycle decline (Oct 2015 - Jan 2020). 2020 will have similarities to 1994, 2002, 2011.

    Rickards

    Armstrong cycles

    McHugh generally agrees with these guys
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    JP Morgan's Wheel of Misfortune

    Click any topic on the wheel to give it a spin and see any one of the 25 different claims (a total of $29 billion) JPM has paid to settle for violating the law and defrauding either the public or its customers.

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For those who think the economy has improved since 2008. . . think again.

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    OperationButterOperationButter Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    after reading through this thread, I feel as if I am witnessing the movie/book The Hunger Games play out in front of my eyes. Lots of very interesting info posted in this thread. Thanks to all for sharing.
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