<< <i>His description is pretty forthright and he does offer a full refund if the box doesn't check out. I would imagine a payment of this amount would be held in escrow till the deal is sealed. >>
That is a fantastic description and offer. They have nothing to gain if you don't find the 3 Jordan's because now it is not a full case.
That is a risky guarantee, because you don't ALWAYS get three of any individual card in a box. Usually, you do. But that is not 100%, and they should be careful making that offer, even if they are completely certain of the pedigree of the case.
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Great piece but it is not a sealed case at the end of the day. I hope the guy gets his $300K but I think it is a little high given that it is opened. My guess is $255K.
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In 1987 I was really into baseball cards. I was at the local shop with my uncle, who was a huge card collector who loved buying any and all unopened product he could find. I remember the shop owner practically begging him to buy the 10 boxes of 1986-87 Fleer basketball collecting dust on his unopened shelf for $5 per box. My uncle passed and still kicks himself about it. I remember buying a rack box and a wax box of 1987 Topps baseball that day, which was about $25 total.
Cool seeing that auction. I wonder how many calls they are getting on this. Sure bbce has interest if price is right. With their seal of approval on this case sure value would be increased.
In 86/87 a friend and I would stop at the local Piggly Wiggly and buy these and set outside in my 78 Thunderbird and open the packs. We must of bought several cases between us, I can remember at one point having about 8-10 Jordan's. We used to take the stickers that came in the packs and wrap them around our cigarette lighters. The local store manager at one point offered to sell us what boxes he had left for under retail. Unfortunately, our cards were sold somewhere along the way (probably in the early 90's) for beer or stereo equipment.
Wow! This is awesome that we're seeing one for sale. Assuming there are 10, 20? Paying $250k for this isn't an absurd price. If I was over a waaaayyyy different financial situation, I'd be giving these guys a call tonight
I have an update regarding my acquaintance that has the fleer case. I just spoke with him this week for the first time since the inception of this thread. I had tried several times, but he is elderly and has been in the hospital for the last 2-3 months, but is home now and doing much better. I mentioned the price of 250k for the case and he was blown away. He had no idea, he is mostly "off the grid" although he does use ebay, so i think he is seriously considering selling at this point. He has the case in a bank vault, same as the day he received it. Here is the story: In 1986 he was friends with a dealer who he used to buy a lot of product with. This dealer wanted to buy cases of this new basketball product but didn't have the funds to set aside for the minimum order - i believe he said it was 5-10 cases. My friend is reluctant to buy it, but the dealer really needs this favor, so he strikes this deal: i will buy a case, but you have to give me a complete set, and another box from your cases, as well as the case. The dealer agreed, and for the grand sum of $77 the deal was consummated. To this day, my acquaintance still has the untouched case (he didn't need to touch it, he already had a set). He also still has the single box untouched as well.
Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story.
<< <i>I have an update regarding my acquaintance that has the fleer case. I just spoke with him this week for the first time since the inception of this thread. I had tried several times, but he is elderly and has been in the hospital for the last 2-3 months, but is home now and doing much better. I mentioned the price of 250k for the case and he was blown away. He had no idea, he is mostly "off the grid" although he does use ebay, so i think he is seriously considering selling at this point. He has the case in a bank vault, same as the day he received it. Here is the story: In 1986 he was friends with a dealer who he used to buy a lot of product with. This dealer wanted to buy cases of this new basketball product but didn't have the funds to set aside for the minimum order - i believe he said it was 5-10 cases. My friend is reluctant to buy it, but the dealer really needs this favor, so he strikes this deal: i will buy a case, but you have to give me a complete set, and another box from your cases, as well as the case. The dealer agreed, and for the grand sum of $77 the deal was consummated. To this day, my acquaintance still has the untouched case (he didn't need to touch it, he already had a set). He also still has the single box untouched as well.
Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story. >>
Not that I don't believe the story, but is he saying that he placed the case in the bank vault at the time of his purchase?
<< <i>I have an update regarding my acquaintance that has the fleer case. I just spoke with him this week for the first time since the inception of this thread. I had tried several times, but he is elderly and has been in the hospital for the last 2-3 months, but is home now and doing much better. I mentioned the price of 250k for the case and he was blown away. He had no idea, he is mostly "off the grid" although he does use ebay, so i think he is seriously considering selling at this point. He has the case in a bank vault, same as the day he received it. Here is the story: In 1986 he was friends with a dealer who he used to buy a lot of product with. This dealer wanted to buy cases of this new basketball product but didn't have the funds to set aside for the minimum order - i believe he said it was 5-10 cases. My friend is reluctant to buy it, but the dealer really needs this favor, so he strikes this deal: i will buy a case, but you have to give me a complete set, and another box from your cases, as well as the case. The dealer agreed, and for the grand sum of $77 the deal was consummated. To this day, my acquaintance still has the untouched case (he didn't need to touch it, he already had a set). He also still has the single box untouched as well.
Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story. >>
Not that I don't believe the story, but is he saying that he placed the case in the bank vault at the time of his purchase? >>
Agreed. placing a $77 item (ESPECIALLY something that size) in a bank vault is a bit strange
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I don't think that he meant that the case was placed in a bank vault in 1986, only that when it was, it was the same as when he purchased it. Someone that "into" cards in 1986 would not have had any room in their bank vault for junk wax, which is what this was considered, believe it or not.
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I don't know when he put it in a vault, but I am sure he didn't do it when he bought it, as like all of us, he considered it a junk wax purchase, and was probably more interested in the impending 87 topps release than 86/87 basketball.
He has said that he put it away because it was "his retirement fund". I think he is probably considering that it might be time, since he very recently had a serious illness. And I was very careful to ask about if he ever touched it, and he reiterated it is in the exact same condition and shape as the day he got it - he never touched it.
<< <i>I have an update regarding my acquaintance that has the fleer case. I just spoke with him this week for the first time since the inception of this thread. I had tried several times, but he is elderly and has been in the hospital for the last 2-3 months, but is home now and doing much better. I mentioned the price of 250k for the case and he was blown away. He had no idea, he is mostly "off the grid" although he does use ebay, so i think he is seriously considering selling at this point. He has the case in a bank vault, same as the day he received it. Here is the story: In 1986 he was friends with a dealer who he used to buy a lot of product with. This dealer wanted to buy cases of this new basketball product but didn't have the funds to set aside for the minimum order - i believe he said it was 5-10 cases. My friend is reluctant to buy it, but the dealer really needs this favor, so he strikes this deal: i will buy a case, but you have to give me a complete set, and another box from your cases, as well as the case. The dealer agreed, and for the grand sum of $77 the deal was consummated. To this day, my acquaintance still has the untouched case (he didn't need to touch it, he already had a set). He also still has the single box untouched as well.
Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story. >>
It's not possible. When a hobby heavyweight says there are zero cases left it means there are zero cases left.
<< <i>For some reason, I too, doubt this story. While he may have a case in storage, I wouldn't be surpised if it's been opened or if it is only partial. >>
My gut tells me he might have a case - but not from 86/87.
Anyone familiar with the seller? Not to make things difficult for the seller, but it really isn't at all right to call that a sealed case. It's funny how he calls it a sealed case and then shows us a bunch of pictures of it opened up. How does one define sealed? So it's not a case, it's 12 separate boxes. $25,000 a box. $750 a pack.
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<< <i>I don't know when he put it in a vault, but I am sure he didn't do it when he bought it, as like all of us, he considered it a junk wax purchase, and was probably more interested in the impending 87 topps release than 86/87 basketball.
He has said that he put it away because it was "his retirement fund". I think he is probably considering that it might be time, since he very recently had a serious illness. And I was very careful to ask about if he ever touched it, and he reiterated it is in the exact same condition and shape as the day he got it - he never touched it. >>
Hi Folks...an update on the fleer case information i posted awhile ago....
I talked to the gentleman, and he has again been in and out of the hospital many times over last few months. He has a wife that he has to get approval to sell, as she gets half of anything he does. Anyhow, he is not selling for now, even though i floated 250k pricetag in front of him. Again, i have no proof he has this case, so the naysayers can say "nay". I tend to believe him because he has been up front about several other dealings we have done, and he does have lots of stuff. He is an old-timer in his 70s i would guess.
Now.... a new wrinkle.... Today I get a call from another gentleman wanting to buy heritage. He is an old time dealer from the midwest (mid 1970s) who retired from it in the early 90s as he was fed up with the proliferation of sets, TPGs, etc. Definitely old school. For some reason during our heritage discussion he starts talking about the cards he still has after he sold off much of his dealer inventory - complete run of topps sets, 33,34,35 goudeys, t206s (but no wagner)....etc). And he mentions that he was buying collections in the early 70s before most anybody else....and people would just bring over their "junk" as they called it to his house and he'd just buy whatever they brought for $200 max. Many times people just wanted to get rid of the junk from their attics as they were going to just throw it away. All the 60s test issues and inserts were just junk back then, no one wanted it....he was just given most of it. He's not being boastful, just enjoying sharing his experiences. I'm enjoying his reliving of yesteryear and soaking it in, and he mentions that he picked up three cases of 86 fleer basketball for $100 from a local tobacco shop at the time who couldn't give the stuff away....and he claims he still has all three cases untouched.
I mentioned the price tag thrown around and he says that he has done deals with our favorite al rosen many times (unfortunately) and that al calls him every 2-3 months to get him to move on those cases.....to no avail....he is retired now and on fixed income but apparently has no immediate need for that capital.
I don't live near either of these gentlemen, so i can't confirm any of it. I have several heritage deals cooking with both of these people, so i will keep slow playing things and update you guys if and when any information is available.
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<< <i>Retired and on a fixed income, and he doesn't bat an eye when told he could get $750,000. I don't mean to be the skeptic here, but I highly doubt it. >>
+1
No way a guy who says he got fed up with the hobby doesn't sell those cases if he is living on a fixed income to boot.
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The $16K offer price was from five months ago. Further, I believe those boxes were on consignment, but someone else may be able to confirm. Regardless, prices change, and high-end unopened has been going strong. Also, you are twisting it by inverting the ratios, but that's a long math discussion.
In my experience, BBCE about the tightest margins for unopened out there.
That is an interesting story about the gentleman that claims he has 3 untouched cases of 86 fleer basketball. Like everyone else here I am more than a little bit skeptical of his claim, but hey I guess anything is possible. I know if it was me and I could turn a $100.00 investment into 750K I would do it in a heartbeat. Did you happen to ask the gentleman what other unopened he has?
the old guys with these cases just does not add up at all, especially someone who has 3? they don't even both to test the waters with one to see what might happen when people put eyes on these things?
also, i know everyone is saying these things were "junk wax" back then and that they were all over the place, but i'm going to challenge that a bit.
i remember buying my first two jordans in the summer of 1989 before the beckett hit (which was march 1990), and they cost me $30 and $45 at that time, which was kind of a lot for current cards especially basketball and especially something that didn't have a price guide. really only the upper deck griffey and the 86 canseco were pushing those kinds of numbers at that time.
the boxes weren't "cheap" at that point either, as least not comparatively to baseball as most dealers already understood that an appropriately collated box was going to yield 3+ sets. thus, you knew you had AT LEAST $100 or so in Jordans in the box, not to mention all the other rookies which were running $3-5 each at that point. i remember the boxes in summer 1989 and early 1990 running $150+ at the shows, again that was a lot more expensive than a new baseball box at $20-ish or even less.
the year these came out is the same year MJ gased 37 per game and was literally everywhere.
so there was realistically less than 3 years when these things would have been "junk", i honestly believe it was more like 2 years or less and in my small town we saw maybe a few boxes at the convenience store/gas stations, but they didn't last all that long before some of the smart dealers really understood what was in there and was potentially about to happen and started scooping them up. and that doesn't even account for the "pack searchers" who were already rampant on this stuff due to the sequencing since you could see the cards.
i really don't think the print run on these was anywhere near what some people believe it might have been, if there were a ton of them out there then basically every single one of us would have had at least one set at some point. i was an early basketball adopter and i had literally 2 sets which i sold in 1995 after i graduated college for $800 each. i knew a few dealers who had a dozen or so sets at various points in time, but these are the same guys would move like hundreds of the current year baseball sets, so even the knowledgable folks weren't exactly hoarding these things up - they were almost always too valuable to just sit on like that.
i do think there are still some cases out there in private collections, but i suspect that number is in the low dozens, not in the hundreds. there are so few people who would have sat on these at $30-50k, much less over $100k and now with offers out there of $250k. if there really were that many, we'd see a few cases leak into the market every year, and as far as i know that's not what's been happening.
Believe me, i am as skeptical as everyone else.... I have not asked for pictures yet, but i will. I did not ask about other unopened either, but i will.
Sorry for the old thread bump but this thread was one of the better reads i've seen in a while. As collector getting back into the hobby the last six months, I'm curious of any cases have been spotted or turned up since the thread ended two years ago. I'm also curious as to what smarter, experienced collectors think the value is of an 86 unopened fleer box is today? I would love to purchase one, but haven't seen one anywhere for sale and think they are probably too high now. With the price of the Jordan now, the stickers of jabbar and jordan and even the checklist, Johnny Moore, dominique, etc, My guess is 60k a box? And I've been looking for one! Curious as to what everyone has seen recently and very curious about any "case" sitings now that prices hove gone nuts on the cards!
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I am pretty sure BBCE had a box a month ago for $40K. I love how people just have tens of thousands to throw around in this hobby. Heck , I think it's a $100K box now.
Originally posted by: DM23HOF Wouldn't it be better to own and admire a nice Jordan PSA 10 (and have a ton of cash left over) than stare at a sealed cardboard box/case? Just genuinely askin'.
Two things:
Don't underestimate the gamble and thrill of opening expensive packs, some of the unopened collectors are insane.
Don't underestimate the value of the other great cards in the 86 Fleer set.
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I live in Asheville, North Carolina and I know four collectors that each own 5 boxes of Fleer Basketball from 86-90. I know one man that owns 20 complete sets he purchased from SCD Texas Sportscards for $9.00 - 12.00 per set.I know another gentleman that has 3 full cases of 87 and 5 full cases of 88.
I sold 20+complete boxes of 86-88 Fleer basketball boxes for $15.00. I also sold at least 30 cases of 1984 Topps football with blacked out marks for $20.00 per box.
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<< <i>His description is pretty forthright and he does offer a full refund if the box doesn't check out. I would imagine a payment of this amount would be held in escrow till the deal is sealed. >>
That is a fantastic description and offer. They have nothing to gain if you don't find the 3 Jordan's because now it is not a full case.
Did this listing just pop up today?
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there are zero cases left....
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Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story.
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<< <i>I have an update regarding my acquaintance that has the fleer case. I just spoke with him this week for the first time since the inception of this thread. I had tried several times, but he is elderly and has been in the hospital for the last 2-3 months, but is home now and doing much better. I mentioned the price of 250k for the case and he was blown away. He had no idea, he is mostly "off the grid" although he does use ebay, so i think he is seriously considering selling at this point. He has the case in a bank vault, same as the day he received it. Here is the story: In 1986 he was friends with a dealer who he used to buy a lot of product with. This dealer wanted to buy cases of this new basketball product but didn't have the funds to set aside for the minimum order - i believe he said it was 5-10 cases. My friend is reluctant to buy it, but the dealer really needs this favor, so he strikes this deal: i will buy a case, but you have to give me a complete set, and another box from your cases, as well as the case. The dealer agreed, and for the grand sum of $77 the deal was consummated. To this day, my acquaintance still has the untouched case (he didn't need to touch it, he already had a set). He also still has the single box untouched as well.
Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story. >>
Not that I don't believe the story, but is he saying that he placed the case in the bank vault at the time of his purchase?
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<< <i>I have an update regarding my acquaintance that has the fleer case. I just spoke with him this week for the first time since the inception of this thread. I had tried several times, but he is elderly and has been in the hospital for the last 2-3 months, but is home now and doing much better. I mentioned the price of 250k for the case and he was blown away. He had no idea, he is mostly "off the grid" although he does use ebay, so i think he is seriously considering selling at this point. He has the case in a bank vault, same as the day he received it. Here is the story: In 1986 he was friends with a dealer who he used to buy a lot of product with. This dealer wanted to buy cases of this new basketball product but didn't have the funds to set aside for the minimum order - i believe he said it was 5-10 cases. My friend is reluctant to buy it, but the dealer really needs this favor, so he strikes this deal: i will buy a case, but you have to give me a complete set, and another box from your cases, as well as the case. The dealer agreed, and for the grand sum of $77 the deal was consummated. To this day, my acquaintance still has the untouched case (he didn't need to touch it, he already had a set). He also still has the single box untouched as well.
Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story. >>
Not that I don't believe the story, but is he saying that he placed the case in the bank vault at the time of his purchase? >>
Agreed. placing a $77 item (ESPECIALLY something that size) in a bank vault is a bit strange
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He has said that he put it away because it was "his retirement fund". I think he is probably considering that it might be time, since he very recently had a serious illness. And I was very careful to ask about if he ever touched it, and he reiterated it is in the exact same condition and shape as the day he got it - he never touched it.
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<< <i>I have an update regarding my acquaintance that has the fleer case. I just spoke with him this week for the first time since the inception of this thread. I had tried several times, but he is elderly and has been in the hospital for the last 2-3 months, but is home now and doing much better. I mentioned the price of 250k for the case and he was blown away. He had no idea, he is mostly "off the grid" although he does use ebay, so i think he is seriously considering selling at this point. He has the case in a bank vault, same as the day he received it. Here is the story: In 1986 he was friends with a dealer who he used to buy a lot of product with. This dealer wanted to buy cases of this new basketball product but didn't have the funds to set aside for the minimum order - i believe he said it was 5-10 cases. My friend is reluctant to buy it, but the dealer really needs this favor, so he strikes this deal: i will buy a case, but you have to give me a complete set, and another box from your cases, as well as the case. The dealer agreed, and for the grand sum of $77 the deal was consummated. To this day, my acquaintance still has the untouched case (he didn't need to touch it, he already had a set). He also still has the single box untouched as well.
Now, I have not seen any of these in person, as i am working on a deal for a different part of his collection, but I don't have any reason or red flags to doubt his story. >>
It's not possible. When a hobby heavyweight says there are zero cases left it means there are zero cases left.
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<< <i>For some reason, I too, doubt this story. While he may have a case in storage, I wouldn't be surpised if it's been opened or if it is only partial. >>
My gut tells me he might have a case - but not from 86/87.
I sure hope I'm wrong though!
1986 Fleer Basketball case (opened)
Anyone familiar with the seller? Not to make things difficult for the seller, but it really isn't at all right to call that a sealed case. It's funny how he calls it a sealed case and then shows us a bunch of pictures of it opened up. How does one define sealed?
So it's not a case, it's 12 separate boxes. $25,000 a box. $750 a pack.
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<< <i>What's a fair price on a box of these? 10k? >>
Baseball Card Exchange is offering $12,5000.
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<< <i>I don't know when he put it in a vault, but I am sure he didn't do it when he bought it, as like all of us, he considered it a junk wax purchase, and was probably more interested in the impending 87 topps release than 86/87 basketball.
He has said that he put it away because it was "his retirement fund". I think he is probably considering that it might be time, since he very recently had a serious illness. And I was very careful to ask about if he ever touched it, and he reiterated it is in the exact same condition and shape as the day he got it - he never touched it. >>
Did anything ever come of this?
I talked to the gentleman, and he has again been in and out of the hospital many times over last few months. He has a wife that he has to get approval to sell, as she gets half of anything he does. Anyhow, he is not selling for now, even though i floated 250k pricetag in front of him. Again, i have no proof he has this case, so the naysayers can say "nay". I tend to believe him because he has been up front about several other dealings we have done, and he does have lots of stuff. He is an old-timer in his 70s i would guess.
Now.... a new wrinkle....
Today I get a call from another gentleman wanting to buy heritage. He is an old time dealer from the midwest (mid 1970s) who retired from it in the early 90s as he was fed up with the proliferation of sets, TPGs, etc. Definitely old school. For some reason during our heritage discussion he starts talking about the cards he still has after he sold off much of his dealer inventory - complete run of topps sets, 33,34,35 goudeys, t206s (but no wagner)....etc). And he mentions that he was buying collections in the early 70s before most anybody else....and people would just bring over their "junk" as they called it to his house and he'd just buy whatever they brought for $200 max. Many times people just wanted to get rid of the junk from their attics as they were going to just throw it away. All the 60s test issues and inserts were just junk back then, no one wanted it....he was just given most of it. He's not being boastful, just enjoying sharing his experiences. I'm enjoying his reliving of yesteryear and soaking it in, and he mentions that he picked up three cases of 86 fleer basketball for $100 from a local tobacco shop at the time who couldn't give the stuff away....and he claims he still has all three cases untouched.
I mentioned the price tag thrown around and he says that he has done deals with our favorite al rosen many times (unfortunately) and that al calls him every 2-3 months to get him to move on those cases.....to no avail....he is retired now and on fixed income but apparently has no immediate need for that capital.
I don't live near either of these gentlemen, so i can't confirm any of it. I have several heritage deals cooking with both of these people, so i will keep slow playing things and update you guys if and when any information is available.
I am a heritage collector, I don't even collect basketball, but I don't know how i am getting sucked into these situations, but i like it!
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<< <i>Retired and on a fixed income, and he doesn't bat an eye when told he could get $750,000. I don't mean to be the skeptic here, but I highly doubt it. >>
+1
No way a guy who says he got fed up with the hobby doesn't sell those cases if he is living on a fixed income to boot.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
In my experience, BBCE about the tightest margins for unopened out there.
also, i know everyone is saying these things were "junk wax" back then and that they were all over the place, but i'm going to challenge that a bit.
i remember buying my first two jordans in the summer of 1989 before the beckett hit (which was march 1990), and they cost me $30 and $45 at that time, which was kind of a lot for current cards especially basketball and especially something that didn't have a price guide. really only the upper deck griffey and the 86 canseco were pushing those kinds of numbers at that time.
the boxes weren't "cheap" at that point either, as least not comparatively to baseball as most dealers already understood that an appropriately collated box was going to yield 3+ sets. thus, you knew you had AT LEAST $100 or so in Jordans in the box, not to mention all the other rookies which were running $3-5 each at that point. i remember the boxes in summer 1989 and early 1990 running $150+ at the shows, again that was a lot more expensive than a new baseball box at $20-ish or even less.
the year these came out is the same year MJ gased 37 per game and was literally everywhere.
so there was realistically less than 3 years when these things would have been "junk", i honestly believe it was more like 2 years or less and in my small town we saw maybe a few boxes at the convenience store/gas stations, but they didn't last all that long before some of the smart dealers really understood what was in there and was potentially about to happen and started scooping them up. and that doesn't even account for the "pack searchers" who were already rampant on this stuff due to the sequencing since you could see the cards.
i really don't think the print run on these was anywhere near what some people believe it might have been, if there were a ton of them out there then basically every single one of us would have had at least one set at some point. i was an early basketball adopter and i had literally 2 sets which i sold in 1995 after i graduated college for $800 each. i knew a few dealers who had a dozen or so sets at various points in time, but these are the same guys would move like hundreds of the current year baseball sets, so even the knowledgable folks weren't exactly hoarding these things up - they were almost always too valuable to just sit on like that.
i do think there are still some cases out there in private collections, but i suspect that number is in the low dozens, not in the hundreds. there are so few people who would have sat on these at $30-50k, much less over $100k and now with offers out there of $250k. if there really were that many, we'd see a few cases leak into the market every year, and as far as i know that's not what's been happening.
just my 2 cents...
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Wouldn't it be better to own and admire a nice Jordan PSA 10 (and have a ton of cash left over) than stare at a sealed cardboard box/case? Just genuinely askin'.
Two things:
Don't underestimate the gamble and thrill of opening expensive packs, some of the unopened collectors are insane.
Don't underestimate the value of the other great cards in the 86 Fleer set.
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