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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Will Arian Foster ever regain anything close to fantasy dominance this season? >>



    No. There is a reason why I have Ben Tate in some of my leagues and Foster in none of them. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>Will Arian Foster ever regain anything close to fantasy dominance this season? >>



    The writing's been on the wall for some time: his YPC have dropped each of the last three seasons as his workload has been immense. It sucks for those who drafted him in the number two spot (his average draft position), but the RB position (at least the first round) has been filled with early season disappointments. While I have little doubt that there will be a breakout game here and there, it looks like the tremendous workload and the lack of preseason work has doomed his 2013 campaign.

    Ultimately I think he leaves Houston after this season and splits carries with another back, leaving Tate to take the mantle in Houston.

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Will Arian Foster ever regain anything close to fantasy dominance this season? >>



    I can only speak from the locals' perspective but we've known, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, glaring issues going into the season. The coaching staff made it perfectly clear Foster would split more touches with Tate, especially since Foster has touched the ball over 1,100 times in the past 3 years and Tate is in a contract year. Foster is due $8MM/year, which is slightly under the going rate for a franchised RB and there's no way the Texans have +/- $16MM tied up in their backfield going forward. Additionally, there have been grumblings that Foster was more focused on Hollywood-like photo shoots rather than rehabbing going into this season. Most Houstonians believe he lost the humility that everyone once admired (myself included) and he started showing flashes of the entitled attitude that made him an UDFA in the first place. Hopefully, he'll notice that fire under his rear and start playing like the Arian he once was. Since we're at week 4, missing the preseason excuse no longer applies. If you think he can turn it around, which is very possible, now could be a good time to trade him for pennies on the dollar.

    As a side note, with the exception of keeper leagues, I don't know of one Texan fan that used a high pick on Foster. Since a majority of leagues are either free or playing for peanuts, using his average draft position as a barometer is completely worthless. That's what happens when one relies on FF 'gurus' rather than thinking for yourself.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    One thing I neglected to mention was the Texans have been playing from behind, which impacts the running game.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would agree that Foster's relevance as a viable fantasy back has essentially drawn to a close. Makes you even more impressed with a back like AP who carries the load year after year.


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  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭
    <<<That's what happens when one relies on FF 'gurus' rather than thinking for yourself.>>>

    I can't believe there are guys that have made a career out of giving fantasy advice, even though they have no more inside information than you and me.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i><<<That's what happens when one relies on FF 'gurus' rather than thinking for yourself.>>>

    I can't believe there are guys that have made a career out of giving fantasy advice, even though they have no more inside information than you and me. >>



    Depending on where they work, some actually do have more information.



    << <i>As a side note, with the exception of keeper leagues, I don't know of one Texan fan that used a high pick on Foster. Since a majority of leagues are either free or playing for peanuts, using his average draft position as a barometer is completely worthless. That's what happens when one relies on FF 'gurus' rather than thinking for yourself. >>



    Average draft position and the 'gurus' have nothing to do with one another. Draft position is where fantasy football players actually, you know, DRAFT a player and is completely unrelated to the experts' picks. Most experts that I listened to all had the same thing to say about Foster - stay away. They also said that after AP, the 2-8 running backs all were essentially interchangeable and all had their faults.


  • << <i>. Most experts that I listened to all had the same thing to say about Foster - stay away. They also said that after AP, the 2-8 running backs all were essentially interchangeable and all had their faults. >>



    Don't have to be a rocket surgeon to finger that out. Every league I play in had Foster in that 2-8 group but ALL of them had him closer to the 8 hole.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


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    << <i>. Most experts that I listened to all had the same thing to say about Foster - stay away. They also said that after AP, the 2-8 running backs all were essentially interchangeable and all had their faults. >>



    Don't have to be a rocket surgeon to finger that out. Every league I play in had Foster in that 2-8 group but ALL of them had him closer to the 8 hole. >>



    It doesn't matter if he was taken 2nd or 8th as it means he was everyone's first round selection. And anyone suggesting that no texans fan used a high pick on foster? That's hilarious. If foster was sitting there at 8, 9, 10? Over the top, 20/20 hindsight and hyperbole aside everyone would jump on that pick.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i><<<That's what happens when one relies on FF 'gurus' rather than thinking for yourself.>>>

    I can't believe there are guys that have made a career out of giving fantasy advice, even though they have no more inside information than you and me. >>



    It's a fad, just like being a 'social media expert'. There's a handful that really know their stuff and everyone else simply regurgitates what others say. IMO, they shouldn't have quit their day job because accountability will eventually come back to haunt. You can actually see some examples of the heard mentality earlier in this thread and more often than not, they're wrong. Having said that, there is a market that will solely rely on aggregators due to laziness and/or ignorance of fantasy football but those are the owners you look forward to playing. Their records are usually at the bottom and constantly making excuses that typically start with "yeah but".
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    You just have to love folks who make no predictions of their own but instead look back at others and say haha you were wrong! With any prediction model there's risk. And anyone suggesting that they are 'experts' but who aren't making predictions should have those opinion taken with a big grain of salt.

  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    Hi, I am looking for some help picking my quarterback this week. I have both Romo and Vick. Even though they have both been pretty good thus far, I have picked wrong all 3 weeks. any opinions on this week and why, would be appreciated.
  • Vick will be throwing non-stop in a high scoring game. Shouldn't need to know any more than that.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    As a related side note, this is a great example of why I prefer to consolidate related posts within one thread. Rather than having to search numerous threads, you can simply click the first page and scroll through. You can decide for yourself who used thought, logic, reason, and previous experiences with a certain player(s) for evaluation versus the people that regurgitate what the so-called experts say.

    I'll gladly admit when I screw the pooch on a pick, which happens *plenty* of times. My research, my decision, and my results all fall onto me and me alone. Others will just point fingers, blame others with "Yeah but Guru X said...", and completely absolve themselves. Must be nice to never have any responsibility but who wants to live like that?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts


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    << <i>Will Arian Foster ever regain anything close to fantasy dominance this season? >>



    The writing's been on the wall for some time: his YPC have dropped each of the last three seasons as his workload has been immense. >>




    But yet before the season started, you said he was the only reliable RB other than AP:



    << <i>As far as 'consistent' RBs, there's exactly 2 out there: Peterson and Foster. Every other elite level RB is going to have some level of question or doubt. >>

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi, I am looking for some help picking my quarterback this week. I have both Romo and Vick. Even though they have both been pretty good thus far, I have picked wrong all 3 weeks. any opinions on this week and why, would be appreciated. >>



    That's like asking if you want to be punched in the face or the gut...

    Both QBs have a short shelf life, but Vick would be my option for this weekend. If I were you I would be working on some trades that would end with one better QB than both of those. Those guys won't last past Week 6.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


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    << <i>Will Arian Foster ever regain anything close to fantasy dominance this season? >>



    The writing's been on the wall for some time: his YPC have dropped each of the last three seasons as his workload has been immense. >>




    But yet before the season started, you said he was the only reliable RB other than AP:



    << <i>As far as 'consistent' RBs, there's exactly 2 out there: Peterson and Foster. Every other elite level RB is going to have some level of question or doubt. >>

    >>



    That's right. Heading into the season he and Peterson were the only ones with a proven track record of producing over a period of time. Not sure what you're digging at here but the facts remain.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Here's where he argues semantics, then creates a strawman, then spins by saying fact of the matter is/point being, and then you're left dumbfounded by the train wreck you just witnessed.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Stown I'm sorry you're unable to understand what the word consistent means, but its obvious its above your head.

  • Summary:

    You say AP and Foster are the only sure things before season.
    You ridicule others for saying "Told you so" now that Foster sucks right before you say it was obvious that Foster was going to break down and not worth a #2-8 pick.

    So glad I stopped by this place to argue sports with such weak minded peeps like yourself.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>Summary:

    You say AP and Foster are the only sure things before season.
    You ridicule others for saying "Told you so" now that Foster sucks right before you say it was obvious that Foster was going to break down and not worth a #2-8 pick.

    So glad I stopped by this place to argue sports with such weak minded peeps like yourself. >>



    I never said sure thing I said consistent history of past production. I never said he wasn't worth a top 8 pick. I picked ninth in my league this year and if he had been there I woe have taken him.

    I just wish you wouldn't hide behind an alt ID.


  • << <i>
    I just wish you wouldn't hide behind an alt ID. >>



    From what I was told through PM, I find that statement rather ironic.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Right, through a 'PM' I am sure you sent to yourself from your other, primary ID. Back to the topic at hand, fantasy football, if you dare. Otherwise, please find another forum to corrupt.


    For those suggesting that all fantasy football advice givers are worthless, I'd agree to some extent, but there are some very dilligent ones out there. I am as negative on ESPN as anyone, but their fantasy staff is top notch, and yes, they have the best tools available (from insiders to the ability to watch any and all game film there is). Berry is just over the top showman, but Christopher Harris always has good insight.

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Welcome to the CU forums, UnwoundSage. Hope you enjoy your stay here.

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As far as there being "gurus" out there sure there are plenty of guys that study every little detail like for example which guard got drunk the night before or which tackle sprained his big toe getting out of the shower and what not however they either get paid to do it or have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much free time on their hands but the fact remains the same that fantasy football is 99% luck.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>but the fact remains the same that fantasy football is 99% luck. >>



    There's definitely some luck involved but it's more of educated assumptions and avoiding glaring red flags. As I always say; if you can accurately predict the future, quit your day job and move to Vegas.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts


  • << <i> Berry is just over the top showman, but Christopher Harris always has good insight. >>



    And both of them are wrong half the time. I can do that for half the money they make.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i> Berry is just over the top showman, but Christopher Harris always has good insight. >>



    And both of them are wrong half the time. I can do that for half the money they make. >>



    Wrong half the time? How exactly did you come to this conclusion? They obviously are doing something right to make the money they do talking fantasy sports.
  • Look at Berry's Love/Hate each week after the games have been played or go back at the end of the season and look at his season Love/Hate for that season. Tristan Co$kroft is even worse. I think his uncle is an executive for ESPN.
  • Love/Hate for last week....ignore the QBs because a casual fan could have done that with the exception of Eli Manning who he loved.

    RBs....None of his "loves" for the week did anything. His only "hate", which included Demarco Murray, that didn't score a TD was James Starks who had 55 yards in first half before getting hurt.

    WRs...Only "love" that did anything was Stephen Hill. His "hates"? Josh Gordon who had 146 yards and a TD and Cecil Shorts who had 146 yards.

    TEs....Another swing and miss on the loves except for Jordan Cameron. BTW, he loved Gronk last week because he was sure he was playing.

    Even on the DST he loved the Vikings. Oops.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    I already said Berry is more showman than anything else, but taking one week is short sighted.


  • << <i>I already said Berry is more showman than anything else, but taking one week is short sighted. >>



    Feel free to look for yourself. I can only lead a horse to water.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I already said Berry is more showman than anything else, but taking one week is short sighted. >>



    Feel free to look for yourself. I can only lead a horse to water. >>



    You claimed that they had no better than a 50/50 record, so the onus is on you to back up that claim. I'm sorry you can't understand the concept of 'burden of proof'.



  • << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I already said Berry is more showman than anything else, but taking one week is short sighted. >>



    Feel free to look for yourself. I can only lead a horse to water. >>



    You claimed that they had no better than a 50/50 record, so the onus is on you to back up that claim. I'm sorry you can't understand the concept of 'burden of proof'. >>



    I'm sorry you can't understand when burden of proof is presented to you. I know someone just like you that argues just to argue and continues to argue even when proven wrong. Of course he's only 13 and knows everything.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    CJ Spiller needs to average 147.5 yards for the next 12 games to reach 2K and has 0 touchdowns
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • Ok now let's look at Mr. Berry's week 4 Love/Hate:

    QB Loves: RGIII - nothing, Terrelle Pryor - Didn't play, Tony Romo - Respectable but less FF points than Schaub who he hated
    RB Loves: Richardson - 3 yards a carry, MoJo Drew - 23 yards, D Murray - 70 yards no TD, Forte - TD saved his day, McFadden - complete garbage again
    WR Loves: actually got a few obvious ones right but misfired on Gordon and Austin (Rams)
    TE Loves - Easy choices except for Gronk who he loved again but didn't play

    QB Hates: Andrew Luck - 260 & 2 TDs and Schaub already mentioned
    RB Hates: Arian Foster - OOPS!, Le'Veon Bell - OOPS!!, Ryan Matthews 103 yards total offense
    WR Hates: Andre Johnson 110 yards, Greg Jennings 92 yards and 2 TDs, Larry Fitzgerald 6 catches and a TD
    Actually got the TEs and DSTs right except for 49ers D, not that any of them were tough to pick.

    Once again, I could have done better than that for half the money he makes.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>CJ Spiller needs to average 147.5 yards for the next 12 games to reach 2K and has 0 touchdowns >>



    If he does that, then I'LL throw up! lol
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ok now let's look at Mr. Berry's week 4 Love/Hate:

    QB Loves: RGIII - nothing, Terrelle Pryor - Didn't play, Tony Romo - Respectable but less FF points than Schaub who he hated
    RB Loves: Richardson - 3 yards a carry, MoJo Drew - 23 yards, D Murray - 70 yards no TD, Forte - TD saved his day, McFadden - complete garbage again
    WR Loves: actually got a few obvious ones right but misfired on Gordon and Austin (Rams)
    TE Loves - Easy choices except for Gronk who he loved again but didn't play

    QB Hates: Andrew Luck - 260 & 2 TDs and Schaub already mentioned
    RB Hates: Arian Foster - OOPS!, Le'Veon Bell - OOPS!!, Ryan Matthews 103 yards total offense
    WR Hates: Andre Johnson 110 yards, Greg Jennings 92 yards and 2 TDs, Larry Fitzgerald 6 catches and a TD
    Actually got the TEs and DSTs right except for 49ers D, not that any of them were tough to pick.

    Once again, I could have done better than that for half the money he makes. >>



    Looks like somebody has a hard on for Matthew Berry... lol
  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭
    <<<Will Arian Foster ever regain anything close to fantasy dominance this season?>>>

    I wouldn't call it dominance, but he's on way to at least returning fair value to those that drafted him between picks #2-#9....he's 8th right now in standard scoring leagues. Much more than can be said for some of the other 1st rd backs.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i><<<Will Arian Foster ever regain anything close to fantasy dominance this season?>>>

    I wouldn't call it dominance, but he's on way to at least returning fair value to those that drafted him between picks #2-#9....he's 8th right now in standard scoring leagues. Much more than can be said for some of the other 1st rd backs. >>



    Tell ya this much I would take Forte #2 and take a strong look at Bush rather than anyother back after AP if I could have seen the week 4 stats before the season started.

    Forte pi$$es me off because ofcourse I grabbed him with my 2nd round pick last year in my $500 draft and he svcked image

    Foster IS slowly getting back to decent production, Spiller has been probably the ( Actually 100% ) BIGGEST disapointment.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭
    Of those RBs that I had in my original Top 16, nine are still in the Top 16.

    In the order I originally had them listed... current rank on the left, PPR points on the right:
    1. Adrian Peterson, MIN (101)
    12. Doug Martin, TB (57)
    45. Ray Rice, BAL (24)
    2. Jamaal Charles, KC (96)
    7. Arian Foster, HOU (71)
    5. DeMarco Murray, DAL (81)
    18. Alfred Morris, WAS (47)
    20. Trent Richardson, CLE (43)
    6. Marshawn Lynch, SEA (75)
    19. Chris Johnson, TEN (44)
    40. Steven Jackson, ATL (25)
    27. C.J. Spiller, BUF (33)
    48. Maurice Jones-Drew, JAC (23)
    3. LeSean McCoy, PHI (92)
    4. Matt Forte, CHI (89)
    8. Reggie Bush, DET (70)
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭
    It's so great to see AP still at the top. He's a man-beast. I could only get him in one of my leagues, and that's because it was a keeper league and I had him last year. I can't remember a year where there was such a clear #1 and he was drafted #1 in every draft I attended.

    I'm also glad I was "forced" to draft Charles in five of my seven leagues. I drafted him as low as 8th in one league, and as high as 4th in another.

    Biggest shock: In my opinion it's McCoy... I honestly thought he was done. I thought he was too beat up to have any kind of decent year. Boy was I wrong (so far). Time will tell if he can hold up.

    Biggest disappointment: Besides the obvious Spiller, my close second has to be Ray Rice. The Ravens simply aren't using him properly. That and his injuries are killing him.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Frank Gore has been a pleasant surprise even in a )so far) down year for SF. Many thought he was done a couple years ago, but he's still a very productive back.


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cant believe I didnt mention Charles, he would be the better pick than Forte at #2!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Cant believe I didnt mention Charles, he would be the better pick than Forte at #2! >>



    Charles is a beast. I think his stock pre-draft was mistakenly suppressed because of the injury he had in preseason, but obviously that was a non-factor.


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Cant believe I didnt mention Charles, he would be the better pick than Forte at #2! >>



    Charles is a beast. I think his stock pre-draft was mistakenly suppressed because of the injury he had in preseason, but obviously that was a non-factor. >>



    Agreed 100%


    BTW Hi Tim image
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    CJ Spiller needs to average 154.9 yards for the next 11 games to reach 2K and finally has 1 touchdown.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts


  • << <i>CJ Spiller needs to average 154.9 yards for the next 11 games to reach 2K and finally has 1 touchdown. >>



    And this is the first week I sat him. For those that never lost faith in Spiller, you're welcome.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Don't feel too bad. It was a fluke play and accounted 82% of his rushing yards.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭
    I had to start EJ Manual as a bye week fill-in, so... yeah.
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