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A fascinating exchange on the eBay message system
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This relates to a 1909=S Lincoln in an NGC VF35 slab, that I currently have listed on eBay. In my text, I indicated that it has a shot at EF, which I do believe is the case. The exchange, through the eBay message system, follows, verbatim.
HE; Can you tell me how much the coin you have in the holder weighs? Also, why did you grade it VF-35 if you think it is EF? There is a monitary difference of about $75 in the two grades.
ME: Hi,and thanks for writing. There's no way I can weigh the coin without cracking it out of the holder, an irreversible move. If you're concerned about authenticity, NGC guarantees that. VF-35 was their grade, not mine. Take a look at the picture and see if you agree with me that it's very close to an EF. I think it's very close.
HE: No, there is no use to break out the coin. As a member of NGC, the person sending the coin to be encased grades the coin. NGC does not grade coins. Thanks any how.
ME: No idea where you got that information. NGC authenticates AND grades coins. Check their website.
HE Well, it is evident you have never sent a coin for grading. Here is the phone number of NGC located on University Parkway, Sarasota, Florida, been there many times. The number is 800-642-2646. When the menu answers, push the 0 on your phone, and when the lady answers, ask her who grades the coins. If you like, I will scan in one of my submission sheets, and you will readily see that the one submitting the coin does the grading. Only thing NGC does, they check the coin to make sure it is real, put your grade on it, then return it to you. They are not in the coin grading business, and you will be told that immediately. I already have about 10 of the Chinese ones in NGC and PCGS holders, I am very cautious now about buying. I have never found but one other person on ebay beside me, that sends the coins to NGC before selling them, in that manner there is no problem with authentisity of the coin. They will regrade the coin for about $20. All the pricing is on the submission data and forms. And I want you to please understand, I learn something new every day at almost 70 years old, if you check out what I just told you, which is the truth, or just continue in the path your going. I thought the same way you did, until I joined NGC. If you take the time to call and ask, and if your are told anything different than what I said above, please, please send me a return email and give me the name of the person that told you different. I apologise for this being such a long email, maybe it will benefit both of us. I really would love to have the coin, but would love to know if it is real or not. Thanks, (name withheld)
ME: No, they don't put your grade on the label. They have a panel of graders that determines authenticity and then, once this has been established, grades the coin. Maybe your confusion is concerining coins that are not authentic, they won't grade coins that are not authentic. Check the NGC website ngccoin dot com, and then pull down the tab that says "grading." This explains their process in great detail. Yes, I've been submitting coins to NGC and PCGS for over ten years now. Done it many times...
No response after that.
As is's often said, you can't make this stuff up.
...Tom
HE; Can you tell me how much the coin you have in the holder weighs? Also, why did you grade it VF-35 if you think it is EF? There is a monitary difference of about $75 in the two grades.
ME: Hi,and thanks for writing. There's no way I can weigh the coin without cracking it out of the holder, an irreversible move. If you're concerned about authenticity, NGC guarantees that. VF-35 was their grade, not mine. Take a look at the picture and see if you agree with me that it's very close to an EF. I think it's very close.
HE: No, there is no use to break out the coin. As a member of NGC, the person sending the coin to be encased grades the coin. NGC does not grade coins. Thanks any how.
ME: No idea where you got that information. NGC authenticates AND grades coins. Check their website.
HE Well, it is evident you have never sent a coin for grading. Here is the phone number of NGC located on University Parkway, Sarasota, Florida, been there many times. The number is 800-642-2646. When the menu answers, push the 0 on your phone, and when the lady answers, ask her who grades the coins. If you like, I will scan in one of my submission sheets, and you will readily see that the one submitting the coin does the grading. Only thing NGC does, they check the coin to make sure it is real, put your grade on it, then return it to you. They are not in the coin grading business, and you will be told that immediately. I already have about 10 of the Chinese ones in NGC and PCGS holders, I am very cautious now about buying. I have never found but one other person on ebay beside me, that sends the coins to NGC before selling them, in that manner there is no problem with authentisity of the coin. They will regrade the coin for about $20. All the pricing is on the submission data and forms. And I want you to please understand, I learn something new every day at almost 70 years old, if you check out what I just told you, which is the truth, or just continue in the path your going. I thought the same way you did, until I joined NGC. If you take the time to call and ask, and if your are told anything different than what I said above, please, please send me a return email and give me the name of the person that told you different. I apologise for this being such a long email, maybe it will benefit both of us. I really would love to have the coin, but would love to know if it is real or not. Thanks, (name withheld)
ME: No, they don't put your grade on the label. They have a panel of graders that determines authenticity and then, once this has been established, grades the coin. Maybe your confusion is concerining coins that are not authentic, they won't grade coins that are not authentic. Check the NGC website ngccoin dot com, and then pull down the tab that says "grading." This explains their process in great detail. Yes, I've been submitting coins to NGC and PCGS for over ten years now. Done it many times...
No response after that.
As is's often said, you can't make this stuff up.
...Tom
LRC Numismatics eBay listings:
http://stores.ebay.com/lrcnumismatics
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Reminds of going to see PeeWee Herman's Broadway show. I came away thinking the guy is either a lunatic or stone cold brilliant.
When did they change their policy? I wasn't aware they no longer grade coins but rather authenticate and place the grade of the submitter on the insert.
peacockcoins
The name is LEE!
I admire your patience.
The reference to the "chinese ones" is disturbing..
Thx -Ron
Latin American Collection
That is hilarious. You can't make up stuff like this.
Lance.
all i can say is "WOW" and thanks for sharing
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My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
<< <i>Well you know you cannot put anything on the internet thats not true.
well all i have to say to that
Priceless...
(i.e., the idiot, or the person too foolish to stop arguing with the idiot).
It's probably time to invoke his wisdom on this one.
But this guy takes "idiot" to a whole new level.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
You should bring him up to a coin club meeting and have him do a presentation! LOL
On second thought, the guy has the right phone number. Never mind.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Anything's possible.
peacockcoins
..Tom
LRC Numismatics eBay listings:
http://stores.ebay.com/lrcnumismatics
... anymore questions???
Erik
Have a Great Day!
Louis
<< <i>
Priceless... >>
Speechless
+1
I do believe Dimeman thinks this maybe true.
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>They are not in the coin grading business, and you will be told that immediately. >>
I do wonder, could he have gotten someone at NGC who was incredulous at his questions as we are, and as sarcastic as many of us might have been?
..Tom
LRC Numismatics eBay listings:
http://stores.ebay.com/lrcnumismatics
LRC Numismatics eBay listings:
http://stores.ebay.com/lrcnumismatics
at first i thought he was referring to minimum grade accepted but it really doesn't read that way to me
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Now I understand.......
<< <i>Only thing NGC does, they check the coin to make sure it is real, put your grade on it, then return it to you. >>
Maybe the old chap is a really good grader and they always agree with him so he thinks it's his grade.
Ya know, I really Love that show Wicked Tuna ! They find all most as big a fish as you did.
It's possible he also bought from HSN and is just getting his toes wet online, at least that is what I hope, lol.
we get idiots like that all the time calling us up. I try to be as nice until you get somebody like this, then we just hang up on em
jim
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Reminds of going to see PeeWee Herman's Broadway show. I came away thinking the guy is either a lunatic or stone cold brilliant. >>
These are not mutually exclusive.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
In fact they claim to be dealers and are not.
This is after I called and Id'ed myself as a dealer she asked what was my number was.
The stories some of the top shelf grading companies employees coud tell.
Props to the OP for responding professionally.
Dolan
<< <i>Amazing.... I really enjoy reading these stories (i.e. why coin dealers drink etc)...Some are really incredible....Cheers, RickO >>
Before I opened this thread I was confident it was a variation on "Why coin dealers drink...". As per RickO, "you can't make this stuff up"
Seems he feels he is correct and his email sounds genuine rather than trying to scam someone.
"Often in error but never in doubt"
Sad.
<< <i>Some form of dementia?
Seems he feels he is correct and his email sounds genuine rather than trying to scam someone.
"Often in error but never in doubt"
Sad. >>
I agree with that, or a prank. But the exchange of words seemed genuine, yet very confused though.