<< <i>Back to a more enjoyable subject, I don't think we'll ever see the 80's stuff come close to what we're seeing with the 70's. I don't see much investment potential there personally. I think the biggest factor driving up the 70's stuff is PSA and the rapid ascension of high graded stars from this era. And that rapid ascension has occurred because of how extremely rare they are. There are more buyers than copies that exist. The "sell" with a 1978 box is the potentil of a PSA 10 Molitor for $5-6K or an Eddie Murray, etc etc. That won't happen with, say, 1986 topps baseball. PSA 10's will always be everywhere of any of the cards worth noting. There is nothing to pull out of that box that will be worth much of anything, but that's just an opinion >>
I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless.
I noticed BBCE raised their buy prices on the website. They mention their buy prices are at the same level as their sell prices for certain items from 6-12 months ago. I guess that really is how crazy the vintage unopened market is now. I wish I got into this stuff a few years ago instead of a few months ago. Packs I was paying $12 dollars for 6 months ago are now going for almost $20. And boxes I wanted to pick up over last summer are now almost twice as much. I should have pulled the trigger long ago!
I collect vintage PSA graded SF Giants, Willie Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal and Perry. And modern players like Buster Posey, Will Clark and Barry Bonds.
I dont know about paying the same prices as they sold them for 6 months ago. They are only paying 35.00 for a 1989 Upper Deck High Series FULL Case. Thats about 1.72 a box or about .05 a pack. I think those were selling for like 3.00 a pack. Man those took a dive...
1989 Upper Deck Baseball Low Series Foil Case $1200 Low Series Foil Box $50 High Series Foil Case $800 High Series Foil Case $35
Hey guys, I apologize if this comes across as self-promotion. It is not intended to be, but this might give you a bit of insight into very recent adjustments made by BBCE - on 80s stuff
All bought and most arrived...my thoughts are to break these and work on the 80s decade when I retire - while cursing out the Tigers and looking at the 80s cards which will probably remain the last time they won a World Series - which is in about 15-20 years.
In light of recent events I also wanted to buy the cards from a trusted source/s and while the cards were too cheap for the criminal element to get involved.
That is probably their price for the hi # factory sets of 100 cards each.
I am buying and trading for RC's of Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Bob Cousy! Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>All bought and most arrived...my thoughts are to break these and work on the 80s decade when I retire - while cursing out the Tigers and looking at the 80s cards which will probably remain the last time they won a World Series - which is in about 15-20 years.
In light of recent events I also wanted to buy the cards from a trusted source/s and while the cards were too cheap for the criminal element to get involved. >>
Henry, that is a great assortment of unopened. Sounds like you will be enjoying your retirement very much.
I just had to go upstairs and make sure Steve didn't have Reed talk to my wife when I wasn't home. Thank goodness it's still there. I think I need to update these pictures though.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Henry, that is a great assortment of unopened. Sounds like you will be enjoying your retirement very much.
I just had to go upstairs and make sure Steve didn't have Reed talk to my wife when I wasn't home. Thank goodness it's still there. I think I need to update these pictures though.
Thanks guys...Mike I doubt my set up will look like that. Quite impressive indeed! My rooms will look more like the day before the movers arrive BTW I spy a Yount and Gibson rookie
<< <i>Henry, that is a great assortment of unopened. Sounds like you will be enjoying your retirement very much.
I just had to go upstairs and make sure Steve didn't have Reed talk to my wife when I wasn't home. Thank goodness it's still there. I think I need to update these pictures though.
>>
Awesome stuff Mike!! I do see some 88 Donruss hidden back in there!!
<< <i>I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless. >>
There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
<< <i>I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless. >>
There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue. >>
I agree that the 1989 UD Griffey rookie is way overpriced. I will need one for my Post-War HOF set, but I refuse to pay over $200. I will eventually get one just as I refused to pay $300 for a Henderson RC PSA 9. I ended up getting a very centered one for $267. As they saying goes, "patients is a virtue".
<< <i>There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue. >>
I don't think anyone here ever suggested that 1980s unopened would ever approach the insane selling prices of 1970s. The condition sensitivity of the 1970s certainly takes that stuff to another level. The 1980s does offer a nice best alternative to those insane prices and thus I feel there is still plenty of room for price growth on 1980s to early 1990s unopened. Bottom line is that there isn't an unlimited amount of anything out there. And chasing cards to grade is not the ONLY reason people like older unopened wax. It is just enjoyable to open and cool to display and I have offered evidence of that by pointing out how well the 1970s to early 1980s Fleer team stickers and patches wax packs sell - even though nobody is chasing PSA 10s of anything in those packs. I would also argue that there are certain 1980s and early 1990s products that were probably produced in quantities much lower than 1970s products.
<< <i>I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless. >>
There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue. >>
I agree that the 1989 UD Griffey rookie is way overpriced. I will need one for my Post-War HOF set, but I refuse to pay over $200. I will eventually get one just as I refused to pay $300 for a Henderson RC PSA 9. I ended up getting a very centered one for $267. As they saying goes, "patients is a virtue". >>
EVeryone keeps saying the Griffey is over priced, yet it keeps going up!
I think it's one of those must haves for every collector. It's iconic in a way even if it's not rare. The fact that it's #1, the first card Upper Deck ever made and a transition card into a time in the hobby that wasn't so good
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<< <i>I don't think anyone here ever suggested that 1980s unopened would ever approach the insane selling prices of 1970s. The condition sensitivity of the 1970s certainly takes that stuff to another level. The 1980s does offer a nice best alternative to those insane prices and thus I feel there is still plenty of room for price growth on 1980s to early 1990s unopened. Bottom line is that there isn't an unlimited amount of anything out there. And chasing cards to grade is not the ONLY reason people like older unopened wax. It is just enjoyable to open and I have offered evidence of that by pointing out how well the 1970s to early 1980s Fleer team stickers and patches wax packs sell - even though nobody is chasing PSA 10s of anything in those packs. I would also argue that there are certain 1980s and early 1990s products that were probably produced in quantities much lower than 1970s products. >>
Agree with every single point here. I'm one of those guys you're talking about that just likes to bust 1980s wax for the fun of it, and sometimes pick up a nice PSA 10 along the way to defray the cost. That being said, I still don't understand the demand and prices for some late 80s rookie cards considering that there were five major companies producing sets and five of almost every rookie.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
<< <i>Awesome stuff Mike!! I do see some 88 Donruss hidden back in there!! >>
Thanks. I tried to hide those back there. I can guarantee they are legit though as I bought them in 1988. What you can't see are the 3 1991 Fleer rack boxes I have.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Holy Cow! Let me ask you - Why doubles of some of the boxes? Is it for investment or did you really just like 1981 Topps? lol >>
Actually, I started out getting two of every type of baseball box I collected as a kid from the late 70's and early to mid 80's. Along the way, I see a box for less than I paid for my other boxes so I'd buy it. After awhile, you see the results. 1981 wax boxes were relatively cheap for awhile so I just kept buying them. It also helps that I don't rip stuff open. It does accumulate over time. I definitely didn't buy the unopened for investment purposes, but thought the idea of keeping some of this stuff unopened was really cool to look at. I especially like the look of the rack packs. I already have all the sets raw if I want to enjoy looking at the actual cards.
BTW Henry, I can come over to help to decorate if you'd like.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
BTW Henry, I can come over to help to decorate if you'd like. >>
Anytime Mike! But what I REALLY need help with is organizing...I'm paying my cousin 10.00 an hour just to enter certs from my 70s and figure out what the heck I have bought over the years...Honestly, I have stacks of PSA cards that are all jumbled. The last thing I am considering is "plating" the collection as exquisitely as you have .
BTW Henry, I can come over to help to decorate if you'd like. >>
Anytime Mike! But what I REALLY need help with is organizing...I'm paying my cousin 10.00 an hour just to enter certs from my 70s and figure out what the heck I have bought over the years...Honestly, I have stacks of PSA cards that are all jumbled. The last thing I am considering is "plating" the collection as exquisitely as you have . >>
I hear you Henry. I had my computer crash about 5 years ago and haven't had the stomach to recreate my old files yet. Of course, I now back up my computer with another hard drive so all my more recent purchases are covered. I've got spreadsheets that even make my head spin.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Apparently Steve and Reed follow these post pretty good. This morning BBCE has updated buy list prices that will blow your socks off. Enjoy the ride if you have any of this stuff. If these prices dont bring out the wax sellers, then there isnt a ton of stuff out there besides a few collections. I think the perfect time now is to trade some of the wax for Vintage psa graded cards.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I am actually drooling over that 80's collection Mike!
What are those Green boxes on the bottom of the second pic? To the right of the 86 boxes. Are those Fleer Star Stickers? Or something from the 70's?
Very nice collection!! >>
Thanks. The green boxes are 70's cello boxes. There is one 1975, one 1976, two 1977, one partial 1977, and one that has some of my extra 1975 and 1976 cellos in it.
Sorry for the false alarm Tony, but Tim actually should have known better.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Whenever I inquire with Steve about such and such a product, he seems to continue stating things are getting harder and harder to get.
There is probably a 2-fold reason for his answer: 1) Things are getting harder and harder to get as they dry up; 2) Unopened material has become higher in demand and thus selling to more venues outside of his awareness and/or sellers who pay more.
Seemingly common items are taking longer breaks on his site, like 1986 Topps has not been there for a few months now. Last going price was at $16. He sold out of 1986 Donruss, last price at $24 (I think). 1981 Topps is gone, as well as Donruss. Still seems plenty of 82 and 83 to move around. 1985 Fleer is gone and have not seen that in a while (I grabbed the last box of 85 Cello just last week). 87 Fleer Rack boxes are gone. I wish I grabbed a few more at $55. They are near $100 on eBay. And 86 Fleer jumped up $6 to $36 since his last box.
'80 Topps continues to amaze me. Last summer/fall, boxes could be picked off in the neighborhood of $300 on eBay. Fast forward to today and the bar now resides in this general vicinity:
If that doesn't do it for you, go take a gander at Steve's buying prices. '79 is on the verge of reading the bottom of '80's shoes. In fact, it already is when it comes to wax cases ($8k vs $7k).
A lot of collectors have finally realized that many quality graded cards aren't uncommon even in higher end condition, but the unopened will be gone a lot sooner than expected. And doesn't come back either.
So the sense of scarcity and supply/demand imbalance, real or imagined, is really kicking in now. I think you're going to see prices rising the rest of the year for all baseball unopened through 1986 at least.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
Just a heads up everyone. Steve just got in a case of 1982 Topps on Wednesday May 1st (Yesterday) . Case holds 20 wax boxes. He told me he has about 5 left now!! He also said that the beat up picture on the site is a stock photo. These new ones have no x's and are in prestine condition. Had to order one myself. Last time he had these boxes were late last year and they were at $130 I believe. Hes been sold out for a while. Just got these in and are selling fast at $190.00
Thanks for the heads up Marc. Just picked one up myself although I already have 2 in my collection. I told myself that since it was from a sealed case, it was o.k. to buy a third.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Mygotta, thanks fpr the heads up on the 1984 Topps but I picked mine up last year from BBCE when they were $45. Last time I saw them was for $60 so we'll see what they price them at next time they come around. I did noticed that 1982 Fleer jumped up from $80 to $85.
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<< <i>Back to a more enjoyable subject, I don't think we'll ever see the 80's stuff come close to what we're seeing with the 70's. I don't see much investment potential there personally. I think the biggest factor driving up the 70's stuff is PSA and the rapid ascension of high graded stars from this era. And that rapid ascension has occurred because of how extremely rare they are. There are more buyers than copies that exist. The "sell" with a 1978 box is the potentil of a PSA 10 Molitor for $5-6K or an Eddie Murray, etc etc. That won't happen with, say, 1986 topps baseball. PSA 10's will always be everywhere of any of the cards worth noting. There is nothing to pull out of that box that will be worth much of anything, but that's just an opinion >>
I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless.
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They are only paying 35.00 for a 1989 Upper Deck High Series FULL Case. Thats about 1.72 a box or about .05 a pack. I think those were selling for like 3.00 a pack. Man those took a dive...
1989 Upper Deck Baseball
Low Series Foil Case $1200
Low Series Foil Box $50
High Series Foil Case $800
High Series Foil Case $35
BTW Im joking. It's a small typo
Hey guys, I apologize if this comes across as self-promotion. It is not intended to be, but this might give you a bit of insight into very recent adjustments made by BBCE - on 80s stuff
Did you actually buy all that? You bought this to hold right?
In light of recent events I also wanted to buy the cards from a trusted source/s and while the cards were too cheap for the criminal element to get involved.
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>All bought and most arrived...my thoughts are to break these and work on the 80s decade when I retire - while cursing out the Tigers and looking at the 80s cards which will probably remain the last time they won a World Series - which is in about 15-20 years.
In light of recent events I also wanted to buy the cards from a trusted source/s and while the cards were too cheap for the criminal element to get involved. >>
Great pickup MMD!
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Great choices!!! Congrats!
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
I just had to go upstairs and make sure Steve didn't have Reed talk to my wife when I wasn't home. Thank goodness it's still there. I think I need to update these pictures though.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Henry, that is a great assortment of unopened. Sounds like you will be enjoying your retirement very much.
I just had to go upstairs and make sure Steve didn't have Reed talk to my wife when I wasn't home. Thank goodness it's still there. I think I need to update these pictures though.
I hate you......
T206 Set - 300/524
BTW I spy a Yount and Gibson rookie
<< <i>Henry, that is a great assortment of unopened. Sounds like you will be enjoying your retirement very much.
I just had to go upstairs and make sure Steve didn't have Reed talk to my wife when I wasn't home. Thank goodness it's still there. I think I need to update these pictures though.
Awesome stuff Mike!!
I do see some 88 Donruss hidden back in there!!
<< <i>I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless. >>
There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually
be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey
rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known
production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The
set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue.
DaveB in St.Louis
always reminds me never to post pics. of my extremely small stash
<< <i>
<< <i>I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless. >>
There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually
be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey
rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known
production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The
set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue. >>
I agree that the 1989 UD Griffey rookie is way overpriced. I will need one for my Post-War HOF set, but I refuse to pay over $200. I will eventually get one just as I refused to pay $300 for a Henderson RC PSA 9. I ended up getting a very centered one for $267. As they saying goes, "patients is a virtue".
<< <i>There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually
be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey
rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known
production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The
set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue. >>
I don't think anyone here ever suggested that 1980s unopened would ever approach the insane selling prices of 1970s. The condition sensitivity of the 1970s certainly takes that stuff to another level. The 1980s does offer a nice best alternative to those insane prices and thus I feel there is still plenty of room for price growth on 1980s to early 1990s unopened. Bottom line is that there isn't an unlimited amount of anything out there. And chasing cards to grade is not the ONLY reason people like older unopened wax. It is just enjoyable to open and cool to display and I have offered evidence of that by pointing out how well the 1970s to early 1980s Fleer team stickers and patches wax packs sell - even though nobody is chasing PSA 10s of anything in those packs. I would also argue that there are certain 1980s and early 1990s products that were probably produced in quantities much lower than 1970s products.
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<< <i>I think your point about PSA 10's being everywhere is something to seriously consider. I had made a list in another thread about the card with the most PSA 10's and from what I found it was a 1989 Topps Traded Ken Griffey Jr with some 8500 PSA 10's floating around. An eBay search will show these are selling around $15 a card. And certainly there are more people submitting them with tons more still sealed in cases. So I think in that period mentioned, as long as there are lots of 10's, getting a super premium obviously will not happen. It may spell more doom in the future as people cannot get a good return on their investment, even in a PSA 10 rendering them, once again, worthless. >>
There is only one Molitor rookie,but how many different Griffey "rookie" cards? Surely this must eventually
be a factor in pricing for 1980s junk wax issues. If you add them all up there are enough PSA 10 Griffey
rookie cards out there to lower the price even more. The 1989 UD rookie is so overpriced, given the known
production numbers, it's ridiculous. And it's not the only rookie or even the best-looking Griffey rookie. The
set is considered iconic by some, but not me. And all the late 80s rookies have the same issue. >>
I agree that the 1989 UD Griffey rookie is way overpriced. I will need one for my Post-War HOF set, but I refuse to pay over $200. I will eventually get one just as I refused to pay $300 for a Henderson RC PSA 9. I ended up getting a very centered one for $267. As they saying goes, "patients is a virtue". >>
EVeryone keeps saying the Griffey is over priced, yet it keeps going up!
I think it's one of those must haves for every collector. It's iconic in a way even if it's not rare. The fact that it's #1, the first card Upper Deck ever made and a transition card into a time in the hobby that wasn't so good
TheClockworkAngelCollection
<< <i>EVeryone keeps saying the Griffey is over priced, yet it keeps going up! >>
1989 UD Griffey PSA 10's were 3k. Hardly going up.
<< <i>I don't think anyone here ever suggested that 1980s unopened would ever approach the insane selling prices of 1970s. The condition sensitivity of the 1970s certainly takes that stuff to another level. The 1980s does offer a nice best alternative to those insane prices and thus I feel there is still plenty of room for price growth on 1980s to early 1990s unopened. Bottom line is that there isn't an unlimited amount of anything out there. And chasing cards to grade is not the ONLY reason people like older unopened wax. It is just enjoyable to open and I have offered evidence of that by pointing out how well the 1970s to early 1980s Fleer team stickers and patches wax packs sell - even though nobody is chasing PSA 10s of anything in those packs. I would also argue that there are certain 1980s and early 1990s products that were probably produced in quantities much lower than 1970s products. >>
Agree with every single point here. I'm one of those guys you're talking about that just likes to bust 1980s wax for the fun of it, and sometimes
pick up a nice PSA 10 along the way to defray the cost. That being said, I still don't understand the demand and prices for some late 80s
rookie cards considering that there were five major companies producing sets and five of almost every rookie.
DaveB in St.Louis
<< <i>I hate you......
I know.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Awesome stuff Mike!!
I do see some 88 Donruss hidden back in there!! >>
Thanks. I tried to hide those back there. I can guarantee they are legit though as I bought them in 1988. What you can't see are the 3 1991 Fleer rack boxes I have.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Holy Cow! Let me ask you - Why doubles of some of the boxes? Is it for investment or did you really just like 1981 Topps? lol >>
Actually, I started out getting two of every type of baseball box I collected as a kid from the late 70's and early to mid 80's. Along the way, I see a box for less than I paid for my other boxes so I'd buy it. After awhile, you see the results. 1981 wax boxes were relatively cheap for awhile so I just kept buying them. It also helps that I don't rip stuff open. It does accumulate over time. I definitely didn't buy the unopened for investment purposes, but thought the idea of keeping some of this stuff unopened was really cool to look at. I especially like the look of the rack packs. I already have all the sets raw if I want to enjoy looking at the actual cards.
BTW Henry, I can come over to help to decorate if you'd like.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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BTW Henry, I can come over to help to decorate if you'd like.
Anytime Mike! But what I REALLY need help with is organizing...I'm paying my cousin 10.00 an hour just to enter certs from my 70s and figure out what the heck I have bought over the years...Honestly, I have stacks of PSA cards that are all jumbled. The last thing I am considering is "plating" the collection as exquisitely as you have .
DaveB in St.Louis
<< <i>Mike, this would be me if you left me alone in that room for an hour...
I think you would have a lot of company.
Edited to add: See Dave is already there with you.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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<< <i>
BTW Henry, I can come over to help to decorate if you'd like.
Anytime Mike! But what I REALLY need help with is organizing...I'm paying my cousin 10.00 an hour just to enter certs from my 70s and figure out what the heck I have bought over the years...Honestly, I have stacks of PSA cards that are all jumbled. The last thing I am considering is "plating" the collection as exquisitely as you have .
I hear you Henry. I had my computer crash about 5 years ago and haven't had the stomach to recreate my old files yet. Of course, I now back up my computer with another hard drive so all my more recent purchases are covered. I've got spreadsheets that even make my head spin.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Only a week's worth of ripping Chris. Boy, you are good although Jeff would give you a run for your money.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
<< <i>No worries Mike. i'll be over Sunday afternoon for a rip-a-thon!
I knew you would.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
What are those Green boxes on the bottom of the second pic? To the right of the 86 boxes. Are those Fleer Star Stickers? Or something from the 70's?
Very nice collection!!
<< <i>'75 mini cellos? >>
Did someone say 75 mini cellos?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
WHERE!!!
aconte
<< <i>I am actually drooling over that 80's collection Mike!
What are those Green boxes on the bottom of the second pic? To the right of the 86 boxes. Are those Fleer Star Stickers? Or something from the 70's?
Very nice collection!! >>
Thanks. The green boxes are 70's cello boxes. There is one 1975, one 1976, two 1977, one partial 1977, and one that has some of my extra 1975 and 1976 cellos in it.
Sorry for the false alarm Tony, but Tim actually should have known better.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
There is probably a 2-fold reason for his answer: 1) Things are getting harder and harder to get as they dry up; 2) Unopened material has become higher in demand and thus selling to more venues outside of his awareness and/or sellers who pay more.
Seemingly common items are taking longer breaks on his site, like 1986 Topps has not been there for a few months now. Last going price was at $16. He sold out of 1986 Donruss, last price at $24 (I think). 1981 Topps is gone, as well as Donruss. Still seems plenty of 82 and 83 to move around. 1985 Fleer is gone and have not seen that in a while (I grabbed the last box of 85 Cello just last week). 87 Fleer Rack boxes are gone. I wish I grabbed a few more at $55. They are near $100 on eBay. And 86 Fleer jumped up $6 to $36 since his last box.
Last week
If that doesn't do it for you, go take a gander at Steve's buying prices. '79 is on the verge of reading the bottom of '80's shoes. In fact, it already is when it comes to wax cases ($8k vs $7k).
Talk about throwing it into another gear...
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
higher end condition, but the unopened will be gone a lot sooner than expected. And doesn't
come back either.
So the sense of scarcity and supply/demand imbalance, real or imagined, is really kicking in now.
I think you're going to see prices rising the rest of the year for all baseball unopened through
1986 at least.
DaveB in St.Louis
1984 Topps Wax Box
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Mygotta, thanks fpr the heads up on the 1984 Topps but I picked mine up last year from BBCE when they were $45. Last time I saw them was for $60 so we'll see what they price them at next time they come around. I did noticed that 1982 Fleer jumped up from $80 to $85.