I think a red and white maple leaf flag as a background would have been nice instead of the union jack, imo. I have no idea what that heraldic(?) shield represents.
<< <i>How did they come up with that label? Did it originally have like 8 colors until someone up the food chain chirped , " It needs more cowbell!!!!".
Wow , that is busy
MJ >>
That is the Canadian flag in use at the time that the coins were struck, red with the Union Jack in the upper left corner and the coat of arms in the right field. Since the coat of arms also appears on the coins, it is an excellent choice for the label!
TD
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Seconded......my '13 $5 is going into a TPG slab, but I just can't wrap my mind around it being in this slab.....too busy, as MJ said......focal point is not the coin, IMO.
I happen to think the label is very appropriate. It was designed by a Canadian and reflects the period during which the coins were struck. The shield is the same shield that is on the coin. The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins agrees wholeheartedly.
Of course if you don't like the label you can have it holdered with a standard blue label.
The first shipments will arrive at PCGS next week.
<< <i>How did they come up with that label? Did it originally have like 8 colors until someone up the food chain chirped , " It needs more cowbell!!!!".
Wow , that is busy
MJ >>
That is the Canadian flag in use at the time that the coins were struck, red with the Union Jack in the upper left corner and the coat of arms in the right field. Since the coat of arms also appears on the coins, it is an excellent choice for the label!
TD >>
I guess if you aren't Canadian then you just don't appreciate it..........but then it is a Canadian coin and they are celebrating their origins, right! >>
I was born in Detroit and recognized the old flag immediately. They were still using it across the river well into the 60's.
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I like the design of the label and think the gold coins will look great with it. It is very distinctive. I would probably prefer wording such as "Bank of Canada Hoard" as opposed to "Canadian Gold Reserve," but it works for me. I'll be using these labels.
<< <i>The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins... >>
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
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<< <i>I happen to think the label is very appropriate >>
Well - Don - maybe you think so, but as a collector - there is absolutely no mention of the "hoard" on the label which IMO is the biggest drawback.
All other haords or "treasure ship" coins are so designated, this label makes no mention of the "Bank of Canada" hoard or any other.....
Even GSA coins are designated as such on PCGS labels
SWINGGGGG AND A MISS.............
Maybe next time poll the online forum for ideas......it may be a winner >>
Frankly, as a collector, the term "hoard" sounds less attractive to me than "Gold Reserve", but that is splitting hairs. Everyone will know what it is, where it was from, and what it means. If you have a criticism or suggestion, rather than calling out Don on the forum, why not consider a respectful Private Message? I have found him to be very receptive in the past.
<< <i>How did they come up with that label? Did it originally have like 8 colors until someone up the food chain chirped , " It needs more cowbell!!!!".
Wow , that is busy
MJ >>
That is the Canadian flag in use at the time that the coins were struck, red with the Union Jack in the upper left corner and the coat of arms in the right field. Since the coat of arms also appears on the coins, it is an excellent choice for the label!
TD >>
I guess if you aren't Canadian then you just don't appreciate it..........but then it is a Canadian coin and they are celebrating their origins, right! >>
I was born in Detroit and recognized the old flag immediately. They were still using it across the river well into the 60's. >>
I was also born in Detroit and lived downtown across the river from Canada. From age 7 to age 18 I literally spent six months of the year traveling throughout Canada. I love Canada. I still do some banking in Canada. I understand each bit of significance on the label. However, aesthetically I find it busy and distracting. They literally threw the Canadian kitchen sink on it. Just because the label designed by a Canadian doesn't make it good or give it more street cred.
Anyways, as Don said one can opt out of that label which is a good thing.
MJ
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<< <i>If you have a criticism or suggestion, rather than calling out Don on the forum, why not consider a respectful Private Message? I have found him to be very receptive in the past >>
I didnt call out anyone - why would you make such an inference RYK?
I merely stated my opinion on a label, and on the notation.
A hoard is a hoard. Collectors have been calling these large groups of coins hoards for years.
Redfield Hoard. GSA Hoard. Bank of Canada Hoard.
Not Redfield Reserve. Not US Silver Stockpile or GSA Reserve. Not Candian Gold Reserve.
You are thinking much too hard. No need to split hairs. Just call it what it is.
<< <i>If you have a criticism or suggestion, rather than calling out Don on the forum, why not consider a respectful Private Message? I have found him to be very receptive in the past >>
I didnt call out anyone - why would you make such an inference RYK? >>
"Well - Don - maybe you think so, but as a collector - there is absolutely no mention of the "hoard" on the label which IMO is the biggest drawback."
It would be good if PCGS would have some forum discussion or selection process on the forum for ideas for these "special" labels. After all, what a group of collectors thinks is nice and worthy of purchasing can be entirely different in the eyes of a dealer/seller of services.
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins...
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
Hey Canadian Mint - you just lost any future business from me. Thanks alot. I thought I was ordering from the Canadian Mint. My bad. >>
I thought I was the only one wondering/thinking this!! Looks like a bunch of culls or MS60-MS62 coins are heading to America. Guess we have sucker written all over our foreheads!
<< <i>It would be good if PCGS would have some forum discussion or selection process on the forum for ideas for these "special" labels. After all, what a group of collectors thinks is nice and worthy of purchasing can be entirely different in the eyes of a dealer/seller of services. >>
While I enjoy this forum a lot, this place can be a zoo. I'd rather have Don and team making business decisions than asking the forum and getting 50 different answers to one question.
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins...
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
Hey Canadian Mint - you just lost any future business from me. Thanks alot. I thought I was ordering from the Canadian Mint. My bad. >>
Guess we have hosers written all over our foreheads! >>
Here, fixed it for you. MJ
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Nothing beats having hundreds of examples of the same coin and "handpicking" some for yourself.
We all could be graders in that situation. Show me an unc Saint and I couldn't say MS62 or MS63, but show me 3 and I can probably pick the best one. Now, let me cherry pick from 100.
...one for me, three for my friends x, y, and z...ok, send that one to the States. Oops, I dropped one...
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins...
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
Hey Canadian Mint - you just lost any future business from me. Thanks alot. I thought I was ordering from the Canadian Mint. My bad. >>
I thought I was the only one wondering/thinking this!! Looks like a bunch of culls or MS60-MS62 coins are heading to America. Guess we have sucker written all over our foreheads! >>
Any guesses as to who the Canadian dealer might be?
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Isn't there a grace period where we can return these if not happy? Shipping costs for return, yeah, but being able to return them is somewhat comforting.
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<< <i>Isn't there a grace period where we can return these if not happy? Shipping costs for return, yeah, but being able to return them is somewhat comforting. >>
I dont think so... could be wrong though
Also I love fine print.
Hand-selected by Mint staff for a high quality appearance, with minimal evidence of wear caused by handling, storage, or environmental conditions, these Hand-Selected coins are wonderful examples of Canadian numismatic history. They offer the best combination of quality and affordability which gives a wide range of customers the chance to buy a special coin not seen on the market for nearly 100 years.
*Disclaimer As the Royal Canadian Mint does not grade any of its products, the use of the expression "Hand-Selected" and/or "Premium Hand-Selected" as used herein does not imply any form of coin grade, or suggestion thereof, derived from current numismatic grading standards, or other form of grading systems.
I didnt take that as they would send to a dealer lol
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Odd, the story says 300,000 pieces. The RCM's press release said approx. 245,000 coins. Shall we assume that the RCM is correct?
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<< <i>No returns, but you can cancel the order before you receive them ...
What does it mean that a dealer is handling the distribution? Is that better or worse than the mint? >>
Who knows? If it is true that a dealer is handling the distribution, and that may or may not be the case, does that dealer have an opportunity to examine the coins and hypothetically divert superior specimens to himself or his friends, or is he just putting mailing labels on sealed boxes previously sorted by the RCM? I don't know.
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<< <i>No returns, but you can cancel the order before you receive them ...
What does it mean that a dealer is handling the distribution? Is that better or worse than the mint? >>
Not sure how it could be better.....I, too, worry it could be like the 5oz ATB debacle. Any, and all, government agencies should do things in a way so as to avoid any such appearance of favoritism and/or conflict of interest. By letting a dealer control it all, unless that same dealer is bound by certain rules and actions, and those are public information, there is an automatic appearance of conflict of interest, imho.
The $10 gold coins for $1000 are worth a shot, in the same vein as the 1/2 ounce President's wives coins for about the same price. Strong bullion safety net.
The $12,000 for 2.2 ounces of gold is risky. No safety net. You could buy some interesting gold coins for that, like two XF45 type 1 plus three AU55 type 2 Double Eagles.
You would have 5 interesting coins and $8000 worth of gold.
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RCM is up to something. My order that has been in process since 12/03 still says in process on the main tracking page but when I open up my order the order is listed twice (although the total is for one coin) and says New order. I don't have a clue what that means except there is activity.
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I hope when you guys finally receive these you use Le Service Rapide grading option as the suspense is killing us. Also, if PCGC offers it get the Celine Dion autograph added on. It's the only thing Canadian missing on that label.................MJ
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still sucks - a terrible label design
<< <i>How did they come up with that label? Did it originally have like 8 colors until someone up the food chain chirped , " It needs more cowbell!!!!".
Wow , that is busy
MJ >>
That is the Canadian flag in use at the time that the coins were struck, red with the Union Jack in the upper left corner and the coat of arms in the right field. Since the coat of arms also appears on the coins, it is an excellent choice for the label!
TD
<< <i>Yes - ill say it - the label sucks. >>
Seconded......my '13 $5 is going into a TPG slab, but I just can't wrap my mind around it being in this slab.....too busy, as MJ said......focal point is not the coin, IMO.
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<< <i>What is the total estimated cost on the $1000 $10 gold coins? >>
No tax on the order for USA buyers, no shipping for $1000 purchase, currency exchange and cc fee apply - but all in on the $1000 purchase?
$1,008.11 (as it briefly showed up as an authorization on an order placed day 1) >>
While most credit cards charge a 2-3% fee on a foreign currency transaction, some banks such as Capital One do not charge this fee.
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Of course if you don't like the label you can have it holdered with a standard blue label.
The first shipments will arrive at PCGS next week.
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<< <i>How did they come up with that label? Did it originally have like 8 colors until someone up the food chain chirped , " It needs more cowbell!!!!".
Wow , that is busy
MJ >>
That is the Canadian flag in use at the time that the coins were struck, red with the Union Jack in the upper left corner and the coat of arms in the right field. Since the coat of arms also appears on the coins, it is an excellent choice for the label!
TD >>
I guess if you aren't Canadian then you just don't appreciate it..........but then it is a Canadian coin and they are celebrating their origins, right! >>
I was born in Detroit and recognized the old flag immediately. They were still using it across the river well into the 60's.
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<< <i>I happen to think the label is very appropriate >>
Well - Don - maybe you think so, but as a collector - there is absolutely no mention of the "hoard" on the label which IMO is the biggest drawback.
All other haords or "treasure ship" coins are so designated, this label makes no mention of the "Bank of Canada" hoard or any other.....
Even GSA coins are designated as such on PCGS labels
SWINGGGGG AND A MISS.............
Maybe next time poll the online forum for ideas......it may be a winner
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>It says "Canadian Gold Reserve", which to me is mentioning the hoard. >>
So, I guess the GSA Hoard should say "US Silver Stockpile" on the label as well?
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<< <i>The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins... >>
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me...
He who knows he has enough is rich.
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<< <i>The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins... >>
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins... >> >>
Hmmm. We as purchasers are not aware of this. Is there some information we do not have from the RCM?
You bet the phones will be ringing tomorow.
<< <i>The first shipments will arrive at PCGS next week. >>
Holders or coins? I hope holders - because we have not been told when shipments of coins would begin as of yet.
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<< <i>What is the total estimated cost on the $1000 $10 gold coins? >>
No tax on the order for USA buyers, no shipping for $1000 purchase, currency exchange and cc fee apply - but all in on the $1000 purchase?
$1,008.11 (as it briefly showed up as an authorization on an order placed day 1) >>
While most credit cards charge a 2-3% fee on a foreign currency transaction, some banks such as Capital One do not charge this fee. >>
Thanks for the information.
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
From the ATB distribution handbook.
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins... >>
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
From the ATB distribution handbook. >>
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<< <i>I happen to think the label is very appropriate >>
Well - Don - maybe you think so, but as a collector - there is absolutely no mention of the "hoard" on the label which IMO is the biggest drawback.
All other haords or "treasure ship" coins are so designated, this label makes no mention of the "Bank of Canada" hoard or any other.....
Even GSA coins are designated as such on PCGS labels
SWINGGGGG AND A MISS.............
Maybe next time poll the online forum for ideas......it may be a winner >>
Frankly, as a collector, the term "hoard" sounds less attractive to me than "Gold Reserve", but that is splitting hairs. Everyone will know what it is, where it was from, and what it means. If you have a criticism or suggestion, rather than calling out Don on the forum, why not consider a respectful Private Message? I have found him to be very receptive in the past.
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<< <i>
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<< <i>How did they come up with that label? Did it originally have like 8 colors until someone up the food chain chirped , " It needs more cowbell!!!!".
Wow , that is busy
MJ >>
That is the Canadian flag in use at the time that the coins were struck, red with the Union Jack in the upper left corner and the coat of arms in the right field. Since the coat of arms also appears on the coins, it is an excellent choice for the label!
TD >>
I guess if you aren't Canadian then you just don't appreciate it..........but then it is a Canadian coin and they are celebrating their origins, right! >>
I was born in Detroit and recognized the old flag immediately. They were still using it across the river well into the 60's. >>
I was also born in Detroit and lived downtown across the river from Canada. From age 7 to age 18 I literally spent six months of the year traveling throughout Canada. I love Canada. I still do some banking in Canada. I understand each bit of significance on the label. However, aesthetically I find it busy and distracting. They literally threw the Canadian kitchen sink on it. Just because the label designed by a Canadian doesn't make it good or give it more street cred.
Anyways, as Don said one can opt out of that label which is a good thing.
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>If you have a criticism or suggestion, rather than calling out Don on the forum, why not consider a respectful Private Message? I have found him to be very receptive in the past >>
I didnt call out anyone - why would you make such an inference RYK?
I merely stated my opinion on a label, and on the notation.
A hoard is a hoard. Collectors have been calling these large groups of coins hoards for years.
Redfield Hoard. GSA Hoard. Bank of Canada Hoard.
Not Redfield Reserve. Not US Silver Stockpile or GSA Reserve. Not Candian Gold Reserve.
You are thinking much too hard. No need to split hairs. Just call it what it is.
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<< <i>If you have a criticism or suggestion, rather than calling out Don on the forum, why not consider a respectful Private Message? I have found him to be very receptive in the past >>
I didnt call out anyone - why would you make such an inference RYK? >>
"Well - Don - maybe you think so, but as a collector - there is absolutely no mention of the "hoard" on the label which IMO is the biggest drawback."
<< <i>He posted his comment, I responded with my opinion. >>
What you wrote was fine and I am sure Don can speak for himself, he doesn't need RYK doing it for him.
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It would be good if PCGS would have some forum discussion or selection process on the forum for ideas for these "special" labels. After all, what a group of collectors thinks is nice and worthy of purchasing can be entirely different in the eyes of a dealer/seller of services.
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
Hey Canadian Mint - you just lost any future business from me. Thanks alot. I thought I was ordering from the Canadian Mint. My bad.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins...
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
Hey Canadian Mint - you just lost any future business from me. Thanks alot. I thought I was ordering from the Canadian Mint. My bad. >>
I thought I was the only one wondering/thinking this!! Looks like a bunch of culls or MS60-MS62 coins are heading to America. Guess we have sucker written all over our foreheads!
<< <i>It would be good if PCGS would have some forum discussion or selection process on the forum for ideas for these "special" labels. After all, what a group of collectors thinks is nice and worthy of purchasing can be entirely different in the eyes of a dealer/seller of services. >>
While I enjoy this forum a lot, this place can be a zoo. I'd rather have Don and team making business decisions than asking the forum and getting 50 different answers to one question.
<< <i>
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins...
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
Hey Canadian Mint - you just lost any future business from me. Thanks alot. I thought I was ordering from the Canadian Mint. My bad. >>
Guess we have hosers written all over our foreheads! >>
Here, fixed it for you. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
We all could be graders in that situation. Show me an unc Saint and I couldn't say MS62 or MS63, but show me
3 and I can probably pick the best one. Now, let me cherry pick from 100.
...one for me, three for my friends x, y, and z...ok, send that one to the States. Oops, I dropped one...
<< <i>
<< <i><< The Canadian dealer who is handling the distribution for all the coins...
This sounds all kinds of alarms for me... >>
Um, does this person get to decide who gets the nicest ones?
Hey Canadian Mint - you just lost any future business from me. Thanks alot. I thought I was ordering from the Canadian Mint. My bad. >>
I thought I was the only one wondering/thinking this!! Looks like a bunch of culls or MS60-MS62 coins are heading to America. Guess we have sucker written all over our foreheads! >>
Any guesses as to who the Canadian dealer might be?
Shipping costs for return, yeah, but being able to return them is somewhat comforting.
<< <i>Isn't there a grace period where we can return these if not happy?
Shipping costs for return, yeah, but being able to return them is somewhat comforting. >>
I dont think so... could be wrong though
Also I love fine print.
Hand-selected by Mint staff for a high quality appearance, with minimal evidence of wear caused by handling, storage, or environmental conditions, these Hand-Selected coins are wonderful examples of Canadian numismatic history. They offer the best combination of quality and affordability which gives a wide range of customers the chance to buy a special coin not seen on the market for nearly 100 years.
*Disclaimer
As the Royal Canadian Mint does not grade any of its products, the use of the expression "Hand-Selected" and/or "Premium Hand-Selected" as used herein does not imply any form of coin grade, or suggestion thereof, derived from current numismatic grading standards, or other form of grading systems.
I didnt take that as they would send to a dealer lol
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If so, what was the return address?
<< <i>Coinweek article on new PCGS inserts >>
Odd, the story says 300,000 pieces. The RCM's press release said approx. 245,000 coins. Shall we assume that the RCM is correct?
What does it mean that a dealer is handling the distribution? Is that better or worse than the mint?
<< <i>No returns, but you can cancel the order before you receive them ...
What does it mean that a dealer is handling the distribution? Is that better or worse than the mint? >>
Who knows? If it is true that a dealer is handling the distribution, and that may or may not be the case, does that dealer have an opportunity to examine the coins and hypothetically divert superior specimens to himself or his friends, or is he just putting mailing labels on sealed boxes previously sorted by the RCM? I don't know.
<< <i>No returns, but you can cancel the order before you receive them ...
What does it mean that a dealer is handling the distribution? Is that better or worse than the mint? >>
Not sure how it could be better.....I, too, worry it could be like the 5oz ATB debacle.
Any, and all, government agencies should do things in a way so as to avoid any such appearance of favoritism and/or conflict of interest.
By letting a dealer control it all, unless that same dealer is bound by certain rules and actions, and those are public information, there is an automatic appearance of conflict of interest, imho.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
about the same price. Strong bullion safety net.
The $12,000 for 2.2 ounces of gold is risky. No safety net. You could buy
some interesting gold coins for that, like two XF45 type 1 plus three AU55 type 2 Double Eagles.
You would have 5 interesting coins and $8000 worth of gold.
Ranks right up there with "as seen on TV" and ..."but wait, there's more."
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......