eCollector... Does the 1964 D Peace Dollar really exist ?
TwoSides2aCoin
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How many ?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>I believe they were just minted recently by a local modern hobo styled artist/minter. >>
-Paul
I’d say that there might be a 5% chance that a real one is out there. At any rate I don’t see the coin(s) coming out of the woodwork any time soon because of what happened to Longboards and the 1933 double eagles. If any of the 1964-D dollars did get out of the mint, they did so unofficially and would be subject to government confiscation.
<< <i>I knew a dealer years ago who was very knowledgeable in the area of modern coinage and not prone to telling false tales. He claimed that a fellow, who asked to remain nameless, showed him a 1964-D dollar. I don’t know anything else about the circumstances. Unfortunately that dealer died several years ago, so I can’t go back and ask him more about the story.
I’d say that there might be a 5% chance that a real one is out there. At any rate I don’t see the coin(s) coming out of the woodwork any time soon because of what happened to Longboards and the 1933 double eagles. If any of the 1964-D dollars did get out of the mint, they did so unofficially and would be subject to government confiscation. >>
That is a reasonable estimate of the chances, IMHO.
peacockcoins
Drunner
<< <i>The mint claims all were melted. >>
Unless the coins were visually inspected and ID'd as 64-Ds before being melted, the mint doesn't know whether or not they were all melted.
Coin collecting is not about the 64-D dollars or the 33 twenties or the 1804 dollars or the 1913 Liberty Nickels!!!!
It's about collecting series of coins that were minted and used for circulation many years ago up to what ever point you want to collect to.
Or about type collecting or Box of 20 collecting........not million dollar coins!!!
Sorry for the rant.....JMHO.
<< <i>Bigfoot's got them all in his pockets. >>
Well, he did until he had a hankering for some beef jerky.
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Drunner >>
I up you one, 3
Ive also heard several foreign dignataries were presented with them. (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Israel, sultan of brunei) this is all hearsay though...
<< <i>I’d say that there might be a 5% chance that a real one is out there. At any rate I don’t see the coin(s) coming out of the woodwork any time soon because of what happened to Longboards and the 1933 double eagles. If any of the 1964-D dollars did get out of the mint, they did so unofficially and would be subject to government confiscation. >>
Just like those pesky
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60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
Go through every coin in every bag, possible? Were they even in bags or in giant bins?
I think it's also possible someone could have slipped in a few other MS dates to account for the weight.
What do you do with this piece once you possess it?
<< <i>The one I really want to get my hands on is a 1974 aluminum cent. More than 1.5 million were struck, and at least a dozen were not accounted for. >>
Were you here when some board members actually held one and posted photos of it? The thread later got deleted but it was very cool.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>There are no known 1964-D Peace Dollars. It seems like the stories about their existence are all unverifiable. >>
Yup. Just another numismatic myth.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>There are no known 1964-D Peace Dollars. It seems like the stories about their existence are all unverifiable. >>
Just like all those stories about 1933 $20's still existing were all unverifiable.
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<< <i>There are no known 1964-D Peace Dollars. It seems like the stories about their existence are all unverifiable. >>
Just like all those stories about 1933 $20's still existing were all unverifiable. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
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What do you do with this piece once you possess it? >>
Covet it for the rarity that it is.
As for melt weights, the same can be said about the 1933 DEs. If the correct weight was melted, then it is assumed they were all destroyed.
<< <i>I believe PCGS would slab one if it was submitted (they have no duty to police such things). OK, it could not be marketed openly, but if slabbed it could be sold. Probably tough for an owner who would have to be discreet but still... it would be sellable. >>
I guess we can watch for it in the pop reports then?
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What do you do with this piece once you possess it? >>
Covet it for the rarity that it is.
As for melt weights, the same can be said about the 1933 DEs. If the correct weight was melted, then it is assumed they were all destroyed. >>
Obviously some common date $20's were exchanged for 1933 $20's. We simply do not know when.
Some common date dollars may have been exchanged for 1964-D dollars. We simply do not know if.
TD
Treasury's position, stated again
and again over the years, it's very
doubtful that one will 'surface' in
any reasonable time frame.
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Matt’s Mattes
<< <i>If one existed could it legally be sold outside the US or would the US Government still be able to confiscate it. >>
No more able to do so than we can demand the return of detained nationals that were "just going for a hike". I suppose we could offer to trade something.
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Matt’s Mattes
I knew it would happen.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
However, if samples were never made available, then probably none still exist.
And it's also unfortunate that the Smithsonian wasn't given one for their collection.
<< <i>I believe they exist - but with the
Treasury's position, stated again
and again over the years, it's very
doubtful that one will 'surface' in
any reasonable time frame. >>
I agree with Fred. But isn't it about time we gave "amnesty" to these coins as well as the 1974 aluminum cents, and the 1933 double eagles?
After all, just what characteristic is it about the 1933 DE's that is different from the 1913 Liberty nickels, that makes the former illegal and the latter legal?
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
aluminum cent, I have to say that it was pretty unimpressive. Valuable -- yes. Neat
story -- absolutely. Impressive -- nope.
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<< <i>I believe they exist - but with the
Treasury's position, stated again
and again over the years, it's very
doubtful that one will 'surface' in
any reasonable time frame. >>
I agree with Fred. But isn't it about time we gave "amnesty" to these coins as well as the 1974 aluminum cents, and the 1933 double eagles?
After all, just what characteristic is it about the 1933 DE's that is different from the 1913 Liberty nickels, that makes the former illegal and the latter legal? >>
there is actually an important distinction between the two, One was intended for circulation and not fully processed and the mint followed protocols and can show in court that they did what they were supposed to do. On coins like the 1913 no one really knows anything about them and nothing can be proven in court other than processes were not followed by the mint to innocence is inferred to the owner as there is no proof of guilt. For the 1933 eagles there is enough of the record left to show that the coins really didn't have a proper path out of the mint.
<< <i>Having been one of the numismatists given the opportunity to hold and study a 1974
aluminum cent, I have to say that it was pretty unimpressive. Valuable -- yes. Neat
story -- absolutely. Impressive -- nope. >>
How impressive can any aluminum coin be anyway. You sneeze and it is blowing away with the wind.
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<< <i>and this is one of the main reasons why DC should have minted any of these.......because they were made, mint emplyees received them and then were asked to return them. >>
It seems like no one is on record saying these were distributed to Mint employees so that story may be a myth as well.
However, there is a named Mint employee who stated the exchange story may have been mistakenly attributed to an exchange program for the then-new Kennedy halves. I don't recall his name but I believe it was mentioned in The Numismatist article on the 1964-D Peace dollar a while back (August 2004?).
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<< <i>There are no known 1964-D Peace Dollars. It seems like the stories about their existence are all unverifiable. >>
Just like all those stories about 1933 $20's still existing were all unverifiable. >>
There's actually a big difference in that existence of 1933 DEs has been known for a long time and they were sold as far back as the 1940s and possibly 1930s.
being 'unimpressive', I can say that
when I held the piece raw, in my
hand, it was VERY impressive to
hold such a 'light' Lincoln Cent.
I guess I'm just still a collector at heart.
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<< <i>This reminds me of J. Cline's account of the 1931 Standing Liberty Quarter(s). Someone claims to have seen / handled one, but the person now cannot be located. In an odd sort of way, it reminds me of the "Richard Gere Legend." >>
They're in his butt?
<< <i>The 1964-D peace dollar is like the Loch Ness monster, Big Foot, and the Abominable Snowman---Some people want it to exist but until there's documented proof, it don't exist. >>
Some people desperately want it to not exist, for whatever strange reason. Since you cannot prove a negative, you cannot say that it does not exist.