I wouldn't leave my photobucket account wide open.
I tried to message youy to let you know, but it wouldn't let me.
You have your name address phone number everything on that one picture.
Close it down bro. >>
Thanks. I'm not really paranoid though. I live alone and am a pretty big, healthy guy so...guys beware and girls (single and pretty) c'mon! lol. Thanks though.
I got this address from someone on this site roughly a year or so ago. I don't remember from who or exactly when. This thread got me to thinking about it so thought I would share it for those who want to take a look. It appears to list coins that have been identified from ebay that are counterfeit. The worst part is now I find it tough to know what is and isn't the real thing. So in short I'm glad someone is watching but feel bad for the ones they make mistakes on. LINKY
"May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
I went to Mikes link looked at pages 1 - 40 of the 118 total pages and counted 4 NGC's listed as counterfeit... lost count of the PCGS counterfeits but there had to be over 100 listed.
I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts?
<< <i>I went to Mikes link looked at pages 1 - 40 of the 118 total pages and counted 4 NGC's listed as counterfeit... lost count of the PCGS counterfeits but there had to be over 100 listed.
I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts? >>
Probably because the counterfeiters think PCGS coins sell for more than NGC coins.
DPOTD-3 'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'
<<I went to Mikes link looked at pages 1 - 40 of the 118 total pages and counted 4 NGC's listed as counterfeit... lost count of the PCGS counterfeits but there had to be over 100 listed.>>
<<I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts?>>
Just wondering/guessing here...but did NGC make images of many of their slabs available first...or have a greater percentage of their slabs been imaged? If so, that MIGHT partially explain the disparity.
<< <i>I went to Mikes link looked at pages 1 - 40 of the 118 total pages and counted 4 NGC's listed as counterfeit... lost count of the PCGS counterfeits but there had to be over 100 listed.
I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts? >>
I'm surprised you don't see CAC stickers on some of those fake slabs. Seems like the stickers would be less difficult to counterfeit than the slabs and coins themselves. Then again maybe CAC stickers have already been counterfeited and just haven't been caught onto yet.
"May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
Thanks for the feedback around this topic. We wanted to let you know that eBay received a professional opinion from PCGS and made the decision to reinstate the listing. We appreciate the community's feedback about this topic.
<< <i>I was contacted by eBay for clarification of our policies prior to reading the original post. PCGS has worked with eBay whenever we are asked. After some correspondence I received the following email last week (partial content) -
The removal of the coins graded by PCGS was an error on the part of the reporter and the eBay representative who removed them. We have since rectified the situation and changed our procedure for handling reports when it concerns coins graded by PCGS and other highly rated grading companies.
As the email said, this was simply a mistake. We should applaud eBay's efforts to monitor their coin listings and help them whenever we can.
Everything else that I have said in this post still stands. >>
What this seems to mean is that Don will be the final arbiter for graded coins which is hardly an impartial view, given PCGS's need to generate profits for its investors. It cannot afford to admit its mistakes.
Now that Don is reading this thread, perhaps he will tell us how PCGS can definitively identify NT coins and distinguish them from AT coins. Let's forget the paranoia and let's think about the hobby instead because it's one thing detecting chemical residues but other AT techniques may be undetectable.
In the other thread, I mentioned that I did a search for "rainbow toned" on eBay and I pointed out a listing from one seller - let's choose 221017725830. The seller rarely sold such highly colored coins but in May something changed and the seller is offering 69 graded coins. Personally, I find the number surprising and would seriously question the possibility and see little difference between these and raw coins that some sellers have now admitted they have "heat treated" or anodized" - but only very recently and I wonder why. Many of these are graded by PCGS, so how did it determine that all of these were NT? I feel that answers to this question will quell concerns because if PCGS can guarantee its opinions, surely nobody need ever question it again?
Meanwhile returning to the paranoia, please read my long post in the other thread. When people choose to protect their identity should we care? In my opinion, no because it's their motives, their values and their opinions that we should discover and make up our own minds about those. Does the original reporter have an ax to grind other than an obvious dislike of AT'd coins? I have yet to see it and I don't like them either, but so what? If someone here is a member of that group and chooses to admit it, does it mean that their opinions and values can then be discounted? I doubt it but I would expect them to come under attack from others - this seems to be a feature here - rather than just have their opinions challenged. I generally find that those who have little to nothing of value to contribute will try to destroy those who have something worthwhile to say.
Somebody once tipped me off that an eBay seller is a convicted pedophile perhaps I should be reporting that here too but I don't think so.
As I have mentioned in the other thread, I have been reliably informed that the group is now ignoring all reports received and apparently not reporting counterfeits and other such items and this is because of the manner in which eBay has acted in this matter and the way in which the group's integrity has been undermined and its independence destroyed, as its opinions can be overruled by those of PCGS. I am sure that this information came from one of the group's members, so I have no reason to discount it and from other comments here, others seem privy to some information about the group. Where is Joe McCarthy when you really need him?!
This was about three coins, AT or NT, and the outcome is that eBay is once again a free for all for dishonest sellers, and listings with errors will now be allowed to conclude and in all of this eBay/PayPal will have to sort out the mess after the event. Bullion scams that have been mentioned on this forum and in other coin forums I visit will now be left to continue unchecked and I am sure that posts in this thread and the other one have helped create this situation. So most of you can give yourselves a big pat on the back for your contribution to the safety of eBay and the integrity of the hobby which I'm sure eclipses everything that the members of that group have done. It seems to me that the original issue could have been resolved in an amicable fashion without this fallout.
The dishonest dealers on this forum will be smacking their lips, the coin docs will be getting a new batch ready, the Chinese counterfeiters will be delighted but unfortunately, the decent, honest collectors who act with integrity and love the hobby will just have to be more careful. Will eBay lose out? Perhaps, if the press or your local congressman takes an interest and perhaps the next time there is a big bullion scam that goes unreported but then again, eBay can always raise its fees.
I am not going to divulge my sources of information, which I believe to be genuine and have proved to be accurate in the past and I hope the posters in this thread will concentrate on the important issues and not indulge themselves in a largely irrelevant witch-hunt.
Thanks for the feedback around this topic. We wanted to let you know that eBay received a professional opinion from PCGS and made the decision to reinstate the listing. We appreciate the community's feedback about this topic.
eBay Collectibles Team >>
Please see my reply to you in the other thread and let's see whether you are just another eBay toady or someone willing to engage in an open debate. Let's face it, eBay has not been open so far, so let's see you redeem yourself.
"What this seems to mean is that Don will be the final arbiter for graded coins which is hardly an impartial view, given PCGS's need to generate profits for its investors. It cannot afford to admit its mistakes."
What an amazing post when the post just prior, from the eBay Collectibles Team, said they went to PCGS for their professional opinion of these coins. What's your agenda here?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
without reading it in its entirety, my opinion is that any PCGS forum member known to be a participant in the eBay group should be banned, no questions asked.
without reading it in its entirety, my opinion is that any PCGS forum member known to be a participant in the eBay group should be banned, no questions asked. >>
Great. Then we can fairly say that in your considered opinion you won't be considering any other opinion. O.K. then.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Is it not possible for ebay to HIRE an individual or two that KNOWS coins and is fairly good at monitering chatrooms and consolidating info about scam auctions?
Why do they have to rely on free help? Which may be worth what it costs.
There are posts all over the internet about fake auction material and I do not understand why ebay hasn't handled this better.
Years ago, there was a guy who did a copy and paste group of about 50 auctions for a third of a mil and was obviously going to do a Paypal hit and run, I sent an email to Rob Chesnut and the matter was handled.
I do not consider myself a regular ebay truth verifier and somewhat like the venue but they sure manage by trial and error.
Too much rhetoric. The bottom line is this represent a challenge to PCGS's integrity and professionalism and aptitude. This is not about the sellers who the group supposedly is going after, it's PCGS who the group and eBay are ultimately going after.
eBay apologized and admitted this was all an error. Ultimately small beer for them but potentially huge implications for PCGS.
We all need to recognize this situation for what it really is.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Comments
<< <i>I'd have expected better. >>
Touché.
As I mentioned, I feel this thread is concluded and I will look forward to your posts on another thread.
<< <i>uofa1285
I think bronco does collect coins.
Word to the wise,
I wouldn't leave my photobucket account wide open.
I tried to message youy to let you know, but it wouldn't let me.
You have your name address phone number everything on that one picture.
Close it down bro. >>
Thanks. I'm not really paranoid though. I live alone and am a pretty big, healthy guy so...guys beware and girls (single and pretty) c'mon! lol.
<< <i>Well,
I've had about enough fun.
But I ain't leavin' til someone asks me to stay! >>
Lol! You do have a good wit!
<< <i>This clip sums up the thread , in general. >>
Lol!
LINKY
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts?
<< <i>I went to Mikes link looked at pages 1 - 40 of the 118 total pages and counted 4 NGC's listed as counterfeit... lost count of the PCGS counterfeits but there had to be over 100 listed.
I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts?
>>
Probably because the counterfeiters think PCGS coins sell for more than NGC coins.
DPOTD-3
'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'
CU #3245 B.N.A. #428
Don
<<I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts?>>
Just wondering/guessing here...but did NGC make images of many of their slabs available first...or have a greater percentage of their slabs been imaged? If so, that MIGHT partially explain the disparity.
<< <i>This clip sums up the thread , in general. >>
<< <i>I went to Mikes link looked at pages 1 - 40 of the 118 total pages and counted 4 NGC's listed as counterfeit... lost count of the PCGS counterfeits but there had to be over 100 listed.
I’m wondering why there is such a huge disparity. Any thoughts? >>
I'm surprised you don't see CAC stickers on some of those fake slabs. Seems like the stickers would be less difficult to counterfeit than the slabs and coins themselves. Then again maybe CAC stickers have already been counterfeited and just haven't been caught onto yet.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
Thanks for the feedback around this topic. We wanted to let you know that eBay received a professional opinion from PCGS and made the decision to reinstate the listing. We appreciate the community's feedback about this topic.
eBay Collectibles Team
<< <i>I was contacted by eBay for clarification of our policies prior to reading the original post. PCGS has worked with eBay whenever we are asked. After some correspondence I received the following email last week (partial content) -
The removal of the coins graded by PCGS was an error on the part of the reporter and the eBay representative who removed them. We have since rectified the situation and changed our procedure for handling reports when it concerns coins graded by PCGS and other highly rated grading companies.
As the email said, this was simply a mistake. We should applaud eBay's efforts to monitor their coin listings and help them whenever we can.
Everything else that I have said in this post still stands. >>
What this seems to mean is that Don will be the final arbiter for graded coins which is hardly an impartial view, given PCGS's need to generate profits for its investors. It cannot afford to admit its mistakes.
Now that Don is reading this thread, perhaps he will tell us how PCGS can definitively identify NT coins and distinguish them from AT coins. Let's forget the paranoia and let's think about the hobby instead because it's one thing detecting chemical residues but other AT techniques may be undetectable.
In the other thread, I mentioned that I did a search for "rainbow toned" on eBay and I pointed out a listing from one seller - let's choose 221017725830. The seller rarely sold such highly colored coins but in May something changed and the seller is offering 69 graded coins. Personally, I find the number surprising and would seriously question the possibility and see little difference between these and raw coins that some sellers have now admitted they have "heat treated" or anodized" - but only very recently and I wonder why. Many of these are graded by PCGS, so how did it determine that all of these were NT? I feel that answers to this question will quell concerns because if PCGS can guarantee its opinions, surely nobody need ever question it again?
Meanwhile returning to the paranoia, please read my long post in the other thread. When people choose to protect their identity should we care? In my opinion, no because it's their motives, their values and their opinions that we should discover and make up our own minds about those. Does the original reporter have an ax to grind other than an obvious dislike of AT'd coins? I have yet to see it and I don't like them either, but so what? If someone here is a member of that group and chooses to admit it, does it mean that their opinions and values can then be discounted? I doubt it but I would expect them to come under attack from others - this seems to be a feature here - rather than just have their opinions challenged. I generally find that those who have little to nothing of value to contribute will try to destroy those who have something worthwhile to say.
Somebody once tipped me off that an eBay seller is a convicted pedophile perhaps I should be reporting that here too but I don't think so.
As I have mentioned in the other thread, I have been reliably informed that the group is now ignoring all reports received and apparently not reporting counterfeits and other such items and this is because of the manner in which eBay has acted in this matter and the way in which the group's integrity has been undermined and its independence destroyed, as its opinions can be overruled by those of PCGS. I am sure that this information came from one of the group's members, so I have no reason to discount it and from other comments here, others seem privy to some information about the group. Where is Joe McCarthy when you really need him?!
This was about three coins, AT or NT, and the outcome is that eBay is once again a free for all for dishonest sellers, and listings with errors will now be allowed to conclude and in all of this eBay/PayPal will have to sort out the mess after the event. Bullion scams that have been mentioned on this forum and in other coin forums I visit will now be left to continue unchecked and I am sure that posts in this thread and the other one have helped create this situation. So most of you can give yourselves a big pat on the back for your contribution to the safety of eBay and the integrity of the hobby which I'm sure eclipses everything that the members of that group have done. It seems to me that the original issue could have been resolved in an amicable fashion without this fallout.
The dishonest dealers on this forum will be smacking their lips, the coin docs will be getting a new batch ready, the Chinese counterfeiters will be delighted but unfortunately, the decent, honest collectors who act with integrity and love the hobby will just have to be more careful. Will eBay lose out? Perhaps, if the press or your local congressman takes an interest and perhaps the next time there is a big bullion scam that goes unreported but then again, eBay can always raise its fees.
I am not going to divulge my sources of information, which I believe to be genuine and have proved to be accurate in the past and I hope the posters in this thread will concentrate on the important issues and not indulge themselves in a largely irrelevant witch-hunt.
<< <i>Hi all,
Thanks for the feedback around this topic. We wanted to let you know that eBay received a professional opinion from PCGS and made the decision to reinstate the listing. We appreciate the community's feedback about this topic.
eBay Collectibles Team >>
Please see my reply to you in the other thread and let's see whether you are just another eBay toady or someone willing to engage in an open debate. Let's face it, eBay has not been open so far, so let's see you redeem yourself.
What an amazing post when the post just prior, from the eBay Collectibles Team, said they went to PCGS for their professional opinion of these coins. What's your agenda here?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
without reading it in its entirety, my opinion is that any PCGS forum member known to be a participant in the eBay group should be banned, no questions asked.
<< <i>how did i miss this thread???
without reading it in its entirety, my opinion is that any PCGS forum member known to be a participant in the eBay group should be banned, no questions asked. >>
Great.
Then we can fairly say that in your considered opinion you won't be considering any other opinion.
O.K. then.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Why do they have to rely on free help? Which may be worth what it costs.
There are posts all over the internet about fake auction material and I do not understand why ebay hasn't handled this better.
Years ago, there was a guy who did a copy and paste group of about 50 auctions for a third of a mil and was obviously going to do a Paypal hit and run, I sent an email to Rob Chesnut and the matter was handled.
I do not consider myself a regular ebay truth verifier and somewhat like the venue but they sure manage by trial and error.
P.S. I have no dog in the fight. I'm just trying to run a legitimate business without interference.
eBay apologized and admitted this was all an error. Ultimately small beer for them but potentially huge implications for PCGS.
We all need to recognize this situation for what it really is.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
http://www.coinshop.com