Is that the normal message we(not the seller) would see if ebay pulled it? Because on other coins ebay has pulled that people have reported as fakes I have seen a totally different message.I forget what it says but its a banner of some sort with an item number no pictures mostly just a blank page.
I see the same message on a raw lincoln who pulled this one ebay or you?
I don't see anything there that prohibits the members of that group from identifying themselves. The group being discussed in this thread have been described as not being permitted to identify themselves, so I figured it was a different group.
<< <i>As to why someone could be NARUed, the person offering to disclose the membership is an eBay seller and presumably agreed to abide by eBay policies. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to imagine offering to disclose eBay proprietary information as part of the policies. >>
Using your explanation, people could be NARUd for any number of undefined infractions. Maybe it works that way, but if so, you'd have to agree it's awfully arbitrary. Kind of like getting eBay listings ended when it's entirely likely there was nothing wrong with them.
I don't see anything there that prohibits the members of that group from identifying themselves. The group being discussed in this thread have been described as not being permitted to identify themselves, so I figured it was a different group. >>
Since the name and purpose of the group is the same, that is an interesting interpretation.
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<< <i>As to why someone could be NARUed, the person offering to disclose the membership is an eBay seller and presumably agreed to abide by eBay policies. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to imagine offering to disclose eBay proprietary information as part of the policies. >>
Using your explanation, people could be NARUd for any number of undefined infractions. Maybe it works that way, but if so, you'd have to agree it's awfully arbitrary. Kind of like getting eBay listings ended when it's entirely likely there was nothing wrong with them. >>
I believe policies which disallow unapproved release of proprietary information to be common and not arbitrary.
<< <i>eBay's attempts to clean up its coin auctions are admirable and long overdue.
I am sure there are many instances where even a casual collector can alert eBay to a problem sale and for that reason the newly formed watch group can be helpful.
It's eBay's site and they can allow or not allow any auction they want. However for eBay to remove a PCGS (or NGC) graded coin because of some amateur grader's opinion demonstrates a real lack of knowledge on their part. Some people always like to second guess the grading services. We welcome any new competition who wants to offer the same service and same guarantee that we do.
If anyone has a PCGS graded coin removed by eBay because it is deemed to be a problem coin please contact me with the cert. # and any correspondence from eBay.
thanks. >>
Mr. Don Willis...I commend you on your willingness to honor the PCGS label, it shows collectors/sellers of PCGS end products that there is in fact someone there that will back up the written guarantee. The only thing that is missing from this equation is the sellers images that were actually used in the preemptive e-Bay auction. Not everyone is guilty of 'tweaking' images in an attempt to bring out 'monster rainbow' toning, but it does happen and when done, is not a fair representation of the actual PCGS encapsulated coin you will eventually receive. Any coin image that has been manipulated in such a fashion should be removed from any auction venue and that is all I have to say about that.
Thanks for taking your time to respond to this thread, have a nice day and add another 60's era music poster to your growing collection.
No one would waste their time toning that coin in a slab it has no value to begin with plus i think that if it was toned in the slab with a chemical it would be on both sides. Any gas or liquid you could get in there would affect both sides equally unless you had a way of busting it out then putting it together again.
Wheres the money in mucking around with a 2$ coin in a slab? If you could do that in an effective way you would aim a little higher I think.
In fact there is no money in getting that coin graded in the first place if it isn't toned so I would argue it was sent in because it was appealing to the submitter .
here is an answer to a question regarding the function of the CCW, posed to an eBAy representative, during an online Q&A session in 2004:
The CCW members are experts in the field of numismatics and active eBay community members. They also volunteer their time to notify eBay Customer Support of any issues which violate our Coins Code of Conduct and listing policies. They do not however have the power to take action against any listing or seller, this is still and will always remain the purview of eBay customer support, who take action when appropriate consistent with eBay policy. In this way we benefit from having active input from a community of experts, but have the checks and balances in place to ensure appropriate action.
<< <i>Since the name and purpose of the group is the same, that is an interesting interpretation. >>
There is nothing at the link you posted that prohibits the members of the group from identifying themselves, yet in this thread, it is claimed they are not allowed to do so. Since you are posting with such certainty on the topic, maybe could you explain which is correct (and how you know it) for those of us not in the loop?
<< <i>Since the name and purpose of the group is the same, that is an interesting interpretation. >>
There is nothing at the link you posted that prohibits the members of the group from identifying themselves, yet in this thread, it is claimed they are not allowed to do so. Since you are posting with such certainty on the topic, maybe could you explain which is correct (and how you know it) for those of us not in the loop? >>
I'm not sure what your point is since there is also nothing permitting members to identify themselves.
As for my reasoning, I am relying on the law of parsimony. If you are not familiar with it, I feel it's worthwhile to know.
<< <i>eBay Informants/Agents in Our Midst...With the Ability to Nuke PCGS Slab Listings...Is Everyone Cool With That? >>
I'm cool with it, Don has my back. Any one of us that reports counterfiet coins is an "informant." And, as previously pointed out ebay holds sole authority to nuke a listing. So, yes, I'm cool with it all.
<< <i>I'm not sure what your point is since there is also nothing permitting members to identify themselves. >>
There is nothing permitting members to eat pizza, either. Using your logic, they aren't permitted to. Pretty silly argument, wouldn't you agree? >>
I think saying a group is unpublished, finding out a group with the same name and purpose has been publicized widely for almost a decade, and then using a reason like this to say they are not the same is pretty silly.
That being said, if you really want to insist group references with the same name and purpose (run by the same organization at the same time) are in fact referring to different groups, I'm not sure anyone can stop you
As the OP of this thread, I once again thank Don for stating and re-stating the policy that we've all come to rely on to protect the value of our investments and the integrity of the hobby.
Personally speaking, I don't think publishing the [alledged] names of the eBay group would be a positive development...for the same reason the mere existence of this group troubles me...it can create both disharmony and potential conflicts of interest with other members on this board.
<< <i>As the OP of this thread, I once again thank Don for stating and re-stating the policy that we've all come to rely on to protect the value of our investments and the integrity of the hobby.
Personally speaking, I don't think publishing the [alledged] names of the eBay group would be a positive development...for the same reason the mere existence of this group troubles me...it can create both disharmony and potential conflicts of interest with other members on this board. >>
Agreed on all points. Ultimately this is a conflict between eBay and PCGS which caught uofa1285 in the middle. Still odd that the original listings for those coins didn't meet the same fate though.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
I don't know about all the listings that were reported, but the South African coins in the links I looked at were not ones that could definitively be described as artificially toned. The toning on these coins very well could be as fully natural as any coin in a PCGS holder. As such, I am wondering if the eBay watchdog group has apologized to the seller for their actions or contacted eBay on behalf of the seller to explain that they may have acted in haste in condemning those listings.
I was contacted by eBay for clarification of our policies prior to reading the original post. PCGS has worked with eBay whenever we are asked. After some correspondence I received the following email last week (partial content) -
The removal of the coins graded by PCGS was an error on the part of the reporter and the eBay representative who removed them. We have since rectified the situation and changed our procedure for handling reports when it concerns coins graded by PCGS and other highly rated grading companies.
As the email said, this was simply a mistake. We should applaud eBay's efforts to monitor their coin listings and help them whenever we can.
Everything else that I have said in this post still stands.
<< <i>Don, is PCGS proactive in bringing listed counterfeit slabs to ebay's attention? >>
What does this have to do with this thread, and what is he going to say, no?
He just said that this whole thing was a screwup by eBay's admission, and possibly by the very people posting in this thread who are so vigorously defending the practice.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
It's good to know PCGS and eBay working together on this issue. As with any business, errors can be made; however, what is important is how organization's respond to and rectify those errors.
Hopefully there will be more support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers.
<< <i>Hopefully there will be more support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. >>
I have plenty of support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. What I don't support is the witchhunt mentality displayed in this thread with regards to some of the auctions in question. Hopefully you'd agree.
And I'm still wondering if the watch group has apologized to the seller of the South Africa coins.
<< <i>I have plenty of support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. What I don't support is the witchhunt mentality displayed in this thread . >>
I agree.
The witch hunt mentality of ths thread was ridiculous.
<< <i>Hopefully there will be more support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. >>
I have plenty of support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. What I don't support is the witchhunt mentality displayed in this thread with regards to some of the auctions in question. Hopefully you'd agree. >>
I didn't notice a witchhunt mentality in this thread with respect to the auctions in question. What I noticed more was certain people wanting to make a mistake appear like a witchhunt.
<< <i>And I'm still wondering if the watch group has apologized to the seller of the South Africa coins. >>
Given all the information the seller has provided and offered to provide, I'd be surprised if we didn't find out.
<< <i>I didn't notice a witchhunt mentality in this thread with respect to the auctions in question. What I noticed more was certain people wanting to make a mistake appear like a witchhunt. >>
Yeah, you're probably right. Killing a seller's listings without being sure why you're doing it is in everybody's best interests. So a seller gets hassled- it's a small price to pay (for you, anyway- the seller might have a different opinion on that) to make the marketplace safer for buyers.
<< <i>Yeah, you're probably right. Killing a seller's listings without being sure why you're doing it is in everybody's best interests. So a seller gets hassled- it's a small price to pay (for you, anyway- the seller might have a different opinion on that) to make the marketplace safer for buyers. >>
Can you read?
Even though the title to this thread has just changed and is perdied up a lil'
It still says"ebay informants/Agents in our midst"
That's what the thread was about. That's what the witch hunt was about.
Even though the title to this thread has just changed and is perdied up a lil'
It still says"ebay informants/Agents in our midst"
That's what the thread was about. That's what the witch hunt was about.
Please try to keep up. >>
So your point is that every post in a thread should be based on the title of the thread? An interesting observation, I'm sure. If you check around the intertubes, you'll likely find that people often address more than one topic in any particular thread on lots of discussion boards.
<< <i>I didn't notice a witchhunt mentality in this thread with respect to the auctions in question. What I noticed more was certain people wanting to make a mistake appear like a witchhunt. >>
Yeah, you're probably right. Killing a seller's listings without being sure why you're doing it is in everybody's best interests. So a seller gets hassled- it's a small price to pay (for you, anyway- the seller might have a different opinion on that) to make the marketplace safer for buyers. >>
Did you miss the word mistake?
Mistakes happen in any business and it is important to find constructive ways to fix those errors.
I do feel the witchhunt mentality you mention is exhibited more by those wishing to extend a single event to a pattern for which there is no evidence in nearly 8 years of the group's operation.
No, I didn't. Another thing I didn't miss was a bunch of people jumping on a seller because of a watch group that was more interested in acting than making sure of what they were doing before acting.
<< <i>No one would waste their time toning that coin in a slab it has no value to begin with plus i think that if it was toned in the slab with a chemical it would be on both sides. Any gas or liquid you could get in there would affect both sides equally unless you had a way of busting it out then putting it together again.
Wheres the money in mucking around with a 2$ coin in a slab? If you could do that in an effective way you would aim a little higher I think.
In fact there is no money in getting that coin graded in the first place if it isn't toned so I would argue it was sent in because it was appealing to the submitter . >>
Do you even collect coins? lol...your statements are unfathomable regarding price vs. collectibility.
I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence, often at the urging of people on these forums. I wish them the best going forward and hope they have a constructive working relationship with the top TPGs. I also hope people don't jump to conclusions about the group over what appears to be a single mistake.
<< <i>I don't know about all the listings that were reported, but the South African coins in the links I looked at were not ones that could definitively be described as artificially toned. The toning on these coins very well could be as fully natural as any coin in a PCGS holder. As such, I am wondering if the eBay watchdog group has apologized to the seller for their actions or contacted eBay on behalf of the seller to explain that they may have acted in haste in condemning those listings.
Anybody know? >>
No apology received on my end from said group...rather, they still have their feathers all ruffled to this minute in their postings in this post and my original post. Egos go down hard for some people...me? I've been divorced so I lost my hubris a longgg time ago...lol.
<< <i>Do you even collect coins? lol...your statements are unfathomable regarding price vs. collectibility. >>
I've been wondering this too Actually this thread was a hoot all weekend long, watching these two defend the actions of ebays police made for a great read, thanks stairman and zoins for the funnys.
<< <i>I don't know about all the listings that were reported, but the South African coins in the links I looked at were not ones that could definitively be described as artificially toned. The toning on these coins very well could be as fully natural as any coin in a PCGS holder. As such, I am wondering if the eBay watchdog group has apologized to the seller for their actions or contacted eBay on behalf of the seller to explain that they may have acted in haste in condemning those listings.
Anybody know? >>
No apology received on my end from said group...rather, they still have their feathers all ruffled to this minute in their postings in this post and my original post. Egos go down hard for some people...me? I've been divorced so I lost my hubris a longgg time ago...lol. >>
I am lost on this thread. Who has not apologized and who's feathers are ruffled?
You're welcome coinbuf. On my end, the funnies were provided by the opposing opinion so my thanks to them for making for some entertaining, and sometimes quite surprising, reading
More important to me is that the discussion remained civil and light-hearted. This is unlike some other threads, both here and ATS.
I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence, often at the urging of people on these forums. I wish them the best going forward and hope they have a constructive working relationship with the top TPGs. I also hope people don't jump to conclusions about the group over what appears to be a single mistake. >>
I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence, often at the urging of people on these forums. I wish them the best going forward and hope they have a constructive working relationship with the top TPGs. I also hope people don't jump to conclusions about the group over what appears to be a single mistake. >>
That's a bit self-serving, isn't it Zoins? >>
No it's not, but I'm curious to know why you think it is
<< <i>I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence >>
Posted by Zoins, Wednesday May 02, 2012 4:50 PM: "I am not a member of the eBay Coin Community Watch Group and did not know it existed until I read this thread."
Got up to speed on the group rather quickly, I see. Good job.
<< <i>I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence >>
Posted by Zoins, Wednesday May 02, 2012 4:50 PM: "I am not a member of the eBay Coin Community Watch Group and did not know it existed until I read this thread."
Got up to speed on the group rather quickly, I see. Good job. >>
While I've seen eBay take action on auctions based on threads here; I was previously unaware the group was publicly formalized 8 years ago. Knowing now that eBay has a formal process in place which they've created in conjunction with numismatic experts and the ANA makes me even more confident in this effort.
I'm glad the were able to publicize this group 8 years ago
<< <i>Knowing now that eBay has a formal process in place which they've created in conjunction with numismatic experts and the ANA makes me even more confident in this effort. >>
You've known of the group for three days and they've made only one mistake in that time- at least, as far as you're aware. I guess that's pretty good.
<< <i>Knowing now that eBay has a formal process in place which they've created in conjunction with numismatic experts and the ANA makes me even more confident in this effort. >>
You've known of the group for three days and they've made only one mistake in that time- at least, as far as you're aware. I guess that's pretty good. >>
I've been on these boards for a bit longer than 3 days and I'm well aware of the positive actions eBay has taken in response to reports from this board. Perhaps you've missed those threads or believe they were handled by different groups?
Maybe it read wrong but I was actually defending the slab as legit.
If that coin wasn't toned it would be in the 5 for a dollar bin at the coin shop . No one would AT it and try to get it slabbed , whoever slabbed it thought it was pretty and knew they were going to be buried and didn't mind because they liked it.
I collect old circulated coins most of them are beat and scratched up and the only toning is black. Actually, some of them are green too, but not in a good way.
<< <i>I've been on these boards for a bit longer than 3 days >>
I didn't say you've only been on these boards for three days. I said you claimed you've only known of the eBay group for three days. For somebody who repeatedly chides others for not reading your posts, I'd have expected better.
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Is that the normal message we(not the seller) would see if ebay pulled it? Because on other coins ebay has pulled that people have reported as fakes I have seen a totally different message.I forget what it says but its a banner of some sort with an item number no pictures mostly just a blank page.
I see the same message on a raw lincoln who pulled this one ebay or you?
lincoln
there are 10 completed listings from the 30th on that say that . 7 raw coins and 3 slabs
<< <i>Why do you think eBay doesn't publish existence of the Coins Community Watch group? eBay mentions Community Watch on their main Coins & Paper Money Discussion Board page and has had public discussions about it as far back as 2004. >>
I don't see anything there that prohibits the members of that group from identifying themselves. The group being discussed in this thread have been described as not being permitted to identify themselves, so I figured it was a different group.
<< <i>As to why someone could be NARUed, the person offering to disclose the membership is an eBay seller and presumably agreed to abide by eBay policies. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to imagine offering to disclose eBay proprietary information as part of the policies. >>
Using your explanation, people could be NARUd for any number of undefined infractions. Maybe it works that way, but if so, you'd have to agree it's awfully arbitrary. Kind of like getting eBay listings ended when it's entirely likely there was nothing wrong with them.
<< <i>
<< <i>Why do you think eBay doesn't publish existence of the Coins Community Watch group? eBay mentions Community Watch on their main Coins & Paper Money Discussion Board page and has had public discussions about it as far back as 2004. >>
I don't see anything there that prohibits the members of that group from identifying themselves. The group being discussed in this thread have been described as not being permitted to identify themselves, so I figured it was a different group. >>
Since the name and purpose of the group is the same, that is an interesting interpretation.
<< <i>
<< <i>As to why someone could be NARUed, the person offering to disclose the membership is an eBay seller and presumably agreed to abide by eBay policies. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to imagine offering to disclose eBay proprietary information as part of the policies. >>
Using your explanation, people could be NARUd for any number of undefined infractions. Maybe it works that way, but if so, you'd have to agree it's awfully arbitrary. Kind of like getting eBay listings ended when it's entirely likely there was nothing wrong with them. >>
I believe policies which disallow unapproved release of proprietary information to be common and not arbitrary.
But on that first link you provided, if you scroll down, there is a photo of the whole slab.
What's going on with that slab?
Maybe it's just the lighting, but at 12 oclock the inner ring on the insert looks odd.
Lighting?
slab
<< <i>eBay's attempts to clean up its coin auctions are admirable and long overdue.
I am sure there are many instances where even a casual collector can alert eBay to a problem sale and for that reason the newly formed watch group can be helpful.
It's eBay's site and they can allow or not allow any auction they want. However for eBay to remove a PCGS (or NGC) graded coin because of some amateur grader's opinion demonstrates a real lack of knowledge on their part. Some people always like to second guess the grading services. We welcome any new competition who wants to offer the same service and same guarantee that we do.
If anyone has a PCGS graded coin removed by eBay because it is deemed to be a problem coin please contact me with the cert. # and any correspondence from eBay.
thanks. >>
Mr. Don Willis...I commend you on your willingness to honor the PCGS label, it shows collectors/sellers of PCGS end products that there is in fact someone there that will back up the written guarantee. The only thing that is missing from this equation is the sellers images that were actually used in the preemptive e-Bay auction. Not everyone is guilty of 'tweaking' images in an attempt to bring out 'monster rainbow' toning, but it does happen and when done, is not a fair representation of the actual PCGS encapsulated coin you will eventually receive. Any coin image that has been manipulated in such a fashion should be removed from any auction venue and that is all I have to say about that.
Thanks for taking your time to respond to this thread, have a nice day and add another 60's era music poster to your growing collection.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
No one would waste their time toning that coin in a slab it has no value to begin with plus i think that if it was toned in the slab with a chemical it would be on both sides. Any gas or liquid you could get in there would affect both sides equally unless you had a way of busting it out then putting it together again.
Wheres the money in mucking around with a 2$ coin in a slab? If you could do that in an effective way you would aim a little higher I think.
In fact there is no money in getting that coin graded in the first place if it isn't toned so I would argue it was sent in because it was appealing to the submitter .
The CCW members are experts in the field of numismatics and active eBay community members. They also volunteer their time to notify eBay Customer Support of any issues which violate our Coins Code of Conduct and listing policies. They do not however have the power to take action against any listing or seller, this is still and will always remain the purview of eBay customer support, who take action when appropriate consistent with eBay policy. In this way we benefit from having active input from a community of experts, but have the checks and balances in place to ensure appropriate action.
<< <i>Since the name and purpose of the group is the same, that is an interesting interpretation. >>
There is nothing at the link you posted that prohibits the members of the group from identifying themselves, yet in this thread, it is claimed they are not allowed to do so. Since you are posting with such certainty on the topic, maybe could you explain which is correct (and how you know it) for those of us not in the loop?
<< <i>
<< <i>Since the name and purpose of the group is the same, that is an interesting interpretation. >>
There is nothing at the link you posted that prohibits the members of the group from identifying themselves, yet in this thread, it is claimed they are not allowed to do so. Since you are posting with such certainty on the topic, maybe could you explain which is correct (and how you know it) for those of us not in the loop? >>
I'm not sure what your point is since there is also nothing permitting members to identify themselves.
As for my reasoning, I am relying on the law of parsimony. If you are not familiar with it, I feel it's worthwhile to know.
<< <i>Wheres the money in mucking around with a 2$ coin in a slab? If you could do that in an effective way you would aim a little higher I think. >>
I agree.
And I'm not saying the OP on the other thread has done any of that.
But when I clicked the link you posted, I looked at some of the feedback for him, and saw he bought this.
So I guess the toning adds a little price
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that seller has a silver 1979 kennedy half
edit your title
<< <i>I'm not sure what your point is since there is also nothing permitting members to identify themselves. >>
There is nothing permitting members to eat pizza, either. Using your logic, they aren't permitted to. Pretty silly argument, wouldn't you agree?
<< <i>eBay Informants/Agents in Our Midst...With the Ability to Nuke PCGS Slab Listings...Is Everyone Cool With That? >>
I'm cool with it, Don has my back. Any one of us that reports counterfiet coins is an "informant." And, as previously pointed out ebay holds sole authority to nuke a listing. So, yes, I'm cool with it all.
Exit bunker, enter Matrix. LOL
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<< <i>I'm not sure what your point is since there is also nothing permitting members to identify themselves. >>
There is nothing permitting members to eat pizza, either. Using your logic, they aren't permitted to. Pretty silly argument, wouldn't you agree? >>
I think saying a group is unpublished, finding out a group with the same name and purpose has been publicized widely for almost a decade, and then using a reason like this to say they are not the same is pretty silly.
That being said, if you really want to insist group references with the same name and purpose (run by the same organization at the same time) are in fact referring to different groups, I'm not sure anyone can stop you
Personally speaking, I don't think publishing the [alledged] names of the eBay group would be a positive development...for the same reason the mere existence of this group troubles me...it can create both disharmony and potential conflicts of interest with other members on this board.
<< <i>As the OP of this thread, I once again thank Don for stating and re-stating the policy that we've all come to rely on to protect the value of our investments and the integrity of the hobby.
Personally speaking, I don't think publishing the [alledged] names of the eBay group would be a positive development...for the same reason the mere existence of this group troubles me...it can create both disharmony and potential conflicts of interest with other members on this board. >>
Agreed on all points. Ultimately this is a conflict between eBay and PCGS which caught uofa1285 in the middle. Still odd that the original listings for those coins didn't meet the same fate though.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Anybody know?
Exit bunker, enter Matrix. LOL
The removal of the coins graded by PCGS was an error on the part of the reporter and the eBay representative who removed them. We have since rectified the situation and changed our procedure for handling reports when it concerns coins graded by PCGS and other highly rated grading companies.
As the email said, this was simply a mistake. We should applaud eBay's efforts to monitor their coin listings and help them whenever we can.
Everything else that I have said in this post still stands.
Exit bunker, enter Matrix. LOL
<< <i>Don, is PCGS proactive in bringing listed counterfeit slabs to ebay's attention? >>
What does this have to do with this thread, and what is he going to say, no?
He just said that this whole thing was a screwup by eBay's admission, and possibly by the very people posting in this thread who are so vigorously defending the practice.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>As the email said, this was simply a mistake. >>
I am still wondering if the watch group has apologized to the seller.
<< <i>We should applaud eBay's efforts to monitor their coin listings and help them whenever we can. >>
Of course, but jumping to unfounded conclusions (as it appears was the case here) is not the way to do that.
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It's good to know PCGS and eBay working together on this issue. As with any business, errors can be made; however, what is important is how organization's respond to and rectify those errors.
Hopefully there will be more support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers.
<< <i>Hopefully there will be more support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. >>
I have plenty of support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. What I don't support is the witchhunt mentality displayed in this thread with regards to some of the auctions in question. Hopefully you'd agree.
And I'm still wondering if the watch group has apologized to the seller of the South Africa coins.
<< <i>I have plenty of support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. What I don't support is the witchhunt mentality displayed in this thread . >>
I agree.
The witch hunt mentality of ths thread was ridiculous.
I'm glad you finally saw that.
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<< <i>Hopefully there will be more support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. >>
I have plenty of support for eBay's efforts to improve the auction experience for their buyers. What I don't support is the witchhunt mentality displayed in this thread with regards to some of the auctions in question. Hopefully you'd agree. >>
I didn't notice a witchhunt mentality in this thread with respect to the auctions in question. What I noticed more was certain people wanting to make a mistake appear like a witchhunt.
<< <i>And I'm still wondering if the watch group has apologized to the seller of the South Africa coins. >>
Given all the information the seller has provided and offered to provide, I'd be surprised if we didn't find out.
<< <i>I didn't notice a witchhunt mentality in this thread with respect to the auctions in question. What I noticed more was certain people wanting to make a mistake appear like a witchhunt. >>
Yeah, you're probably right. Killing a seller's listings without being sure why you're doing it is in everybody's best interests. So a seller gets hassled- it's a small price to pay (for you, anyway- the seller might have a different opinion on that) to make the marketplace safer for buyers.
<< <i>Yeah, you're probably right. Killing a seller's listings without being sure why you're doing it is in everybody's best interests. So a seller gets hassled- it's a small price to pay (for you, anyway- the seller might have a different opinion on that) to make the marketplace safer for buyers. >>
Can you read?
Even though the title to this thread has just changed and is perdied up a lil'
It still says"ebay informants/Agents in our midst"
That's what the thread was about. That's what the witch hunt was about.
Please try to keep up.
<< <i>Can you read?
Even though the title to this thread has just changed and is perdied up a lil'
It still says"ebay informants/Agents in our midst"
That's what the thread was about. That's what the witch hunt was about.
Please try to keep up. >>
So your point is that every post in a thread should be based on the title of the thread? An interesting observation, I'm sure. If you check around the intertubes, you'll likely find that people often address more than one topic in any particular thread on lots of discussion boards.
Or not, I guess.
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<< <i>I didn't notice a witchhunt mentality in this thread with respect to the auctions in question. What I noticed more was certain people wanting to make a mistake appear like a witchhunt. >>
Yeah, you're probably right. Killing a seller's listings without being sure why you're doing it is in everybody's best interests. So a seller gets hassled- it's a small price to pay (for you, anyway- the seller might have a different opinion on that) to make the marketplace safer for buyers. >>
Did you miss the word mistake?
Mistakes happen in any business and it is important to find constructive ways to fix those errors.
I do feel the witchhunt mentality you mention is exhibited more by those wishing to extend a single event to a pattern for which there is no evidence in nearly 8 years of the group's operation.
<< <i>Did you miss the word mistake? >>
No, I didn't. Another thing I didn't miss was a bunch of people jumping on a seller because of a watch group that was more interested in acting than making sure of what they were doing before acting.
The road to hell is paved with Good Intentions.
<< <i>No one would waste their time toning that coin in a slab it has no value to begin with plus i think that if it was toned in the slab with a chemical it would be on both sides. Any gas or liquid you could get in there would affect both sides equally unless you had a way of busting it out then putting it together again.
Wheres the money in mucking around with a 2$ coin in a slab? If you could do that in an effective way you would aim a little higher I think.
In fact there is no money in getting that coin graded in the first place if it isn't toned so I would argue it was sent in because it was appealing to the submitter . >>
Do you even collect coins? lol...your statements are unfathomable regarding price vs. collectibility.
I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence, often at the urging of people on these forums. I wish them the best going forward and hope they have a constructive working relationship with the top TPGs. I also hope people don't jump to conclusions about the group over what appears to be a single mistake.
<< <i>I don't know about all the listings that were reported, but the South African coins in the links I looked at were not ones that could definitively be described as artificially toned. The toning on these coins very well could be as fully natural as any coin in a PCGS holder. As such, I am wondering if the eBay watchdog group has apologized to the seller for their actions or contacted eBay on behalf of the seller to explain that they may have acted in haste in condemning those listings.
Anybody know? >>
No apology received on my end from said group...rather, they still have their feathers all ruffled to this minute in their postings in this post and my original post. Egos go down hard for some people...me? I've been divorced so I lost my hubris a longgg time ago...lol.
<< <i>Do you even collect coins? lol...your statements are unfathomable regarding price vs. collectibility. >>
I've been wondering this too
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
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<< <i>I don't know about all the listings that were reported, but the South African coins in the links I looked at were not ones that could definitively be described as artificially toned. The toning on these coins very well could be as fully natural as any coin in a PCGS holder. As such, I am wondering if the eBay watchdog group has apologized to the seller for their actions or contacted eBay on behalf of the seller to explain that they may have acted in haste in condemning those listings.
Anybody know? >>
No apology received on my end from said group...rather, they still have their feathers all ruffled to this minute in their postings in this post and my original post. Egos go down hard for some people...me? I've been divorced so I lost my hubris a longgg time ago...lol. >>
I am lost on this thread. Who has not apologized and who's feathers are ruffled?
More important to me is that the discussion remained civil and light-hearted. This is unlike some other threads, both here and ATS.
<< <i>I believe this situation to be concluded.
I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence, often at the urging of people on these forums. I wish them the best going forward and hope they have a constructive working relationship with the top TPGs. I also hope people don't jump to conclusions about the group over what appears to be a single mistake. >>
That's a bit self-serving, isn't it Zoins?
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<< <i>I believe this situation to be concluded.
I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence, often at the urging of people on these forums. I wish them the best going forward and hope they have a constructive working relationship with the top TPGs. I also hope people don't jump to conclusions about the group over what appears to be a single mistake. >>
That's a bit self-serving, isn't it Zoins?
No it's not, but I'm curious to know why you think it is
I think bronco does collect coins.
Word to the wise,
I wouldn't leave my photobucket account wide open.
I tried to message youy to let you know, but it wouldn't let me.
You have your name address phone number everything on that one picture.
Close it down bro.
<< <i>I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence >>
Posted by Zoins, Wednesday May 02, 2012 4:50 PM: "I am not a member of the eBay Coin Community Watch Group and did not know it existed until I read this thread."
Got up to speed on the group rather quickly, I see. Good job.
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<< <i>I also feel the eBay group has done a good job in their 8 years of existence >>
Posted by Zoins, Wednesday May 02, 2012 4:50 PM: "I am not a member of the eBay Coin Community Watch Group and did not know it existed until I read this thread."
Got up to speed on the group rather quickly, I see. Good job.
While I've seen eBay take action on auctions based on threads here; I was previously unaware the group was publicly formalized 8 years ago. Knowing now that eBay has a formal process in place which they've created in conjunction with numismatic experts and the ANA makes me even more confident in this effort.
I'm glad the were able to publicize this group 8 years ago
<< <i>Knowing now that eBay has a formal process in place which they've created in conjunction with numismatic experts and the ANA makes me even more confident in this effort. >>
You've known of the group for three days and they've made only one mistake in that time- at least, as far as you're aware. I guess that's pretty good.
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<< <i>Knowing now that eBay has a formal process in place which they've created in conjunction with numismatic experts and the ANA makes me even more confident in this effort. >>
You've known of the group for three days and they've made only one mistake in that time- at least, as far as you're aware. I guess that's pretty good.
I've been on these boards for a bit longer than 3 days and I'm well aware of the positive actions eBay has taken in response to reports from this board. Perhaps you've missed those threads or believe they were handled by different groups?
Maybe it read wrong but I was actually defending the slab as legit.
If that coin wasn't toned it would be in the 5 for a dollar bin at the coin shop . No one would AT it and try to get it slabbed , whoever slabbed it thought it was pretty and knew they were going to be buried and didn't mind because they liked it.
I collect old circulated coins most of them are beat and scratched up and the only toning is black. Actually, some of them are green too, but not in a good way.
I've had about enough fun.
But I ain't leavin' til someone asks me to stay!
<< <i>I've been on these boards for a bit longer than 3 days >>
I didn't say you've only been on these boards for three days. I said you claimed you've only known of the eBay group for three days. For somebody who repeatedly chides others for not reading your posts, I'd have expected better.