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Scary fake coin in real NGC holder

Link to eBay.

Interesting that the seller notes the holder damage, I'm guessing he doesn't know. I sent him a message, we'll see what he says.

-Paul
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I don't think that coin is going to fool anyone other than an absolute novice, especially when parked in an obviously tampered-with holder.
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks like the rare Clinton cent. Or the Leno cent.
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    That's about the most pathetic fake I've ever seen!
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    stealerstealer Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭✭
    At first I was worried the OP meant NGC got tricked by the fake...
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    coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    Seller should be ashamed.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lincoln has Vulcan ears!
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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Seller should be ashamed. >>



    and banned from Ebay.
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    Here's the real coin
    Link
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    kind of stunning anyone could miss one this bad, especially for a seller that has sold coins in the past

    link to proper coin with that cert, you must log in to ngc

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    <--- look what's behind the mask! - cool link 1/NO ~ 2/NNP ~ 3/NNC ~ 4/CF ~ 5/PG ~ 6/Cert ~ 7/NGC 7a/NGC pop~ 8/NGCF ~ 9/HA archives ~ 10/PM ~ 11/NM ~ 12/ANACS cert ~ 13/ANACS pop - report fakes 1/ACEF ~ report fakes/thefts 1/NCIS - Numi-Classes SS ~ Bass ~ Transcribed Docs NNP - clashed coins - error training - V V mm styles -

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reported.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My favorite part is the line directly after the pictures "please contact us prior to leaving negative feedback, so we can try to resolve any issues. Had this problem before I guess.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Reported. >>


    in this crowd too...image
    maybe oneday stuff like this will be traced and fraud charges brought forth
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


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    stealerstealer Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My favorite part is the line directly after the pictures "please contact us prior to leaving negative feedback, so we can try to resolve any issues. Had this problem before I guess. >>


    Just standard eBay description procedure. I'm surprised someone with so much feedback would sell something so blatantly fake.
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    << <i>My favorite part is the line directly after the pictures "please contact us prior to leaving negative feedback, so we can try to resolve any issues. Had this problem before I guess. >>



    Seems to have some serious negative feedback issues. But a "top rated" ebay seller.

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Link to eBay.

    Interesting that the seller notes the holder damage, I'm guessing he doesn't know. I sent him a message, we'll see what he says.

    -Paul >>



    Do you think it is possible that the seller does not suspect the problem? I doubt that.

    Tom

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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Mmmmmmm....all crusty and bubbly.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,839 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My favorite part is the line directly after the pictures "please contact us prior to leaving negative feedback, so we can try to resolve any issues. Had this problem before I guess. >>



    "Please contact us prior to leaving negative feedback..". ? I don't own an advertising agency, but this doesn't seem like the best way to build customer confidence before the sale is complete.
    A better approach might be something like :

    "Look here kids, this auction is for dummies. Hurry, buy this and I will leave you positive feedback ASAP".
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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    youll never know what youl find in out attic"


    yea, a bunch of fakes!!
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    So what happened to the real one?

    Don't buy the coin OR the holder in this case.
    Let's try not to get upset.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,419 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So what happened to the real one? >>



    The old one was probably resubmitted and slabbed.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sometimes (such as this) the fake is so obvious, you wonder if the seller is just a dumb crook, or simply trolling for suckers. Cheers, RickO
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    Amazing. How long will this one last?
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Amazing. How long will this one last? >>

    I've complained to the proper ebay managers in charge of coins about their tardiness taking down auctions on weekends. This seems to be another case.

    Disappointing. But I am sure it will be zapped by tomorrow, latest.
    Lance.
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    epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    That it has two bids is pretty scary. Yowza!
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    etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,795 ✭✭✭
    Two bids and $1100 at the present. Are you kidding me?

    I have owned three different 55 dd Lincolns and none of them looked like this coin.image


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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not sure why the word "scary" is used in the title of this thread. The word "laughable" would be more appropriate here since this fake is so bad. The word "scary" is usually reserved for fakes that are so good that they would fool most advanced collectors and most coin dealers. A coin like this would be of interest to mostly advanced collectors so it's unlikely anyone would buy it.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think that coin is going to fool anyone other than an absolute novice, especially when parked in an obviously tampered-with holder. >>

    I agree that this coin is an obvious fake and not a very good one at that but my question is, if the holder was tampered with in any way why does the tamper resistant hologram on the back still show that it is intact? I thought that was the whole point of having these holograms fused to the holders, that once it was messed with that the person could tell that it was tampered with.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen that counterfeit 1955 doubled die before on the web only then it was full red. This one has a coat of AT plus a little corrosion to give it "authenticity." image

    But you know that this is on the level because this guy is an "Ebay top rated seller." image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>if the holder was tampered with in any way why does the tamper resistant hologram on the back still show that it is intact? I thought that was the whole point of having these holograms fused to the holders, that once it was messed with that the person could tell that it was tampered with. >>



    The entire slab is cracked at the side seam; why would you think this would impact the hologram on the back in any way?
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    coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    I hope to heck at least one of the bidders is a member here putting in a nuclear bid on a throwaway account in order to protect the unwary from this scammer.

    There is no way that a seller with that large amount of feedback could NOT know what this is... unless it was an employee that did the listing. Even still, it's the owner's responsibility and inexcusable.
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Don't think that one's a fake, just a slightly damaged authentic example.

    peacockcoins

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm the high bidder. Join me, we can have fun before they nuke it!

    Mark Feld, are you listening?????


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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,481 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>^
    Don't think that one's a fake, just a slightly damaged authentic example. >>



    Shouldn't the bottom of the "N" in "ONE" on the reverse be weak? It's not on that one.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    anyone willing to spend a dollar on it should know at a glance that its fake. my question is for you guys bidding on it... what happens if you win it ?
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay, who else is bidding? I'll never get it at this rate!! Aaaaargh!

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    I am not convinced that the seller knows it is fake. To us, it clearly is, but there is no evidence that he knows it is.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There does not seem to be any way to contact him directly.

    Here is an example of what his item looked like before it got a layer of AT.

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    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    Up to $3500...how high will it go???
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have never won an item that I purposely bid up as they were all nuked before the end
    time. If I did win I would pay and then NEG and return and get my money back.

    Hmmm, come to think of it I did win one a few years ago and paid and Negged and returned
    and all was just great!

    Then a year or so before that I won on a fake Trade Dollar and Ebay said I could destroy it
    without returning as it was from China! That seller was pissed off! Negged and sent to
    Tom D for destruction (wink). Probably still sitting on his desk for to do later when I have time!

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I don't think that coin is going to fool anyone other than an absolute novice, especially when parked in an obviously tampered-with holder. >>

    I agree that this coin is an obvious fake and not a very good one at that but my question is, if the holder was tampered with in any way why does the tamper resistant hologram on the back still show that it is intact? I thought that was the whole point of having these holograms fused to the holders, that once it was messed with that the person could tell that it was tampered with. >>

    It's not difficult at all to split an NGC holder and put it back together with almost no evidence. The edges look a little rough but the sonic weld is always a little messy.

    Below is are a couple of recent examples.
    Lance.

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    << <i>Up to $3500...how high will it go??? >>



    I'd like to see it go over 100k.

    The fraudster needs to be taught a lesson. Ebay needs to ban them or have some sort of fraud alert tied to their account.
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    << <i>It is now at $6600 makes you wonder is high bidder a newby or someone "saving" the innocent. >>



    Don't be silly. It's not a newbie.
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    Gonna skin ya 10k to raise :0
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    $8400......you guys are fun!

    ......I collect old stuff......
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    And if the Seller pulls it, go off on him!

    That might even be better than Ebay pulling it.
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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An even $10K...and going.
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    reported
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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Geeezzz...

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