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Hilarious and kinda unbelievable letter from a seller on eBay regarding a coin I wish to return...

keep in mind, this person has over 2,000 positive feedback and no negs...100%. How would you all handle this feedback. lol.

Seller: "Wow that coin is in a ngc holder you paid less than tha asking price. The pictures are fair.you know you have a no question refund because of e-bays one sided policy's and i can'teven leave you proper feedback.i wish buyers like you would stay st wal-mart where you belong."

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  • Why the return ? It would depend on why i was returning it as to how id take the comment.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    have to see auction and all communications to and from
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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    coin in hand was much darker than pics...he juiced the light a bit when taking the pics. In any event, he is not out anything and I am out two way postage so why does he care if I return it? lol...the overblown reaction is what cracks me up.
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  • Totally agree Ms M , it occurs to me it's not conducive to keeping 100% feedback sending messages to buyers like that.Im wondering what it would take to commit seller hari kari like that , the seller knew the minute he hit the send button he was getting negged , what got him there.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Had he been cheerful about accepting the return and offer to be prompt with the refund you would have considered a neutral or positive feedback, I assume?
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    .
    first 2 questions that pop in my mind are

    are you really returning an item you got a good deal on

    and

    is the seller really attempting to convince you to not return an item they feel sold too cheap?

    sounds like a dream scenario from the seller's point of view.

    although if you waited 3 months i could see their surprise, if not, i'm confused as well
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    post your initial message, maybe you said something to piss the seller off???
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  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    was it within the sellers return guidelines ? i know first hand how annoying it can be when a coin is returned for a seemingly "trivial" reason, i would explain why you wish to return the coin... and i would leave out the part where you accuse the seller of "juicing the lighting" when taking pics. some sellers may find that a bit offensive
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    My one and only note to seller, "Dear xxxxxxxx, Hello, I received the item promptly and with good packaging, thanks. However, the coin is much darker than I hoped so I will be returning for a refund. Please advise? Thanks, Doug- ishopcoinshows4you

    I doubt I will neg him, as I know everyone can have a bad day. Plus, he/she doesn't know me at all, so why should I take offense to a personal jab. The item in question is an NGC Walking Liberty Half in MS65 - toned...for those of you who would like to see the auction, you know the drill.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just return the coin, leave no feedback, and move on.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lets see the link already.
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We know there's always two sides for every story.

    I'd love to see the Ebay pic and your 'true color' pic.

    It may enlighten us a little.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    Leave a Neg and mention that you receive better service at Walmart
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    link?
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Walmart sells coins image
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  • GManGMan Posts: 790 ✭✭


    << <i>Leave a Neg and mention that you receive better service at Walmart >>



    imageimage

    Seller probably was having a bad day, but his comment was still uncalled for.
    GMan
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with eBay. What choice have I ?
  • "This venue (ebay) is not an approval service. "

    Can we really say that anymore without flinching ? More and more that's exactly what it is and ebay want it that way.s far back as 2008 ebay said they intended to be the next amazon and were heading in that direction. Look at it now and tell me is it more like amazon or more like the ebay we all knew and loved ?
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,137 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>coin in hand was much darker than pics...he juiced the light a bit when taking the pics. In any event, he is not out anything and I am out two way postage so why does he care if I return it? lol...the overblown reaction is what cracks me up. >>



    Not so, your s&h, not your return s&h though, will also be refunded. eBay's buyers protection policy.
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seller probably just dealt with ten bad buyers in a row. I would not read too much into it.........
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,234 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Leave a Neg and mention that you receive better service at Walmart >>



    WalMart will take returns even on clearance merchandise. A former acquaintance once told me he saw F. Lee Bailey at a WalMart store.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're correct James. There is much I want to expound on, but will not. The seller screwed up lambasting his buyer. I admit that.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,234 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Frankly, I thought it was funny; I'd laugh it off and move on. Who hasn't had burnt toast fer breakfast at times?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • PoppeePoppee Posts: 154 ✭✭


    << <i>and i would leave out the part where you accuse the seller of "juicing the lighting" when taking pics. some sellers may find that a bit offensive >>



    And some buyers too, obviously. image
  • mingotmingot Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>and i would leave out the part where you accuse the seller of "juicing the lighting" when taking pics. some sellers may find that a bit offensive >>



    And some buyers too, obviously. image >>



    the nerve of some buyers!
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just return the coin, leave no feedback, and move on. >>



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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Just return the coin, leave no feedback, and move on. >>



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    I agree, but if he gives you any more lip, give him a one way ticket to Neg City. image
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like others have said, I will reserve judgement until seeing the auction in question as well (would also help to see a picture of the coin as YOU believe it looks since you say it is darker).
    Also curious if you are buying this for your own collection and plan to hold for awhile, or if you are buying in order to sell pretty soon.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I want to ask if I am "Juicing" all my images as I use 750 watts of halogen light and some guy might be looking at it with a 60 watt desk lamp?

    I for one kind of think the seller was just voicing what most feel is the stacked deck against us when selling on eBay. Would you even think about returning the coin if it had been a Heritage or TeleTrade auction?

    Edit to add...Even though I might agree with him I would never come right out and say it on eBay. image

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,773 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Just return the coin, leave no feedback, and move on. >>



    image >>


    I agree, but if he gives you any more lip, give him a one way ticket to Neg City. image >>



    Now that's funny.image

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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    I didn't know seller pays for shipping on returns now per eBay policy. I would feel bad about that if the coin pictured looked remotely as nice as the coin in hand. But, it doesn't and being a vest pocket seller myself, I understand that $6 in lost shipping isn't too high of a business cost.

    I usually sell at no min and no reserve (90% of the time anyway), lose money plenty of times on transactions, so I am not being a hypocrite on this subject anyway. lol.

    In retrospect, "juiced" is a poor choice of words on my part, as it implies deception. I don't think that, rather I think he was showing the coin with some help with contrast, white light, etc., if that makes sense.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My one and only note to seller, "Dear xxxxxxxx, Hello, I received the item promptly and with good packaging, thanks. However, the coin is much darker than I hoped so I will be returning for a refund. Please advise? Thanks, Doug- ishopcoinshows4you

    I doubt I will neg him, as I know everyone can have a bad day. Plus, he/she doesn't know me at all, so why should I take offense to a personal jab. The item in question is an NGC Walking Liberty Half in MS65 - toned...for those of you who would like to see the auction, you know the drill. >>




    this one?
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  • Cant be ? That seller hasnt got over 2000 feedback
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>My one and only note to seller, "Dear xxxxxxxx, Hello, I received the item promptly and with good packaging, thanks. However, the coin is much darker than I hoped so I will be returning for a refund. Please advise? Thanks, Doug- ishopcoinshows4you

    I doubt I will neg him, as I know everyone can have a bad day. Plus, he/she doesn't know me at all, so why should I take offense to a personal jab. The item in question is an NGC Walking Liberty Half in MS65 - toned...for those of you who would like to see the auction, you know the drill. >>




    this one? >>



    If that is the coin in question, then it is obviously a dark coin that needs a lot of light correctly shown to show the colors

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,110 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just return the coin, leave no feedback, and move on. >>

    image its not worth the agrevation


  • << <i>Just return the coin, leave no feedback, and move on. >>



    +1


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    << <i>

    << <i>My one and only note to seller, "Dear xxxxxxxx, Hello, I received the item promptly and with good packaging, thanks. However, the coin is much darker than I hoped so I will be returning for a refund. Please advise? Thanks, Doug- ishopcoinshows4you

    I doubt I will neg him, as I know everyone can have a bad day. Plus, he/she doesn't know me at all, so why should I take offense to a personal jab. The item in question is an NGC Walking Liberty Half in MS65 - toned...for those of you who would like to see the auction, you know the drill. >>




    this one? >>



    If that is the coin in question, then it is obviously a dark coin that needs a lot of light correctly shown to show the colors >>




    If the linked coin is the coin in question, I wouldn't have bid in the first place.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow that coin is in a ngc holder you paid less than tha asking price. The pictures are fair.you know you have a no question refund because of e-bays one sided policy's and i can'teven leave you proper feedback.i wish buyers like you would stay at wal-mart where you belong."

    That the problem.

    1. Wrong holder
    2. Only "fair" photographs
    3. A seller's asking price is irrelevant with respect to a coin's actual quality and value.
    4. If all this guy's customers stayed at WalMart, he'd have no business.
    5. But you CAN leave them "proper" feedback. I'd be tempted to include their quote from above. Nothing beats the truth.

    Amazing they got to 2000 w/o any negs with an attitude like that.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm sorry but if a seller sent me a message like that it almost seems like he wants to get a neg on his feedback for being a jerk....But that's just me.....
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Without seeing the coin in hand it's hard to take sides on this one.

    The comment about Walmart was a bit snippy. I happen to enjoy going to Walmart, but some people think that people who go to Walmart have no class. image I love trolling their their $5 movie bin. I think Walmart might have sold some of those plaques with polished polished coins in them at one time. At least I Costco did until they found out people didn't buy that junk.

    At any rate I brighten pictures now and then when I think that it provides a better view of the coin.
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  • I need no background at all to comment that the seller's reply is non-professional.

    Now that I've looked into the background I'm surprised he stuck with it long enough to get so much feedback and am also surprised I see no negs.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bottom line is don't whine and/or rationalize why a deal was so great if you offer a return policy and a buyer wants to return a coin.


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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    Yes, that is the proper link. I see that his feedback is 1500+ and not 2000+...my mistake, sorry.

    I know the pics weren't great but sometimes I will buy a coin if I think I can see a better coin than the pics show. For the record, I rarely return coins I take a chance on.

    But I thought I would return this one since it is SO dark in hand and I don't think I could come close to breaking even with great pics and relisting. When I got his response to my cordial request to return the coin, that's when I thought I would share his funny response.

    Doug
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's nice to see the system protect the buyer. And it's nice to know I can return items I can't make a profit on.

    It doesn't seem professional, but I guess this is the way business is moving.
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>It's nice to see the system protect the buyer. And it's nice to know I can return items I can't make a profit on.

    It doesn't seem professional, but I guess this is the way business is moving. >>



    Well, I agree with you to a degree, and I guess to my own detriment. In this case though, the pics were much darker than the coin in hand. If I had bought it at a show or shop, having the chance to hold it in hand, then I deserve a buyer's remorse fee should I decide to return the coin. I hope that is a justifiable distinction.
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  • At least he honored his return policy, some others don't. Ya know what I am saying? He could have said he had a minor financial hiccup and his word is not longer good. Don't ya just hate that?
  • I have to agree with the seller here ( and I never agree with the seller ).

    Looks like a clear case of buyers remorse. The pics on the auction look quite dark to me, I cant imagine that the coin could have been even darker, or that it would matter. The dealers pics look like they show the coin to be dark, not like he was trying to falsify anything about the coin.

    Also the OP has been asked several times to post the pic of the coin as it is, and he completely ignored those requests. Just seems like he bought the coin then decided he didnt want it.
  • Or couldnt flip it is how i read the latest.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I appreciate your input and respect you for sharing your experience. I hope I did not offend. Just trying to see this from every angle, be it buyer/ seller/ auctioneer/consignee to auction house/ etc., only to ensure that the person who is not represented here has a reasonable understanding of why certain items may be returned, in the event he / she or they are reading. image

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