* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold". * at that point the Mantle will be "donated". * grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle. * grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere. >>
i get what your saying,, but me personally do not expect anything back when i donate to a worthy charity,,, this being said,, i expect a charity to give what it collects 100% of the time and me not be responsible for taking a chance on bailing out someone who probably,, well, maybe regrets buying the card to begin with,, you should have left the mantle out of the equation from the get go instead of dangling it in front of everyone. its like them damn African charities that state up front we will give 80% to this cause of starving children, but will not except a big box of condoms instead,, times like these i really love the red cross.
If you want 100% of what you donate to go to the victims I would find someone besides the Red Cross pal. You are right, I do regret offering the Mantle. I dont feel "stuck" with the card. I think its a bargain at $3k. Nevertheless, I cannot spend more time on this today. Either give or dont. Quit railing this into the ground. I am a good, honest person with a great rep. I dont like people trying to twist something good into something bad or negative. If you do not feel comfortable by all means.......do not give. As stated several times......I am willing to donate the Mantle as well considering what some good people that do not know may think now because of this mud slinging. I think nightcrawler got just what he wanted. Great job guys. For the ones who donated.....thank you very much. I will personally update where everything goes when I can.
It probably would have been better to number a 3x5 card 1 to 2000 and random generate the winning # for redemption, that way the winner would'nt have know until the end, vs the guy who gets it in pack 5 and everyone is shut out. also who gets the $17000 tax deduction ?
<< <i>If you want 100% of what you donate to go to the victims I would find someone besides the Red Cross pal. You are right, I do regret offering the Mantle. I dont feel "stuck" with the card. I think its a bargain at $3k. Nevertheless, I cannot spend more time on this today. Either give or dont. Quit railing this into the ground. I am a good, honest person with a great rep. I dont like people trying to twist something good into something bad or negative. If you do not feel comfortable by all means.......do not give. As stated several times......I am willing to donate the Mantle as well considering what some good people that do not know may think now because of this mud slinging. I think nightcrawler got just what he wanted. Great job guys. For the ones who donated.....thank you very much. I will personally update where everything goes when I can.
Thanks Jason >>
im really happy for you Jason, believe me, but you keep digging yourself in deeper,,, you have 2000 of these made up already,, thats great,, but what happens if you dont sell all 2000 and no one gets the package with the mantle in it,,,, i'll stop ragging on you at this point,,, just within the next 15 minute go snap a picture of these packages , post the picture and that my friend will increase your donations,, i hope, but by saying "i think its a bargain at $3k" is still making it look like your selling still.
* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold". * at that point the Mantle will be "donated". * grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle. * grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere. >>
Yep, you missed something. The grab bags each will have a 1 in 3 chance of containing a 1987 Topps Pete Incaviglia.
I agree.......I am sure this could have been handled better. I had never done one and knew I had stuff I could donate to help. I had the Mantle I no longer needed since I sold my set. I am sure there coulde have been a better way to do this.
bigJohn
Photos were all posted on the net54 original forum. Go see photos there. I will try to attach but if they dont show go look over there.
I tried I cant get them over here. Leon posted them for me in the original first post over there. If someone can give me a tutorial how to attach here I would be glad to do it.
* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold". * at that point the Mantle will be "donated". * grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle. * grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere. >>
Yep, you missed something. The grab bags each will have a 1 in 3 chance of containing a 1987 Topps Pete Incaviglia.
Suck on that biyatches. >>
And dont forget the Jay Payton Best autographs with a slight chance of actually getting a 52 Mantle!! (yeah.....right!!!!)
Jason really hasn’t done anything horrible here. Yes, he screwed up his presentation of the deal by not disclosing his intention of reimbursing himself. You’re all right, that’s not cool. But, reality is, it costs money to raise money. If you donated $100 to the Red Cross do you really think all 100 of those dollars are going straight to the victims? No, they’re not. The Red Cross has to pay for the services and programs they offer. There’s a good portion of your donation going to salaries for Red Cross employees. Non profit means, after everyone is paid, there’s no profit. I would guess that 85% ($17K from $20K) of a cash donation going directly to victims is generous compared to other charities.
Again, I’m not saying Jason is right, he should have disclosed his plans for reimbursement from the start but he’s now owned up to his mistake, agreed to waive the reimbursement and donate 100% of the funds. I’ve followed this thread from the start and I don’t think Jason was taking advantage of the disaster; he’s trying to do a good thing and help out his home town.
Regardless of Jason getting reimbursed he was (and still is) willing to give away a handful of cards and packs to each person participating and volunteer his time to put all this together. That IS cool and for that, I’m more than happy to contribute. The ones complaining about what they’re getting in return are shallower than Jason. If you don’t like the odds of winning the Mantle or the auto’s or the packs of ’87 Topps he’s offering up and you feel you’re owed more than that just so you can donate some money to people in need, then don’t donate.
<< <i>I do not understand all the negative press this is getting. If you want your money back I will be more than happy to send it back, >>
I want my money back and emailed you (where I sent my paypal donation) >>
Same here, simply send my $100 back through paypal as a gift like I did to you. This is simple and easy. Its now 6:13pm eastern.
Here's my paypal info. Miconelegacy@gmail.com. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes. You can also download the paypal app for free. Let's see how you honor this request.
Edit: and sorry for bumping this thread in the beginning, and trying to encourage others to join in. The Cool Aid doesn't taste very good.
This got too weird, and statements made seem shady. If it's legit that's great, but your responses, and use of words just like 5 years ago are quite disturbing and I can't be part of it. I don't need the packs, just my money....
Thanks for your attention to this. Nothing yet from paypal. 6:30pm.
I just got back from my kid's art show at school. I am willing to send the $100 back no problem. Email me your paypal address privately. I cannot keep your packs for they were already packaged and loaded for PO. Enjoy the cards anyway or auction them on eBay. Not selling cool aid here and as for 5 years ago......you have a buyer take 5 weeks to pay and ignore emails and tell me what you would do sir? Would you not relist and file non paying bidder? Feel free to contact me privately anytime.
Robert
Thanks so much for the encouragement. This was meant to help people not turn into mudslinging......... how sad. I am highly disappointed in some people on here. I just returned here at 5:55 CST and wait the response privately from Michael.
MICHAEL
REFUND SENT 6:05 CST
Keep up the good press here. Seems like most are not seeing through the garbage and this thread have spawned some new donations. I WANT TO EXPRESS TO THE ONES GIVING THROUGH THIS THAT THEY ARE DOING A GREAT THING AND I WILL POST YOU ON HOW IT GETS SPENT.
I just got back from my kid's art show at school. Sad considering you know me as a customer on ebay. I am willing to send the $100 back no problem. Email me your paypal address privately. I cannot keep your packs for they were already packaged and loaded for PO. Enjoy the cards anyway or auction them on eBay. Not selling cool aid here and as for 5 years ago......you have a buyer take 5 weeks to pay and ignore emails and tell me what you would do sir? Would you not relist and file non paying bidder? Feel free to contact me privately anytime.
Robert
Thanks so much for the encouragement. This was meant to help people not turn into mudslinging......... how sad. I am highly disappointed in some people on here. I just returned here at 5:55 CST and wait the response privately from Probstein.
MICHAEL
REFUND SENT 6:05 CST
Thanks Jason >>
JASON ... That is NOT Probstein!!!!!
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
I will donate that, money from the packs, as well as 5% of my 2 cut Auto's starting tonight and ending in 10 days. I hope they sell for 5-8k. So that will be another $250-$400.
I'll even Jason if you want to post here a great foundation or charity that will impact the folks locally. I will donate the funds and post it here. I have been touched ever since I heard about the victims, especially that one story. So I want to help, and will. Just a bunch of confusion etc past and present with this thread. I'm pretty sure you mean well, and think you'll do great things with the money, I just really need to feel confident with the donation.
Thanks again and good luck!
Edit: Also just the publicity from this thread should generate even more donations to charities and foundations down there. That's a great thing either way. Whether the money goes your way or somewhere else, the folks down there are getting support. That's all that matters. Not the cards, not the Mantle, not this thread...
I appreciate that and I meant no deceptive info regarding the deal. Again I just wanted to offer a big type of card to buzz up alot of interest fast. I hope everyone can put this to rest and give however they wish. Again if we hit the mark the Mantle will be given up and 100% of the funds will be used to help victims that truly need it down there.
Edited to state that I can even find a local charity or group down there funds can be sent to if that eases everyone's mind. I just did it this way to avoid programs that will use some of the funding for workers. Plus I thought pay pal would be easy way and faster for everyone to pay.
Jason I still think you have raised money, and awareness. That's a great thing.
Reading through that nightmare thread back 5 years ago, and how this one went. I think presentation and words are so important. 5 years ago everyone was on your side, but you used offensive words, then it went south.
Here you didn't disclose the Mantle right IMO and others. Do I think your a scam artist, no! It's just people have been badly burnt here, and when things seem a little fishy, you don't dig in and eat.
At this point, posting a few charities(local) might be a good idea....
Also maybe auctioning off the Mantle and using a percentage your comfortable with, make a donation. I think at this point getting 2,000 packs sold, even a 1,000 isn't going to happen.
So let's regroup, and if you can post a few links to good charities that would be very helpful.
Doesn't the mantle have a history on this board from a few years ago? Also the biggest scam of the entire ordeal will be IF the donation organizer writes the donation off on their taxes.
<< <i>Jason really hasn’t done anything horrible here. Yes, he screwed up his presentation of the deal by not disclosing his intention of reimbursing himself. You’re all right, that’s not cool. But, reality is, it costs money to raise money. If you donated $100 to the Red Cross do you really think all 100 of those dollars are going straight to the victims? No, they’re not. The Red Cross has to pay for the services and programs they offer. There’s a good portion of your donation going to salaries for Red Cross employees. Non profit means, after everyone is paid, there’s no profit. I would guess that 85% ($17K from $20K) of a cash donation going directly to victims is generous compared to other charities.
Again, I’m not saying Jason is right, he should have disclosed his plans for reimbursement from the start but he’s now owned up to his mistake, agreed to waive the reimbursement and donate 100% of the funds. I’ve followed this thread from the start and I don’t think Jason was taking advantage of the disaster; he’s trying to do a good thing and help out his home town.
Regardless of Jason getting reimbursed he was (and still is) willing to give away a handful of cards and packs to each person participating and volunteer his time to put all this together. That IS cool and for that, I’m more than happy to contribute. The ones complaining about what they’re getting in return are shallower than Jason. If you don’t like the odds of winning the Mantle or the auto’s or the packs of ’87 Topps he’s offering up and you feel you’re owed more than that just so you can donate some money to people in need, then don’t donate.
Good luck Jason. Keep us posted.
Robert >>
The difference is the Red Cross has transparency and discloses up front what percentage is going to salaries and expenses as opposed to this poster who we have no clue as to where the money is actually going and to what percentage. I can go to the Red Cross web site and find out where my money went but when we ask this poster where he is planning on spending the money we get vague ideas and, in some cases, responses filled with attitude.
<< <i>Doesn't the mantle have a history on this board from a few years ago? Also the biggest scam of the entire ordeal will be IF the donation organizer writes the donation off on their taxes. >>
A small county in northest Alabama called Dekalb County was hit by a EF5 tornado on April 27 2011. This tornado killed 35 within minutes. The storm struck at a little after 6pm. Earlier that day two other long track EF5s and many EF4s had ravaged other parts of North Alabama taking down all major power lines. The entire nothern part of the state was in a blackout
For many of the departed that day, the only warning was either a siren or the roar of the oncoming storm. After the storms left, so many houses were completely blown away, the water pump house was unable to maintain a prime. It was days before water was available. Most were without power for at least seven days.
I was standing about two hundred yards from where this was filmed. I filmed it on my cell phone, but this footage is much better. As soon as the three funnels combined into one, it quickly gained into a monster.
I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
I'll be as brief as possible here and do not intend to tell anyone how to donate their money, however there are some facts that all should know.
Since 1996 I have made a living as a professional emergency manager. I worked my way up from the local level and now am employed by a Federal agency. As I write this I am in Kentucky, arriving last Saturday just following the tornadoes. I spend 7-11 months every year traveling around the country from one disaster to another, working planning and operations. Believe me, I know this stuff from front to back. I have worked in every aspect and in my present capacity must have a high level of knowledge. Let's just say that I work on a command staff for the Federal official designated to run the operation and oversee the expenditure of millions and occasionally billions of dollars.
At one point in my career I worked for a well recognized non profit that specializes in disaster relief. They and the others most recognized make as much out of your money as they can. Yes they have admin costs. Yes they pay some people, but the large majority of those people make much less than market value and work long hours. 85 to 90% percent of your money goes to direct services. Most of these agencies have 40 volunteers for every 1 paid staffer, no lie.
Also, after a large disaster in a local community a coalition of local non profits is usually formed called a Long Term Recovery Committee. This can be coordinated by the local United Way or another recognized established non profit. All of the local groups band together, pool their resources, perform casework after talking to families and find ways to piece together the money needed to help a family breach the gap between assistance already received, insurance, and the families finances.
So, if you want to make a donation to a major non profit, designate your donation. They do not like you to do this, but tell them what you want it to go to. Write it on your check if you pay that way.
Or, wait to see about the Long Term Recovery Committee in that area and donate the money to them. Your money stays local and you get to see how it helps.
You make the choice. Personally I have seen too many well meaning solo or small efforts wind up in disarray because these people knew nothing about the process. It happens every time. Collect donations, but leave the distribution of the money to the experts.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand, but since it's my favorite scene from Monty Python's "The Holy Grail", here goes:
Arthur: I am your king! Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you. Arthur: You don't vote for kings. Woman: Well, 'ow did you become king then? Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king! Dennis: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. Arthur: Be quiet! Dennis: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! Arthur: Shut up! Dennis: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away! Arthur: Shut up! Will you shut up! Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. Arthur: Shut up! Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed! Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you?
<< <i>Doesn't the mantle have a history on this board from a few years ago? >>
Yes, that was my Mantle at one time. Actually, this Mantle is how Jason and I met. I found out about the Mantle and wanted to get it authenticate at PSA. Long story short, I bought it from Jason for $3,000 and promised me that if it did not get authenticated that he would give me my money back. PSA didn't feel comfortable slabbing it due to the amount of altering. So, Jason gave me my money back just as he promised. Like I have said before, he is trustworthy. I know for a fact because of deals we have made ever since then.
As for this thread, wow. I never dreamed it would all come to this. Jason and I talked this afternoon. Just to be clear, even I misunderstood some of the details. Jason and I agreed on the phone that the details should have been more clear from the outset.
I am kind of caught in the middle of this. I can see how people have misunderstood and now want to back out. At the same time, I know Jason and know he is trying to do a good thing. Hopefully there are no hard feelings and we can just move on. As you can see from Mike's post - he did get his money back. That is a start right there. Plus, Jason told me that he is going to ship out the grab bags within the next day or two. I would encourage those that get the grab bags to check in to say that you got them. That would help with the issue of legitimacy.
asking that the donations go directly to his construction company "Iakona Inc." because "proceeds will come from that account to help" is totally legit sounding too. not to mention bashing the Red Cross?? let's not give this guy too much credit for 'spreading awareness' through his tax break.
+100000 to SoFlPhillyFan - I couldn't agree more. I've worked with people on the international side, and the same holds true there.
either way, rintageinvestmonts is going to be so psyched to see that business card. fired up!
<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night. >>
SNL Celebrity Jeopardy >>
sir, you are correct. You already had my respect. I'll have to consider the cuppage. I usually reserve that for Probstein. >>
Hey, where is my cuppage??? Oh I forgot, I did get me some Swank. >>
my sincere apologies, Mike - I missed your Swank reference. For your diligence, you shall receive cuppage. Please proceed to the head of the line. Mr. Probstein, kindly step back.
<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night. >>
SNL Celebrity Jeopardy >>
sir, you are correct. You already had my respect. I'll have to consider the cuppage. I usually reserve that for Probstein. >>
Hey, where is my cuppage??? Oh I forgot, I did get me some Swank. >>
my sincere apologies, Mike - I missed your Swank reference. For your diligence, you shall receive cuppage. Please proceed to the head of the line. Mr. Probstein, kindly step back. >>
Yes!!!!!
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Nobody is receiving tax breaks anywhere for this. Assume what you may but your longing to stir the pot is obvious. You are making judgments that you know nothing about. Also I never bashed the Red Cross. I would be willing to assume someone like you would never participate either way in the part of charity. Have fun trolling.
I have a hard time believing anyone would pay $3000 for that Mantle, so I'm thinking you're recouping more than just the cost of the Mantle. Going back to 2009 on VCP, 8 out of the 20 slabbed PSA Auth have sold for less than 3k, and another 5 sold for $3000-$4000. Why would anyone pay $3k for this unslabbed color-by-numbers version that PSA won't touch when they can buy one that's already slabbed for less or even slightly more?
Nobody is receiving tax breaks anywhere for this. Assume what you may but your longing to stir the pot is obvious. You are making judgments that you know nothing about. Also I never bashed the Red Cross. I would be willing to assume someone like you would never participate either way in the part of charity. Have fun trolling.
Jason >>
Jason,
I don't believe that this individual was trying to make up an accusation. By the way that you have been sneaky about some details and by the way that you have reacted to some posts, including the above quote, has given some the thought that you may be hiding other details as well. While I am usually optimistic, I have not been optimistic about your donation ideas.
Just the way that you feel that it is possible that some may be able to misread your first post and get the wrong idea is ridiculous. There is no way thatt anybody can read your net54 post and get anything out of it other than that you were going to donate the Mantle. There is no way that anyone can read that post and come to the conclusion that you intended to take some of the donated proceeds as compensation for the Mantle.
Like others have expressed, I, too, thought about getting in just because you were being so generous. Once it was revealed that you weren't being completely transparent, then I, along with others, began to doubt your every move.
<< <i>I have a hard time believing anyone would pay $3000 for that Mantle, so I'm thinking you're recouping more than just the cost of the Mantle. Going back to 2009 on VCP, 8 out of the 20 slabbed PSA Auth have sold for less than 3k, and another 5 sold for $3000-$4000. Why would anyone pay $3k for this unslabbed color-by-numbers version that PSA won't touch when they can buy one that's already slabbed for less or even slightly more? >>
hes not selling it CD,,, he just getting a refund for it at your expense, the money isnt for the mantle its for charity,, pretty smart i think
<< <i>I have a hard time believing anyone would pay $3000 for that Mantle, so I'm thinking you're recouping more than just the cost of the Mantle. Going back to 2009 on VCP, 8 out of the 20 slabbed PSA Auth have sold for less than 3k, and another 5 sold for $3000-$4000. Why would anyone pay $3k for this unslabbed color-by-numbers version that PSA won't touch when they can buy one that's already slabbed for less or even slightly more? >>
hes not selling it CD,,, he just getting a refund for it at your expense, the money isnt for the mantle its for charity,, pretty smart i think >>
I think that CD is suggesting that Jason may be trying to get more for it out of the auction than what he initially paid. Or, even if he did pay $3K, he knows he overpaid, and is trying to recoup his costs by "breaking even".
<< <i>I have a hard time believing anyone would pay $3000 for that Mantle, so I'm thinking you're recouping more than just the cost of the Mantle. Going back to 2009 on VCP, 8 out of the 20 slabbed PSA Auth have sold for less than 3k, and another 5 sold for $3000-$4000. Why would anyone pay $3k for this unslabbed color-by-numbers version that PSA won't touch when they can buy one that's already slabbed for less or even slightly more? >>
hes not selling it CD,,, he just getting a refund for it at your expense, the money isnt for the mantle its for charity,, pretty smart i think >>
I think that CD is suggesting that Jason may be trying to get more for it out of the auction than what he initially paid. Or, even if he did pay $3K, he knows he overpaid, and is trying to recoup his costs by "breaking even". >>
ding ding ding,,, lololol, i was being sarcastic,, i know what hes doing,,, real or not that mantle looks like crap,, and if you read his post later on it doesnt even look like hes going to give it out any more but is going to sell it and donate part of the proceeds to his charity,, yea,,hes very adimate about getting his money back for that recolored ungradible card,, and what still amazes me hes still looking like a saint to most guys on here for having his head in the right place because hes put this sham behind the "charity" clause,, boggles my mind you guys are drinking the Kool-aid
<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
Thanks Jason >>
>>
I'll have defend Jason on this one. The initial idea was to put the Mantle in the mix if he got up to $20K in donations. In the above quote, he is saying that even if he doesn't hit the mark of $20K, he still may sell the Mantle and give part of the proceeds to charity.
I do believe that Jason is trying to do good here, but I also believe that he may have set this up in a way to take some advantage for himself.
<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
Thanks Jason >>
>>
I'll have defend Jason on this one. The initial idea was to put the Mantle in the mix if he got up to $20K in donations. In the above quote, he is saying that even if he doesn't hit the mark of $20K, he still may sell the Mantle and give part of the proceeds to charity.
I do believe that Jason is trying to do good here, but I also believe that he may have set this up in a way to take some advantage for himself. >>
your kinda controdicting your earlier post,,, look this has gone so wishy washy back and forth,, im going to skim off the top of the proceeds to get "fair market" price the rest goes to charity,,, to,,, im donating 100% to the charity,,,,,, to now its back to selling it and only giving part of the proceeds to his charity,,, if you reread his post you will see he still intends to get paid for that mantle one way or another,,,,
let me ask you,, the business card is supposed to be in one of these2000 packages,,, does that look like 2000 packages to you?
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<< <i>Just so I've got it straight
* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold".
* at that point the Mantle will be "donated".
* grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle.
* grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere. >>
i get what your saying,, but me personally do not expect anything back when i donate to a worthy charity,,, this being said,, i expect a charity to give what it collects 100% of the time and me not be responsible for taking a chance on bailing out someone who probably,, well, maybe regrets buying the card to begin with,, you should have left the mantle out of the equation from the get go instead of dangling it in front of everyone. its like them damn African charities that state up front we will give 80% to this cause of starving children, but will not except a big box of condoms instead,, times like these i really love the red cross.
Thanks
Jason
<< <i>If you want 100% of what you donate to go to the victims I would find someone besides the Red Cross pal. You are right, I do regret offering the Mantle. I dont feel "stuck" with the card. I think its a bargain at $3k. Nevertheless, I cannot spend more time on this today. Either give or dont. Quit railing this into the ground. I am a good, honest person with a great rep. I dont like people trying to twist something good into something bad or negative. If you do not feel comfortable by all means.......do not give. As stated several times......I am willing to donate the Mantle as well considering what some good people that do not know may think now because of this mud slinging. I think nightcrawler got just what he wanted. Great job guys. For the ones who donated.....thank you very much. I will personally update where everything goes when I can.
Thanks
Jason >>
im really happy for you Jason, believe me, but you keep digging yourself in deeper,,, you have 2000 of these made up already,, thats great,, but what happens if you dont sell all 2000 and no one gets the package with the mantle in it,,,, i'll stop ragging on you at this point,,, just within the next 15 minute go snap a picture of these packages , post the picture and that my friend will increase your donations,, i hope, but by saying "i think its a bargain at $3k" is still making it look like your selling still.
<< <i>Just so I've got it straight
* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold".
* at that point the Mantle will be "donated".
* grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle.
* grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere. >>
Yep, you missed something. The grab bags each will have a 1 in 3 chance of containing a 1987 Topps Pete Incaviglia.
Suck on that biyatches.
I agree.......I am sure this could have been handled better. I had never done one and knew I had stuff I could donate to help. I had the Mantle I no longer needed since I sold my set. I am sure there coulde have been a better way to do this.
bigJohn
Photos were all posted on the net54 original forum. Go see photos there. I will try to attach but if they dont show go look over there.
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I tried I cant get them over here. Leon posted them for me in the original first post over there. If someone can give me a tutorial how to attach here I would be glad to do it.
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* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold".
* at that point the Mantle will be "donated".
* grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle.
* grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere. >>
Yep, you missed something. The grab bags each will have a 1 in 3 chance of containing a 1987 Topps Pete Incaviglia.
Suck on that biyatches. >>
And dont forget the Jay Payton Best autographs with a slight chance of actually getting a 52 Mantle!! (yeah.....right!!!!)
Again, I’m not saying Jason is right, he should have disclosed his plans for reimbursement from the start but he’s now owned up to his mistake, agreed to waive the reimbursement and donate 100% of the funds. I’ve followed this thread from the start and I don’t think Jason was taking advantage of the disaster; he’s trying to do a good thing and help out his home town.
Regardless of Jason getting reimbursed he was (and still is) willing to give away a handful of cards and packs to each person participating and volunteer his time to put all this together. That IS cool and for that, I’m more than happy to contribute. The ones complaining about what they’re getting in return are shallower than Jason. If you don’t like the odds of winning the Mantle or the auto’s or the packs of ’87 Topps he’s offering up and you feel you’re owed more than that just so you can donate some money to people in need, then don’t donate.
Good luck Jason. Keep us posted.
Robert
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<< <i>I do not understand all the negative press this is getting. If you want your money back I will be more than happy to send it back, >>
I want my money back and emailed you (where I sent my paypal donation) >>
Same here, simply send my $100 back through paypal as a gift like I did to you. This is simple and easy. Its now 6:13pm eastern.
Here's my paypal info. Miconelegacy@gmail.com. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes. You can also download the paypal app for free. Let's see how you honor this request.
Edit: and sorry for bumping this thread in the beginning, and trying to encourage others to join in. The Cool Aid doesn't taste very good.
This got too weird, and statements made seem shady. If it's legit that's great, but your responses, and use of words just like 5 years ago are quite disturbing and I can't be part of it. I don't need the packs, just my money....
Thanks for your attention to this. Nothing yet from paypal. 6:30pm.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
I just got back from my kid's art show at school. I am willing to send the $100 back no problem. Email me your paypal address privately. I cannot keep your packs for they were already packaged and loaded for PO. Enjoy the cards anyway or auction them on eBay. Not selling cool aid here and as for 5 years ago......you have a buyer take 5 weeks to pay and ignore emails and tell me what you would do sir? Would you not relist and file non paying bidder? Feel free to contact me privately anytime.
Robert
Thanks so much for the encouragement. This was meant to help people not turn into mudslinging......... how sad. I am highly disappointed in some people on here. I just returned here at 5:55 CST and wait the response privately from Michael.
MICHAEL
REFUND SENT 6:05 CST
Keep up the good press here. Seems like most are not seeing through the garbage and this thread have spawned some new donations. I WANT TO EXPRESS TO THE ONES GIVING THROUGH THIS THAT THEY ARE DOING A GREAT THING AND I WILL POST YOU ON HOW IT GETS SPENT.
Thanks
Jason
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I just got back from my kid's art show at school. Sad considering you know me as a customer on ebay. I am willing to send the $100 back no problem. Email me your paypal address privately. I cannot keep your packs for they were already packaged and loaded for PO. Enjoy the cards anyway or auction them on eBay. Not selling cool aid here and as for 5 years ago......you have a buyer take 5 weeks to pay and ignore emails and tell me what you would do sir? Would you not relist and file non paying bidder? Feel free to contact me privately anytime.
Robert
Thanks so much for the encouragement. This was meant to help people not turn into mudslinging......... how sad. I am highly disappointed in some people on here. I just returned here at 5:55 CST and wait the response privately from Probstein.
MICHAEL
REFUND SENT 6:05 CST
Thanks
Jason >>
JASON ... That is NOT Probstein!!!!!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Thanks
Jason
NO ONE is getting a Mantle...
Kudos for NC in exposing this...
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I will donate that, money from the packs, as well as 5% of my 2 cut Auto's starting tonight and ending in 10 days. I hope they sell for 5-8k. So that will be another $250-$400.
I'll even Jason if you want to post here a great foundation or charity that will impact the folks locally. I will donate the funds and post it here. I have been touched ever since I heard about the victims, especially that one story. So I want to help, and will. Just a bunch of confusion etc past and present with this thread. I'm pretty sure you mean well, and think you'll do great things with the money, I just really need to feel confident with the donation.
Thanks again and good luck!
Edit: Also just the publicity from this thread should generate even more donations to charities and foundations down there. That's a great thing either way. Whether the money goes your way or somewhere else, the folks down there are getting support. That's all that matters. Not the cards, not the Mantle, not this thread...
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
Edited to state that I can even find a local charity or group down there funds can be sent to if that eases everyone's mind. I just did it this way to avoid programs that will use some of the funding for workers. Plus I thought pay pal would be easy way and faster for everyone to pay.
Regards
Jason
Reading through that nightmare thread back 5 years ago, and how this one went. I think presentation and words are so important. 5 years ago everyone was on your side, but you used offensive words, then it went south.
Here you didn't disclose the Mantle right IMO and others. Do I think your a scam artist, no! It's just people have been badly burnt here, and when things seem a little fishy, you don't dig in and eat.
At this point, posting a few charities(local) might be a good idea....
Also maybe auctioning off the Mantle and using a percentage your comfortable with, make a donation. I think at this point getting 2,000 packs sold, even a 1,000 isn't going to happen.
So let's regroup, and if you can post a few links to good charities that would be very helpful.
Thanks.
Mike
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Jason really hasn’t done anything horrible here. Yes, he screwed up his presentation of the deal by not disclosing his intention of reimbursing himself. You’re all right, that’s not cool. But, reality is, it costs money to raise money. If you donated $100 to the Red Cross do you really think all 100 of those dollars are going straight to the victims? No, they’re not. The Red Cross has to pay for the services and programs they offer. There’s a good portion of your donation going to salaries for Red Cross employees. Non profit means, after everyone is paid, there’s no profit. I would guess that 85% ($17K from $20K) of a cash donation going directly to victims is generous compared to other charities.
Again, I’m not saying Jason is right, he should have disclosed his plans for reimbursement from the start but he’s now owned up to his mistake, agreed to waive the reimbursement and donate 100% of the funds. I’ve followed this thread from the start and I don’t think Jason was taking advantage of the disaster; he’s trying to do a good thing and help out his home town.
Regardless of Jason getting reimbursed he was (and still is) willing to give away a handful of cards and packs to each person participating and volunteer his time to put all this together. That IS cool and for that, I’m more than happy to contribute. The ones complaining about what they’re getting in return are shallower than Jason. If you don’t like the odds of winning the Mantle or the auto’s or the packs of ’87 Topps he’s offering up and you feel you’re owed more than that just so you can donate some money to people in need, then don’t donate.
Good luck Jason. Keep us posted.
Robert >>
The difference is the Red Cross has transparency and discloses up front what percentage is going to salaries and expenses as opposed to this poster who we have no clue as to where the money is actually going and to what percentage. I can go to the Red Cross web site and find out where my money went but when we ask this poster where he is planning on spending the money we get vague ideas and, in some cases, responses filled with attitude.
<< <i>Doesn't the mantle have a history on this board from a few years ago? Also the biggest scam of the entire ordeal will be IF the donation organizer writes the donation off on their taxes. >>
Yes, it was frankhardy's
For many of the departed that day, the only warning was either a siren or the roar of the oncoming storm. After the storms left, so many houses were completely blown away, the water pump house was unable to maintain a prime. It was days before water was available. Most were without power for at least seven days.
Rainsville Tornado
I was standing about two hundred yards from where this was filmed. I filmed it on my cell phone, but this footage is much better. As soon as the three funnels combined into one, it quickly gained into a monster.
The beginning
Bo Jackson is organizing a charity bike ride, for those that feel like contributing. This is another worthy endeavor
Bo's Bike Ride Video
Thanks
Jason
Since 1996 I have made a living as a professional emergency manager. I worked my way up from the local level and now am employed by a Federal agency. As I write this I am in Kentucky, arriving last Saturday just following the tornadoes. I spend 7-11 months every year traveling around the country from one disaster to another, working planning and operations. Believe me, I know this stuff from front to back. I have worked in every aspect and in my present capacity must have a high level of knowledge. Let's just say that I work on a command staff for the Federal official designated to run the operation and oversee the expenditure of millions and occasionally billions of dollars.
At one point in my career I worked for a well recognized non profit that specializes in disaster relief. They and the others most recognized make as much out of your money as they can. Yes they have admin costs. Yes they pay some people, but the large majority of those people make much less than market value and work long hours. 85 to 90% percent of your money goes to direct services. Most of these agencies have 40 volunteers for every 1 paid staffer, no lie.
Also, after a large disaster in a local community a coalition of local non profits is usually formed called a Long Term Recovery Committee. This can be coordinated by the local United Way or another recognized established non profit. All of the local groups band together, pool their resources, perform casework after talking to families and find ways to piece together the money needed to help a family breach the gap between assistance already received, insurance, and the families finances.
So, if you want to make a donation to a major non profit, designate your donation. They do not like you to do this, but tell them what you want it to go to. Write it on your check if you pay that way.
Or, wait to see about the Long Term Recovery Committee in that area and donate the money to them. Your money stays local and you get to see how it helps.
You make the choice. Personally I have seen too many well meaning solo or small efforts wind up in disarray because these people knew nothing about the process. It happens every time. Collect donations, but leave the distribution of the money to the experts.
Thanks,
Keith
Arthur: I am your king!
Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.
Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king!
Dennis: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!
Arthur: Shut up! Will you shut up!
Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you?
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Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night.
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Doesn't the mantle have a history on this board from a few years ago? >>
Yes, that was my Mantle at one time. Actually, this Mantle is how Jason and I met. I found out about the Mantle and wanted to get it authenticate at PSA. Long story short, I bought it from Jason for $3,000 and promised me that if it did not get authenticated that he would give me my money back. PSA didn't feel comfortable slabbing it due to the amount of altering. So, Jason gave me my money back just as he promised. Like I have said before, he is trustworthy. I know for a fact because of deals we have made ever since then.
As for this thread, wow. I never dreamed it would all come to this. Jason and I talked this afternoon. Just to be clear, even I misunderstood some of the details. Jason and I agreed on the phone that the details should have been more clear from the outset.
I am kind of caught in the middle of this. I can see how people have misunderstood and now want to back out. At the same time, I know Jason and know he is trying to do a good thing. Hopefully there are no hard feelings and we can just move on. As you can see from Mike's post - he did get his money back. That is a start right there. Plus, Jason told me that he is going to ship out the grab bags within the next day or two. I would encourage those that get the grab bags to check in to say that you got them. That would help with the issue of legitimacy.
Shane
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<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night. >>
SNL Celebrity Jeopardy
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<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night. >>
SNL Celebrity Jeopardy >>
sir, you are correct. You already had my respect. I'll have to consider the cuppage. I usually reserve that for Probstein.
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<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night. >>
SNL Celebrity Jeopardy >>
sir, you are correct. You already had my respect. I'll have to consider the cuppage. I usually reserve that for Probstein. >>
Hey, where is my cuppage??? Oh I forgot, I did get me some Swank.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
+100000 to SoFlPhillyFan - I couldn't agree more. I've worked with people on the international side, and the same holds true there.
either way, rintageinvestmonts is going to be so psyched to see that business card. fired up!
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<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night. >>
SNL Celebrity Jeopardy >>
sir, you are correct. You already had my respect. I'll have to consider the cuppage. I usually reserve that for Probstein. >>
Hey, where is my cuppage??? Oh I forgot, I did get me some Swank.
my sincere apologies, Mike - I missed your Swank reference. For your diligence, you shall receive cuppage. Please proceed to the head of the line. Mr. Probstein, kindly step back.
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
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<< <i>Nice Geordie, but what is your favorite color? >>
light urple
first one to get the reference gets nothing but my undying respect, and maybe some cuppage late on a Saturday night. >>
SNL Celebrity Jeopardy >>
sir, you are correct. You already had my respect. I'll have to consider the cuppage. I usually reserve that for Probstein. >>
Hey, where is my cuppage??? Oh I forgot, I did get me some Swank.
my sincere apologies, Mike - I missed your Swank reference. For your diligence, you shall receive cuppage. Please proceed to the head of the line. Mr. Probstein, kindly step back. >>
Yes!!!!!
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Aren't you kinda late? Must have 'scratch pack' fever?
Nobody is receiving tax breaks anywhere for this. Assume what you may but your longing to stir the pot is obvious. You are making judgments that you know nothing about. Also I never bashed the Red Cross. I would be willing to assume someone like you would never participate either way in the part of charity. Have fun trolling.
Jason
<< <i>miklia
Nobody is receiving tax breaks anywhere for this. Assume what you may but your longing to stir the pot is obvious. You are making judgments that you know nothing about. Also I never bashed the Red Cross. I would be willing to assume someone like you would never participate either way in the part of charity. Have fun trolling.
Jason >>
Jason,
I don't believe that this individual was trying to make up an accusation. By the way that you have been sneaky about some details and by the way that you have reacted to some posts, including the above quote, has given some the thought that you may be hiding other details as well. While I am usually optimistic, I have not been optimistic about your donation ideas.
Just the way that you feel that it is possible that some may be able to misread your first post and get the wrong idea is ridiculous. There is no way thatt anybody can read your net54 post and get anything out of it other than that you were going to donate the Mantle. There is no way that anyone can read that post and come to the conclusion that you intended to take some of the donated proceeds as compensation for the Mantle.
Like others have expressed, I, too, thought about getting in just because you were being so generous. Once it was revealed that you weren't being completely transparent, then I, along with others, began to doubt your every move.
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<< <i>I have a hard time believing anyone would pay $3000 for that Mantle, so I'm thinking you're recouping more than just the cost of the Mantle. Going back to 2009 on VCP, 8 out of the 20 slabbed PSA Auth have sold for less than 3k, and another 5 sold for $3000-$4000. Why would anyone pay $3k for this unslabbed color-by-numbers version that PSA won't touch when they can buy one that's already slabbed for less or even slightly more? >>
hes not selling it CD,,, he just getting a refund for it at your expense, the money isnt for the mantle its for charity,, pretty smart i think
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hes not selling it CD,,, he just getting a refund for it at your expense, the money isnt for the mantle its for charity,, pretty smart i think >>
I think that CD is suggesting that Jason may be trying to get more for it out of the auction than what he initially paid. Or, even if he did pay $3K, he knows he overpaid, and is trying to recoup his costs by "breaking even".
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Yeah but he's claiming he paid $3k for the card and was just recouping his costs. I'm calling BS that he paid 3k for that card.
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hes not selling it CD,,, he just getting a refund for it at your expense, the money isnt for the mantle its for charity,, pretty smart i think >>
I think that CD is suggesting that Jason may be trying to get more for it out of the auction than what he initially paid. Or, even if he did pay $3K, he knows he overpaid, and is trying to recoup his costs by "breaking even". >>
ding ding ding,,, lololol, i was being sarcastic,, i know what hes doing,,, real or not that mantle looks like crap,, and if you read his post later on it doesnt even look like hes going to give it out any more but is going to sell it and donate part of the proceeds to his charity,, yea,,hes very adimate about getting his money back for that recolored ungradible card,, and what still amazes me hes still looking like a saint to most guys on here for having his head in the right place because hes put this sham behind the "charity" clause,, boggles my mind you guys are drinking the Kool-aid
<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
Thanks
Jason >>
<< <i>read it again tell me im wrong
<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
Thanks
Jason >>
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I'll have defend Jason on this one. The initial idea was to put the Mantle in the mix if he got up to $20K in donations. In the above quote, he is saying that even if he doesn't hit the mark of $20K, he still may sell the Mantle and give part of the proceeds to charity.
I do believe that Jason is trying to do good here, but I also believe that he may have set this up in a way to take some advantage for himself.
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<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
Thanks
Jason >>
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I'll have defend Jason on this one. The initial idea was to put the Mantle in the mix if he got up to $20K in donations. In the above quote, he is saying that even if he doesn't hit the mark of $20K, he still may sell the Mantle and give part of the proceeds to charity.
I do believe that Jason is trying to do good here, but I also believe that he may have set this up in a way to take some advantage for himself. >>
your kinda controdicting your earlier post,,, look this has gone so wishy washy back and forth,, im going to skim off the top of the proceeds to get "fair market" price the rest goes to charity,,, to,,, im donating 100% to the charity,,,,,, to now its back to selling it and only giving part of the proceeds to his charity,,, if you reread his post you will see he still intends to get paid for that mantle one way or another,,,,
let me ask you,, the business card is supposed to be in one of these2000 packages,,, does that look like 2000 packages to you?