all the while kicking up horsedung into yankee's face! goodbye goobers. enjoy each other on the rest of the thread.
Goober? ,, Repent
edited to add: Just a thought here but isnt saying "if the grab bag count gets close to 20,000, i will include the 52 mantle" kinda cheesy? i think just coming out saying hey Im trying to help out people that need it and this is what i want to do, put some cards in a bag and offer them,,,,, i guarenteed you would have gotten a better response than dangling a carrot in front of us..
case in point, one of our revered leaders in the marble world has pancreatic cancer, there was a fund set up to help out by auctioning off 1 plain white marble 25 bucks a shot,, people responded drastically and as amazing as that was to see, very very few didnt even want the marble.
I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt nightcrawler. My efforts are sincere and I truly hope to send out a 52 Topps Mantle to someone soon.
Agreed but I wanted to make this effort huge and I had this Mantle I had purchased a fews years back for my set. I upgrade the Mantle....then sold off the set. This Mantle while authentic, has had some area colored in, probably by a kid back a long time ago. That being said, I doubt it can be graded. Still for my $3K investment a very presentable card for a nice set. As far as the grab bag idea......I have tons of stuff lying around mostly from auction house lots (huggins etc.) and I do not have the time to sell packs on ebay. Being exclusively a vintage collector and having already pulled what vintage items I was after out of these lots I purchased, I feel this is an excellent way to make use of this stuff. It has just sat around for a long time anyway. I had purchased a mega autographed card collection which featured over 3000 "certified" autos. I pulled the vintage autos I wanted and so that i where I have the autos to put into this lot. Again.....I will have my value I want from the vintage items and glad to donate these to the cause. I hope this sheds some light and is an acceptable explanation. At any rate, if we do not get one more pack sold we raised over $1k so far thanks to some efforts on here and I personally am greatful for that. I know this can be hard to grasp considering you are a Cubs fan and all, but please understand my intentions are authentic and only to help those in this way that I can.
Agreed but I wanted to make this effort huge and I had this Mantle I had purchased a fews years back for my set. I upgrade the Mantle....then sold off the set. This Mantle while authentic, has had some area colored in, probably by a kid back a long time ago. That being said, I doubt it can be graded. Still for my $3K investment a very presentable card for a nice set. As far as the grab bag idea......I have tons of stuff lying around mostly from auction house lots (huggins etc.) and I do not have the time to sell packs on ebay. Being exclusively a vintage collector and having already pulled what vintage items I was after out of these lots I purchased, I feel this is an excellent way to make use of this stuff. It has just sat around for a long time anyway. I had purchased a mega autographed card collection which featured over 3000 "certified" autos. I pulled the vintage autos I wanted and so that i where I have the autos to put into this lot. Again.....I will have my value I want from the vintage items and glad to donate these to the cause. I hope this sheds some light and is an acceptable explanation. At any rate, if we do not get one more pack sold we raised over $1k so far thanks to some efforts on here and I personally am greatful for that. I know this can be hard to grasp considering you are a Cubs fan and all, but please understand my intentions are authentic and only to help those in this way that I can.
Go Cardinals 2012
Jason >>
Thats cool man, but the questions i have , and i read the whole thread trying to find it,, who's the money going to?,, your intentions sound honorable and i feel bad for them folks down that way, i really do,, are you planning on recooping your cost and sending whats left over to the charity, the reason i ask is because when you say,, "i will let the 52 mantle go if the grab bag count gets close to 20,000 bags" sounds like your wanting to get paid for the card first,,, you see how this sounds,, maybe its just me,,, idk
John ... maybe it's ME who is reading this wrong, but I did not think Jason was making anything on this or getting reimbursed for any of the cards in the grab bag. As for the Mantle, I read it as "Hell ... if people donate $20,000.00 by purchasing 2,000 bags (NOT 20,000) I'll even make an additional $3,000.00 myself (The Mantle Card).
Jason ... is this correct or did I misread your post?
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
I also read it as he is recovering no money from donating the cards to the grab bags, but the mantle will only be given out if they sell out or near sell out.
<< <i>John ... maybe it's ME who is reading this wrong, but I did not think Jason was making anything on this or getting reimbursed for any of the cards in the grab bag. As for the Mantle, I read it as "Hell ... if people donate $20,000.00 by purchasing 2,000 bags (NOT 20,000) I'll even make an additional $3,000.00 myself (The Mantle Card).
Jason ... is this correct or did I misread your post? >>
yea, you might be right but kind of crap is that dangling that over good peoples heads?,, im sorry but good intentions or not, people are giving money to a charity, why shouldnt he be any different,, you go throwing that brick in my face,,, you might get a 52 mantle if i get what i want,,, just be real,, say im donating some cards and giving it all to charity,, you making him look like a saint for doing the deed but then he throws a disclaimer in the whole thing that turns my stomach sour,, sorry,,, call it like i see it,, he could have left the mantle out and would have gotten even me a poor sorry adz low ball collector to give toward it.,,, sorry for ruining your thread
Correct. Its not worth sending out the mantle if we only sell 120 bags and raise $1200 for victims. The intent is to raise funds for people in need by offering some decent stuff in return to say thanks! If we were to hit the 2000 bag mark ($20K) I would gladly redeem my 52 Mantle. Victims would net $17K or so, I would keep the $3K for the Mantle (I am already donating thousands of dollars in cards at this point) and someone perhaps sent $12 to a good cause and will redeem potentially an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. If this came across as something else I apologize, but the fact is this is fundraising for a cause. There is no intent for anyone else to make any money here, just to raise money for victims with hoping to really shake up interest by putting in a card of this caliber.
Hell at this point......I would throw in the Mantle to the victims if that really makes a difference. My intent is to help out my hometown, not to create some controversy on a forum. I was very clear when I started the drive....that the 52 Mantle only goes out if we hit the 2000 mark. I dont need the card or the money for it, but the idea was to really spark interest by putting this card as a possibility. It turns my stomach to think people have to judge someone trying to do a good thing as some type of scam. When I give money to charity I never get anything in return which is the right mind anyway. Here I thought giving back something that would be enjoyed through our hobby to say "thanks" would be acceptable. I decided to do this because I had alot of extra stuff lying around that could be used in a good way. I also wanted the monies raised to be used at full capacity and not watered down through something like Red Cross or some other group that has a payroll to pay. This will be given in person to families that need it.
If you have doubts and do not want to give this way fine.....go to Red Cross, Salvation Army, churches etc. Anyone who gives will be blessed in any way if it is done with the right heart. I am not going to defend myself here any longer. Either get on board and give or dont. If you decide not that is fine with me but shut up and let others do what they feel and help out.
Correct. Its not worth sending out the mantle if we only sell 120 bags and raise $1200 for victims. The intent is to raise funds for people in need by offering some decent stuff in return to say thanks! If we were to hit the 2000 bag mark ($20K) I would gladly redeem my 52 Mantle. Victims would net $17K or so, I would keep the $3K for the Mantle (I am already donating thousands of dollars in cards at this point) and someone perhaps sent $12 to a good cause and will redeem potentially an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. If this came across as something else I apologize, but the fact is this is fundraising for a cause. There is no intent for anyone else to make any money here, just to raise money for victims with hoping to really shake up interest by putting in a card of this caliber.
Thanks Jason >>
You would keep back money for your Mantle? So, essentially, it is better for the tornado victims if you sell 1,999 grab bags since $3,000 less will be going to them after the 2,000th one is sold? Is that correct?
Correct. Its not worth sending out the mantle if we only sell 120 bags and raise $1200 for victims. The intent is to raise funds for people in need by offering some decent stuff in return to say thanks! If we were to hit the 2000 bag mark ($20K) I would gladly redeem my 52 Mantle. Victims would net $17K or so, I would keep the $3K for the Mantle (I am already donating thousands of dollars in cards at this point) and someone perhaps sent $12 to a good cause and will redeem potentially an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. If this came across as something else I apologize, but the fact is this is fundraising for a cause. There is no intent for anyone else to make any money here, just to raise money for victims with hoping to really shake up interest by putting in a card of this caliber.
Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. I am guessing that all of the naysayers have not made any purchases up to this point. Let me guess........you only give if something is in it for you right? Like I edited in my last post, if we made 2000 I would give it all at this point. I can see that probably will not happen especially now thanks to some sad people who like to try to wreck a good thing......karma's a b*tch and I hope it doesnt hit any of you naysayers in the face someday!
just shaking my head here in disbelief,, i have to hand it to you, you sure now how to sell a recolored non gradible mantle,, bravo,,, i will at this point shut up,, like i said good luck with your charity, hope it gives you a spot at the pearly gates,,,, im done
<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. I am guessing that all of the naysayers have not made any purchases up to this point. Let me guess........you only give if something is in it for you right? Like I edited in my last post, if we made 2000 I would give it all at this point. I can see that probably will not happen especially now thanks to some sad people who like to try to wreck a good thing......karma's a b*tch and I hope it doesnt hit any of you naysayers in the face someday!
Jason >>
"Let me guess........you only give if something is in it for you right?"
Who exactly are you referring to with that comment? You're the one who planned on keeping $3000.
If I was really sad as you say, I wouldn't spend most of my day laughing my ass off.
<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. I am guessing that all of the naysayers have not made any purchases up to this point. Let me guess........you only give if something is in it for you right? Like I edited in my last post, if we made 2000 I would give it all at this point. I can see that probably will not happen especially now thanks to some sad people who like to try to wreck a good thing......karma's a b*tch and I hope it doesnt hit any of you naysayers in the face someday!
Jason >>
I am rarely negative on these boards, but felt the need to speak up.
You are beginning to prove what others have speculated about you. I'm out as well. You should have disclosed from the very beginning that you were keeping $3,000 for your card. One reason that many have probably already donated is because they were supporting and approving your generosity. And, on top of that, they thought that all of their donation was going to the victims. I donate to many causes, but this ordeal will not be one of them.
<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. >>
Wait, what? If you end up hitting the 2,000 commitments, you'll send out the Mantle but (in your own words) "...would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle." So, if you send the Mantle, you'll be keeping $3,000 in contributions for yourself. Is that correct?
And before you put down my furry avatar, know that I honestly hope this is legit. I find it rather strange that you couldn't just point people to the Red Cross or some other bona fide nfp link. You could have always offered to match people's donations which also would have been very generous. There are a lot more transparent ways to raise money from the boards.
Again, I sincerely want to believe this, but the Mantle caveat and the lack of transparency doesn't help one bit.
<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. >>
Wait, what? If you end up hitting the 2,000 commitments, you'll send out the Mantle but (in your own words) "...would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle." So, if you send the Mantle, you'll be keeping $3,000 in contributions for yourself. Is that correct?
>>
YUUUUUUUUUUUUP,, i thought i smelled something wrong and it wasnt me,, lol
So you would actually keep 3K to pay for your Mantle if the 2000 pack mark was hit? When were you planning on disclosing this? I think you just took the steam out of your engine on this one. I have a tax refund coming this week that I was planning on sending some your way. Looks like its going to the Red Cross instead.
I grow increasingly skeptical about any type of charity proposal around here. Unless I have a direct link to a charity to donate to, I will no longer even entertain the idea of contributing from anyone on here!
Congrats Vintage...you have just pushed me over the edge.
Jason's initial post on Net54 stated "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle". That statement is entirely false. He is not giving away the Mantle, but is instead selling the Mantle for fair market value. What other statements that Jason made are false?
How do we know for certain that he isn't taking other cuts off the top? Who is holding him accountable for the flood of donations that are coming into his Paypal account?
<< <i>k nevermind this is too far just get the thread deleted and refund everyone who wants a refund. >>
oh i'll bet theres at least a half dozen request to have this post deleted,, wow,, thats not bad karma on me, its all good for inquiring,, sorry for you guys who fell for this, theres alot of good charities out there, it only takes the one to screw it up.
WOW! You stated you were "Giving away" a '52 Mantle that you paid $3K for when in fact, if $20,000.00 was donated by charitable people, you were really going to be selling the card and keeping $3,000.00 in donations for the card.
Jason, I defended you (not that you cared) up until this point. What you are doing with the grab bags is very admirable and I hope you raise a lot of money for the victims.
But to say you were GIVING AWAY the Mantle was a flat out lie. You forgot to tell us one small thing ... that you were going to keep $3,000.00 of the donations if you included the Mantle in one of the grab bags.
I'm hoping that was just a mistake in your original NET54 thread ... but it's hard to believe it was a mistake.
ANYWAY, I hope my small donation will help one of the victims, even if it is in a small way.
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>WOW! You stated you were "Giving away" a '52 Mantle that you paid $3K for when in fact, if $20,000.00 was donated by charitable people, you were really going to be selling the card and keeping $3,000.00 in donations for the card.
Jason, I defended you (not that you cared) up until this point. What you are doing with the grab bags is very admirable and I hope you raise a lot of money for the victims.
But to say you were GIVING AWAY the Mantle was a flat out lie. You forgot to tell us one small thing ... that you were going to keep $3,000.00 of the donations if you included the Mantle in one of the grab bags.
I'm hoping that was just a mistake in your original NET54 thread ... but it's hard to believe it was a mistake.
ANYWAY, I hope my small donation will help one of the victims, even if it is in a small way. >>
I can't see how this was a mistake. The $3,000 payment should have been completely disclosed in the initial offering. The donation of the Mantle is the key to this entire project, and now we find out that there was no donation to begin with.
Guys again........This was meant to drive for help to victims. The Mantle will be 100% donated as stated. All cards paid for up to this point will be mailed tomorrow for they are packed. 100% of these funds go straight to people in need. I do not understand all the negative press this is getting. If you want your money back I will be more than happy to send it back, but your packages will be shipped.
Shootybabbit:
I am going down in toward end of the month and taking all proceeds with me. We are planning to focus on people that have damaged homes with no insurance and need repairs done. We have collected around $1200-1300 so far up to this point.
To the Red Cross comments: Red Cross is fine but I wanted my $$ to be 100% spent with the victims........not watered down to pay for payrolls. As far as the issue with Mantle perhaps I want completely clear on net54 as I re-read the original post........that is why I am saying if WE get to 2000 or close, I will give the Mantle. I can see where this may be confusing. I do not need the card and even though I would like to have what I paid for it, I would stake it on my reputation. The cards intended to be donated would in fact the grab bags which include alot of money worth of cards. It was never intended to be deceiving. I said in my original post "Now for the kicker…I will randomly inset a few premium $20,$30,$50 cards here or there and as for the key prize I am including a real 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle rookie in one of the packs considering all 2000 packs sell. The Mantle is centered and crease free but altered due to background being colored along time ago. Still a presentable card that I paid $3K for a while back. Back is clean. " All I stated was that I was including the Mantle if we can raise or sell a certain amount.
I feel really disgusted that people would stake my reputation and assume anything less than a charitable fundraiser just because they feel that they may not receive something in return for your donation. If you have given and feel this way please email me privately for a refund and keep the grab bags.
<< <i>just because they feel that they may not receive something in return for your donation. If you have given and feel this way please email me privately for a refund and keep the grab bags. Be well, Jason. >>
Jason ... I do not think most people on these boards really cared if they received anything for their donation. As I stated previously, the thought that went thru my mind was "WOW, this guy is going to donate a $3,000.00 card for something he strongly believes in. The least I could do for a fellow collector was donate a couple bucks."
What's done is done. Best of luck to the people you are going to help.
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
I am not making this up. I cut and pasted this from your original post. You did not say you were including the Mantle. You said.....
"I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle".
Again, you should have been 100% forthcoming and actually state that you were intending to be paid $3,000 for the card. >>
after over 14 yrs on ebay and reading all the inbetweens and keyword spams, you can see why i asked,, what got me though is the "if this reaches a certain point, then i will give it away" that got me,,, go give your money you collected away, take pictures,, good luck
edit: sorry for ruining your sell out plan,, gotta admit it was pretty ingenious
I have been talking with Shane and I do see where this possibly had been taken the wrong way. I never meant to deceive on the Mantle. I do look forward to giving it to someone if we were to hit that amount. Again, I dont need the Mantle or the packs, stars,autos considering I am a vintage collector. If I DID keep $3k for my main prize I would have been recovering my cost only....not making a dime. However, considering the way this has been twisted I would give the Mantle completely to this charity if we hit the right amount. This is all intended for a charitable cause. If you would rather donate to Red Cross or something else go for it........Lord knows they need it. I just wanted for this to make a direct 100% impact on the people. If anyone has remorse for their donation feel free to email me, but I have already packaged your cards and they will be mailed tomorrow.
Exactly was the purpose of giving the 52 Mantle in this deal. I wanted to make a huge impact in a short amount of time and considering I am not a multi-millionaire, I have alot of value in cards and I can raise it that way. You guys I hope will be surprised by what is in some of these packs as well. I just want to be able to help some of the poorer people in need. Some do not even have insurance and lost everything they owned.
I have been talking with Shane and I do see where this possibly had been taken the wrong way. I never meant to deceive on the Mantle. I do look forward to giving it to someone if we were to hit that amount. Again, I dont need the Mantle or the packs, stars,autos considering I am a vintage collector. If I DID keep $3k for my main prize I would have been recovering my cost only....not making a dime. However, considering the way this has been twisted I would give the Mantle completely to this charity if we hit the right amount. This is all intended for a charitable cause. If you would rather donate to Red Cross or something else go for it........Lord knows they need it. I just wanted for this to make a direct 100% impact on the people. If anyone has remorse for their donation feel free to email me, but I have already packaged your cards and they will be mailed tomorrow.
Thanks Jason 816-294-9847 >>
I'm confused. The stuff going out tomorrow... I take it they have no chance to have this Mantle card since this charity has to "hit the right amount"???
"Thanks and yes I should have said something to the effect, I am willing to add the mantle as a prize, but will be compensated for what I paid for it, considering the level of card it is. If people would have read it over there, I have decided to just donate the Mantle at this point to stake my reputation. I didnt meant to deceive, but I never intended to donate the Mantle, just the packs etc. At this point like I posted in CU if WE hit the 2000 mark I will donate the Mantle funds.
Thanks Jason "
You never intended to donate the Mantle? Please tell us where you disclosed this information?
Exactly was the purpose of giving the 52 Mantle in this deal. I wanted to make a huge impact in a short amount of time and considering I am not a multi-millionaire, I have alot of value in cards and I can raise it that way. You guys I hope will be surprised by what is in some of these packs as well. I just want to be able to help some of the poorer people in need. Some do not even have insurance and lost everything they owned.
Jason >>
Jason, you just dont get it,, think,,, you are using a charity and pulling at the heart strings of good honest people to sell your recolored non gradible mantle card,, weather you make a profit or not, you used this key card to promote donations to a worthy cause,,, if you cant see the wrong in this then you really need to be hit in the head ,,, a few times,,, think about it.
When someone is collecting money for charity, people are going to assume that 100% of the money goes to charity. You're only giving 85% of it to charity (if 2,000 packs are purchased). Even though you're not really making any profit from this, it's still should have been stated up front that only $17K of the $20K would go to charity (if 2,000 packs were purchased).
No my family is all fine and unaffected.....thanks for the concern. A couple of my friends were hit but insured so they are fine. This goes toward people that NEED it. If you are questioning where and if the monies go, please keep yours.
Bigjohn
I invite you personally to find me and hit me in the head if you can.
Mlbfan2
This has already been addressed on both forums.......keep your money. Also edited to state......that is where I may have not been clear. I never said the Mantle was a donation, just that it would be sent out if all 2000 are sold. Again I was already donating thousands of dollars of cards. But now considering this becoming a big deal, and the fact I was not clear on the Mantle, I will donate the Mantle with 100% funds going out.
Echo......
Just email me the info. Your cards are still being shipped.
* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold". * at that point the Mantle will be "donated". * grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle. * grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere.
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow. If the card happens to be pulled then it will be redeemable only if we move all 2000 packs. Chances will be slim considering only about 6% have been sold. I hope this helps. Along with the sealed coin envelope of 15 star cards each $10 donation will receive another ceritfied autographed card, toploaded star, HOFer, or rookie, and a vintage sealed pack as early as 1981.
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Tuesday April 17, 2007 8:46 PM
gallop.....gallop.....GALLOP......GALLOP........GALLOP....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....gallop.....
all the while kicking up horsedung into yankee's face! goodbye goobers. enjoy each other on the rest of the thread.
Goober? ,, Repent
edited to add: Just a thought here but isnt saying "if the grab bag count gets close to 20,000, i will include the 52 mantle" kinda cheesy? i think just coming out saying hey Im trying to help out people that need it and this is what i want to do, put some cards in a bag and offer them,,,,, i guarenteed you would have gotten a better response than dangling a carrot in front of us..
case in point, one of our revered leaders in the marble world has pancreatic cancer, there was a fund set up to help out by auctioning off 1 plain white marble 25 bucks a shot,, people responded drastically and as amazing as that was to see, very very few didnt even want the marble.
+1 Red Cross
Jason
Agreed but I wanted to make this effort huge and I had this Mantle I had purchased a fews years back for my set. I upgrade the Mantle....then sold off the set. This Mantle while authentic, has had some area colored in, probably by a kid back a long time ago. That being said, I doubt it can be graded. Still for my $3K investment a very presentable card for a nice set. As far as the grab bag idea......I have tons of stuff lying around mostly from auction house lots (huggins etc.) and I do not have the time to sell packs on ebay. Being exclusively a vintage collector and having already pulled what vintage items I was after out of these lots I purchased, I feel this is an excellent way to make use of this stuff. It has just sat around for a long time anyway. I had purchased a mega autographed card collection which featured over 3000 "certified" autos. I pulled the vintage autos I wanted and so that i where I have the autos to put into this lot. Again.....I will have my value I want from the vintage items and glad to donate these to the cause. I hope this sheds some light and is an acceptable explanation. At any rate, if we do not get one more pack sold we raised over $1k so far thanks to some efforts on here and I personally am greatful for that. I know this can be hard to grasp considering you are a Cubs fan and all, but please understand my intentions are authentic and only to help those in this way that I can.
Go Cardinals 2012
Jason
<< <i>Bigjohn
Agreed but I wanted to make this effort huge and I had this Mantle I had purchased a fews years back for my set. I upgrade the Mantle....then sold off the set. This Mantle while authentic, has had some area colored in, probably by a kid back a long time ago. That being said, I doubt it can be graded. Still for my $3K investment a very presentable card for a nice set. As far as the grab bag idea......I have tons of stuff lying around mostly from auction house lots (huggins etc.) and I do not have the time to sell packs on ebay. Being exclusively a vintage collector and having already pulled what vintage items I was after out of these lots I purchased, I feel this is an excellent way to make use of this stuff. It has just sat around for a long time anyway. I had purchased a mega autographed card collection which featured over 3000 "certified" autos. I pulled the vintage autos I wanted and so that i where I have the autos to put into this lot. Again.....I will have my value I want from the vintage items and glad to donate these to the cause. I hope this sheds some light and is an acceptable explanation. At any rate, if we do not get one more pack sold we raised over $1k so far thanks to some efforts on here and I personally am greatful for that. I know this can be hard to grasp considering you are a Cubs fan and all, but please understand my intentions are authentic and only to help those in this way that I can.
Go Cardinals 2012
Jason >>
Thats cool man, but the questions i have , and i read the whole thread trying to find it,, who's the money going to?,, your intentions sound honorable and i feel bad for them folks down that way, i really do,, are you planning on recooping your cost and sending whats left over to the charity, the reason i ask is because when you say,, "i will let the 52 mantle go if the grab bag count gets close to 20,000 bags" sounds like your wanting to get paid for the card first,,, you see how this sounds,, maybe its just me,,, idk
edited to add: die hard Cubs fan,, yes
Red Cross Tornado Disaster Relief
Jason ... is this correct or did I misread your post?
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>John ... maybe it's ME who is reading this wrong, but I did not think Jason was making anything on this or getting reimbursed for any of the cards in the grab bag. As for the Mantle, I read it as "Hell ... if people donate $20,000.00 by purchasing 2,000 bags (NOT 20,000) I'll even make an additional $3,000.00 myself (The Mantle Card).
Jason ... is this correct or did I misread your post? >>
yea, you might be right but kind of crap is that dangling that over good peoples heads?,, im sorry but good intentions or not, people are giving money to a charity, why shouldnt he be any different,, you go throwing that brick in my face,,, you might get a 52 mantle if i get what i want,,, just be real,, say im donating some cards and giving it all to charity,, you making him look like a saint for doing the deed but then he throws a disclaimer in the whole thing that turns my stomach sour,, sorry,,, call it like i see it,, he could have left the mantle out and would have gotten even me a poor sorry adz low ball collector to give toward it.,,, sorry for ruining your thread
Correct. Its not worth sending out the mantle if we only sell 120 bags and raise $1200 for victims. The intent is to raise funds for people in need by offering some decent stuff in return to say thanks! If we were to hit the 2000 bag mark ($20K) I would gladly redeem my 52 Mantle. Victims would net $17K or so, I would keep the $3K for the Mantle (I am already donating thousands of dollars in cards at this point) and someone perhaps sent $12 to a good cause and will redeem potentially an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. If this came across as something else I apologize, but the fact is this is fundraising for a cause. There is no intent for anyone else to make any money here, just to raise money for victims with hoping to really shake up interest by putting in a card of this caliber.
Hell at this point......I would throw in the Mantle to the victims if that really makes a difference. My intent is to help out my hometown, not to create some controversy on a forum. I was very clear when I started the drive....that the 52 Mantle only goes out if we hit the 2000 mark. I dont need the card or the money for it, but the idea was to really spark interest by putting this card as a possibility. It turns my stomach to think people have to judge someone trying to do a good thing as some type of scam. When I give money to charity I never get anything in return which is the right mind anyway. Here I thought giving back something that would be enjoyed through our hobby to say "thanks" would be acceptable. I decided to do this because I had alot of extra stuff lying around that could be used in a good way. I also wanted the monies raised to be used at full capacity and not watered down through something like Red Cross or some other group that has a payroll to pay. This will be given in person to families that need it.
If you have doubts and do not want to give this way fine.....go to Red Cross, Salvation Army, churches etc. Anyone who gives will be blessed in any way if it is done with the right heart. I am not going to defend myself here any longer. Either get on board and give or dont. If you decide not that is fine with me but shut up and let others do what they feel and help out.
Jason
Thanks
Jason
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<< <i>Doug
Correct. Its not worth sending out the mantle if we only sell 120 bags and raise $1200 for victims. The intent is to raise funds for people in need by offering some decent stuff in return to say thanks! If we were to hit the 2000 bag mark ($20K) I would gladly redeem my 52 Mantle. Victims would net $17K or so, I would keep the $3K for the Mantle (I am already donating thousands of dollars in cards at this point) and someone perhaps sent $12 to a good cause and will redeem potentially an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. If this came across as something else I apologize, but the fact is this is fundraising for a cause. There is no intent for anyone else to make any money here, just to raise money for victims with hoping to really shake up interest by putting in a card of this caliber.
Thanks
Jason >>
You would keep back money for your Mantle? So, essentially, it is better for the tornado victims if you sell 1,999 grab bags since $3,000 less will be going to them after the 2,000th one is sold? Is that correct?
<< <i>Doug
Correct. Its not worth sending out the mantle if we only sell 120 bags and raise $1200 for victims. The intent is to raise funds for people in need by offering some decent stuff in return to say thanks! If we were to hit the 2000 bag mark ($20K) I would gladly redeem my 52 Mantle. Victims would net $17K or so, I would keep the $3K for the Mantle (I am already donating thousands of dollars in cards at this point) and someone perhaps sent $12 to a good cause and will redeem potentially an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. If this came across as something else I apologize, but the fact is this is fundraising for a cause. There is no intent for anyone else to make any money here, just to raise money for victims with hoping to really shake up interest by putting in a card of this caliber.
Thanks
Jason >>
sorry man im out, good luck with your charity
Jason
<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. I am guessing that all of the naysayers have not made any purchases up to this point. Let me guess........you only give if something is in it for you right? Like I edited in my last post, if we made 2000 I would give it all at this point. I can see that probably will not happen especially now thanks to some sad people who like to try to wreck a good thing......karma's a b*tch and I hope it doesnt hit any of you naysayers in the face someday!
Jason >>
"Let me guess........you only give if something is in it for you right?"
Who exactly are you referring to with that comment? You're the one who planned on keeping $3000.
If I was really sad as you say, I wouldn't spend most of my day laughing my ass off.
<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. I am guessing that all of the naysayers have not made any purchases up to this point. Let me guess........you only give if something is in it for you right? Like I edited in my last post, if we made 2000 I would give it all at this point. I can see that probably will not happen especially now thanks to some sad people who like to try to wreck a good thing......karma's a b*tch and I hope it doesnt hit any of you naysayers in the face someday!
Jason >>
I am rarely negative on these boards, but felt the need to speak up.
You are beginning to prove what others have speculated about you. I'm out as well. You should have disclosed from the very beginning that you were keeping $3,000 for your card. One reason that many have probably already donated is because they were supporting and approving your generosity. And, on top of that, they thought that all of their donation was going to the victims. I donate to many causes, but this ordeal will not be one of them.
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<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. >>
Wait, what? If you end up hitting the 2,000 commitments, you'll send out the Mantle but (in your own words) "...would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle." So, if you send the Mantle, you'll be keeping $3,000 in contributions for yourself. Is that correct?
And before you put down my furry avatar, know that I honestly hope this is legit. I find it rather strange that you couldn't just point people to the Red Cross or some other bona fide nfp link. You could have always offered to match people's donations which also would have been very generous. There are a lot more transparent ways to raise money from the boards.
Again, I sincerely want to believe this, but the Mantle caveat and the lack of transparency doesn't help one bit.
I feel duped.
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<< <i>Read what I last wrote. I am not keeping a "cut" of anything. I paid $3k and I would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle. Nothing being made here. >>
Wait, what? If you end up hitting the 2,000 commitments, you'll send out the Mantle but (in your own words) "...would like to keep that much IF I have to send the Mantle." So, if you send the Mantle, you'll be keeping $3,000 in contributions for yourself. Is that correct?
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YUUUUUUUUUUUUP,, i thought i smelled something wrong and it wasnt me,, lol
I grow increasingly skeptical about any type of charity proposal around here. Unless I have a direct link to a charity to donate to, I will no longer even entertain the idea of contributing from anyone on here!
Congrats Vintage...you have just pushed me over the edge.
How do we know for certain that he isn't taking other cuts off the top? Who is holding him accountable for the flood of donations that are coming into his Paypal account?
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<< <i>k nevermind this is too far just get the thread deleted and refund everyone who wants a refund. >>
oh i'll bet theres at least a half dozen request to have this post deleted,, wow,, thats not bad karma on me, its all good for inquiring,, sorry for you guys who fell for this, theres alot of good charities out there, it only takes the one to screw it up.
Jason, I defended you (not that you cared) up until this point. What you are doing with the grab bags is very admirable and I hope you raise a lot of money for the victims.
But to say you were GIVING AWAY the Mantle was a flat out lie. You forgot to tell us one small thing ... that you were going to keep $3,000.00 of the donations if you included the Mantle in one of the grab bags.
I'm hoping that was just a mistake in your original NET54 thread ... but it's hard to believe it was a mistake.
ANYWAY, I hope my small donation will help one of the victims, even if it is in a small way.
Doug
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<< <i>WOW! You stated you were "Giving away" a '52 Mantle that you paid $3K for when in fact, if $20,000.00 was donated by charitable people, you were really going to be selling the card and keeping $3,000.00 in donations for the card.
Jason, I defended you (not that you cared) up until this point. What you are doing with the grab bags is very admirable and I hope you raise a lot of money for the victims.
But to say you were GIVING AWAY the Mantle was a flat out lie. You forgot to tell us one small thing ... that you were going to keep $3,000.00 of the donations if you included the Mantle in one of the grab bags.
I'm hoping that was just a mistake in your original NET54 thread ... but it's hard to believe it was a mistake.
ANYWAY, I hope my small donation will help one of the victims, even if it is in a small way. >>
I can't see how this was a mistake. The $3,000 payment should have been completely disclosed in the initial offering. The donation of the Mantle is the key to this entire project, and now we find out that there was no donation to begin with.
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When you get a chance, maybe you could let people know what has been done with the money you have collected to this point.
Shootybabbit:
I am going down in toward end of the month and taking all proceeds with me. We are planning to focus on people that have damaged homes with no insurance and need repairs done. We have collected around $1200-1300 so far up to this point.
To the Red Cross comments: Red Cross is fine but I wanted my $$ to be 100% spent with the victims........not watered down to pay for payrolls. As far as the issue with Mantle perhaps I want completely clear on net54 as I re-read the original post........that is why I am saying if WE get to 2000 or close, I will give the Mantle. I can see where this may be confusing. I do not need the card and even though I would like to have what I paid for it, I would stake it on my reputation. The cards intended to be donated would in fact the grab bags which include alot of money worth of cards. It was never intended to be deceiving. I said in my original post "Now for the kicker…I will randomly inset a few premium $20,$30,$50 cards here or there and as for the key prize I am including a real 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle rookie in one of the packs considering all 2000 packs sell. The Mantle is centered and crease free but altered due to background being colored along time ago. Still a presentable card that I paid $3K for a while back. Back is clean. " All I stated was that I was including the Mantle if we can raise or sell a certain amount.
I feel really disgusted that people would stake my reputation and assume anything less than a charitable fundraiser just because they feel that they may not receive something in return for your donation. If you have given and feel this way please email me privately for a refund and keep the grab bags.
Be well,
Jason
Jason
<< <i>just because they feel that they may not receive something in return for your donation. If you have given and feel this way please email me privately for a refund and keep the grab bags. Be well, Jason. >>
Jason ... I do not think most people on these boards really cared if they received anything for their donation. As I stated previously, the thought that went thru my mind was "WOW, this guy is going to donate a $3,000.00 card for something he strongly believes in. The least I could do for a fellow collector was donate a couple bucks."
What's done is done. Best of luck to the people you are going to help.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
I am not making this up. I cut and pasted this from your original post. You did not say you were including the Mantle. You said.....
"I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle".
Again, you should have been 100% forthcoming and actually state that you were intending to be paid $3,000 for the card.
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<< <i>Jason,
I am not making this up. I cut and pasted this from your original post. You did not say you were including the Mantle. You said.....
"I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle".
Again, you should have been 100% forthcoming and actually state that you were intending to be paid $3,000 for the card. >>
after over 14 yrs on ebay and reading all the inbetweens and keyword spams, you can see why i asked,, what got me though is the "if this reaches a certain point, then i will give it away" that got me,,, go give your money you collected away, take pictures,, good luck
edit: sorry for ruining your sell out plan,, gotta admit it was pretty ingenious
I have been talking with Shane and I do see where this possibly had been taken the wrong way. I never meant to deceive on the Mantle. I do look forward to giving it to someone if we were to hit that amount. Again, I dont need the Mantle or the packs, stars,autos considering I am a vintage collector. If I DID keep $3k for my main prize I would have been recovering my cost only....not making a dime. However, considering the way this has been twisted I would give the Mantle completely to this charity if we hit the right amount. This is all intended for a charitable cause. If you would rather donate to Red Cross or something else go for it........Lord knows they need it. I just wanted for this to make a direct 100% impact on the people. If anyone has remorse for their donation feel free to email me, but I have already packaged your cards and they will be mailed tomorrow.
Thanks
Jason
816-294-9847
Exactly was the purpose of giving the 52 Mantle in this deal. I wanted to make a huge impact in a short amount of time and considering I am not a multi-millionaire, I have alot of value in cards and I can raise it that way. You guys I hope will be surprised by what is in some of these packs as well. I just want to be able to help some of the poorer people in need. Some do not even have insurance and lost everything they owned.
Jason
<< <i>Don and Doug
I have been talking with Shane and I do see where this possibly had been taken the wrong way. I never meant to deceive on the Mantle. I do look forward to giving it to someone if we were to hit that amount. Again, I dont need the Mantle or the packs, stars,autos considering I am a vintage collector. If I DID keep $3k for my main prize I would have been recovering my cost only....not making a dime. However, considering the way this has been twisted I would give the Mantle completely to this charity if we hit the right amount. This is all intended for a charitable cause. If you would rather donate to Red Cross or something else go for it........Lord knows they need it. I just wanted for this to make a direct 100% impact on the people. If anyone has remorse for their donation feel free to email me, but I have already packaged your cards and they will be mailed tomorrow.
Thanks
Jason
816-294-9847 >>
I'm confused. The stuff going out tomorrow... I take it they have no chance to have this Mantle card since this charity has to "hit the right amount"???
aconte
"Thanks and yes I should have said something to the effect, I am willing to add the mantle as a prize, but will be compensated for what I paid for it, considering the level of card it is. If people would have read it over there, I have decided to just donate the Mantle at this point to stake my reputation. I didnt meant to deceive, but I never intended to donate the Mantle, just the packs etc. At this point like I posted in CU if WE hit the 2000 mark I will donate the Mantle funds.
Thanks
Jason "
You never intended to donate the Mantle? Please tell us where you disclosed this information?
Jason are any of the victims friends of your's, or family? Not that I'm against you helping friends or family, I'm just wondering.
<< <i>Bigjohn
Exactly was the purpose of giving the 52 Mantle in this deal. I wanted to make a huge impact in a short amount of time and considering I am not a multi-millionaire, I have alot of value in cards and I can raise it that way. You guys I hope will be surprised by what is in some of these packs as well. I just want to be able to help some of the poorer people in need. Some do not even have insurance and lost everything they owned.
Jason >>
Jason, you just dont get it,, think,,, you are using a charity and pulling at the heart strings of good honest people to sell your recolored non gradible mantle card,, weather you make a profit or not, you used this key card to promote donations to a worthy cause,,, if you cant see the wrong in this then you really need to be hit in the head ,,, a few times,,, think about it.
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<< <i>I do not understand all the negative press this is getting. If you want your money back I will be more than happy to send it back, >>
I want my money back and emailed you (where I sent my paypal donation)
No my family is all fine and unaffected.....thanks for the concern. A couple of my friends were hit but insured so they are fine. This goes toward people that NEED it. If you are questioning where and if the monies go, please keep yours.
Bigjohn
I invite you personally to find me and hit me in the head if you can.
Mlbfan2
This has already been addressed on both forums.......keep your money. Also edited to state......that is where I may have not been clear. I never said the Mantle was a donation, just that it would be sent out if all 2000 are sold. Again I was already donating thousands of dollars of cards. But now considering this becoming a big deal, and the fact I was not clear on the Mantle, I will donate the Mantle with 100% funds going out.
Echo......
Just email me the info. Your cards are still being shipped.
Jason
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Bigjohn
I invite you personally to find me and hit me in the head if you can.
Jason >>
thats ok Jason, just bend down behind that horse you rode in on and smack him on the rear end, that'll work,,, save me the trip,,
* grab bags are currently being mailed out and will continue to be mailed until/if 2000 are "sold".
* at that point the Mantle will be "donated".
* grab bags 1-1999 have no shot at a Mantle.
* grab bags "sold" after 2000 will have a chance at a Mantle.
Did I miss anything?
So what cards do people who claim grab bags 1-1999 have the chance to receive. Forgive me if this was pointed out elsewhere.
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IMF
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow. If the card happens to be pulled then it will be redeemable only if we move all 2000 packs. Chances will be slim considering only about 6% have been sold. I hope this helps. Along with the sealed coin envelope of 15 star cards each $10 donation will receive another ceritfied autographed card, toploaded star, HOFer, or rookie, and a vintage sealed pack as early as 1981.
Thanks
Jason