Don, I agree with you. He was trying to commit a truly selfless act without it being a truly selfless act, and he initially concealed that fact. Obviously he's been trying to unload this Mantle for quite some time and I think he saw an opportunity here to do so. The rationalization of 'look at all the other stuff I'm giving away to charity' doesn't really fly. Like others have said, the lure of a Mantle wasn't really necessary; the people that bought grab bags would've bought them regardless to help out a good cause so why even include the Mantle? So either 1) he had the idea of giving stuff away to charity and figured out he might be able to get 3k for his Mantle as a side effect, or 2) he built the charity idea around getting 3k for his Mantle. Either way it's disingenuous. You just can't play both sides of the fence like this and not come off as shady. I'm not saying this thing was 100% selfish, but it clearly wasn't 100% selfless either.
I just don't see how you could interpret the following line in his initial Net54 post any other way than he will be giving away a '52 Mantle and getting nothing in return for it:
Thank you all very much in advance and I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle.
I mean, how can you read that any other way? I can't even see how this would be ambiguous in the slightest way. Now he's back-tracking and over-compensating to try and clear his good name, which is eerily similar to the way he handled himself in the thread nightcrawler posted. Something about the way this guy operates leaves a lot to be desired.
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed.
<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
Thanks Jason >>
>>
I'll have defend Jason on this one. The initial idea was to put the Mantle in the mix if he got up to $20K in donations. In the above quote, he is saying that even if he doesn't hit the mark of $20K, he still may sell the Mantle and give part of the proceeds to charity.
I do believe that Jason is trying to do good here, but I also believe that he may have set this up in a way to take some advantage for himself. >>
your kinda controdicting your earlier post,,, look this has gone so wishy washy back and forth,, im going to skim off the top of the proceeds to get "fair market" price the rest goes to charity,,, to,,, im donating 100% to the charity,,,,,, to now its back to selling it and only giving part of the proceeds to his charity,,, if you reread his post you will see he still intends to get paid for that mantle one way or another,,,,
let me ask you,, the business card is supposed to be in one of these2000 packages,,, does that look like 2000 packages to you? >>
Bigjohn,
I agree that in the middle somewhere he did say that he would donate it no matter what. But, again, he had a threshold of getting 2000 packs sold, which I believe he only has 120 sold. This way to fishy for me, and in my opinion, I give this a 50/50 chance of being legit.
In a few months, I wouldn't be surprised if we see pictures of Jason putting on a new roof with everyone's money and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it was a scam.
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed. >>
yes, case in point,, someone came on here and asked him if he was mailing out the gift bags already and the business card was in one of them, why should anyone other than giving to a charity, buy a gift bag,, buttt,, he later posts,, if the count doesnt come close to the original 2000 he will take the mantle and sell it at auction and take part of the proceeds,,,,, you see what im getting at. ,, either the first 120 are out of getting the mantle orrrr the next 1880 people are
<< <i>Him donating the Mantle or part of it, was offered as a suggestion by me.
Then he said he might do that.
This things a mess case closed.
Maybe as a group we can start another thread, with a link to a good charity that we all feel confident about. >>
i'll agree to that case close part,, but must correct one this hes not donating it hes unloading it and getting paid for it at your expense,, its your money i know,, go for it,, shoulda left the mantle out of the deal altogether, wouldnt have made him look like a sham. edit: all i can say is , what a way to unload a card nobody wants at his price of 3k,,
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed. >>
yes, case in point,, someone came on here and asked him if he was mailing out the gift bags already and the business card was in one of them, why should anyone other than giving to a charity, buy a gift bag,, buttt,, he later posts,, if the count doesnt come close to the original 2000 he will take the mantle and sell it at auction and take part of the proceeds,,,,, you see what im getting at. >>
BIgJohn,
Please don't think that I am arguing with you or even disagreeing with you, because I am not. No matter what the inconsistent details are, I think we can both agree that something isn't right here. I think Lee did a good job explaining how it doesn't appear to be 100% selfish, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be 100% selfless either. With a charity offering like this, it has to be 100% selfless. In fact, to do it right, it has to be more than 100% selfless.
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed. >>
yes, case in point,, someone came on here and asked him if he was mailing out the gift bags already and the business card was in one of them, why should anyone other than giving to a charity, buy a gift bag,, buttt,, he later posts,, if the count doesnt come close to the original 2000 he will take the mantle and sell it at auction and take part of the proceeds,,,,, you see what im getting at. >>
BIgJohn,
Please don't think that I am arguing with you or even disagreeing with you, because I am not. No matter what the inconsistent details are, I think we can both agree that something isn't right here. I think Lee did a good job explaining how it doesn't appear to be 100% selfish, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be 100% selfless either. With a charity offering like this, it has to be 100% selfless. In fact, to do it right, it has to be more than 100% selfless. >>
i will agree to that,, i read post on this forum all the time how people are getting screwed by ebay sellers or buyers,,"add him to your block bidders list" and all,, but you guys have a whole another out look when it comes to charity work and that makes you guys rank up there with buddahh to me,, but because of the words charity you are drinking his kool-aid and excepting it him as legit and all im saying is when you lie once in the court of law and it is brought out it makes you look like everything you say is not right,,, i would love to know that all this money is going to someone who he walks up to out of the blue and asked, "do you have insurance" and if they say no he will at this point hand them all donations, or part of the donations after he unloads that mantle at his price,, his head may be in the right place for the needy but the deceat makes me wonder and for that im out,,,,
and if im responsible for taking away from people that really really need it, i am very very sorry,, we have to take his word that all this money will reach the people that need it,, im from Indiana and that storm was rediculously terrible. you guys give your money to him i hope it all works out the way its supposed to, i really do..
<< <i>you're just an angry demonic smurf - you need to come to the full realization that nothing you say will be taken seriously. >>
They call me skincrawler. >>
HEY TRENT
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
First I want to say bishop thanks for your generous donation.
Secondly, I DO NOT NEED the Mantle so I felt this would be a high end card that would help move alot of packs fast. I wasnt trying to unload the card for monetary gain. I just set a high goal and felt that if it was hit I could send out a nice prize. I paid $3k for it and yea I would have liked to been compensated considering I was donating tons of other stuff (who wouldn't?), but I see where that may have been misunderstood. AT THIS POINT I DON'T CARE AND THE CARD COULD BE DONATED. I think most of you who are negatively looking at this are grasping at straws anyway and have nothing better to do with your time. I will be heading to IL soon with what I raised and post those who helped.
Third.....The photos of the packs were 1 of 5 boxes and crates and that one box housed about 300-400 packs FYI. I did email Peon more hpotos for net54 but he posted as many as he felt needed. I dont see it necessary to take pictures of tons of coin packs.
Fourth...I am done spending my good time trying to defend my integrity against a few trolls who just like to stir up trouble.
Thanks to the good people on here who helped the cause.
<< <i>First I want to say bishop thanks for your generous donation.
Secondly, I DO NOT NEED the Mantle so I felt this would be a high end card that would help move alot of packs fast. I wasnt trying to unload the card for monetary gain. I just set a high goal and felt that if it was hit I could send out a nice prize. I paid $3k for it and yea I would have liked to been compensated considering I was donating tons of other stuff (who wouldn't?), but I see where that may have been misunderstood. AT THIS POINT I DON'T CARE AND THE CARD COULD BE DONATED. I think most of you who are negatively looking at this are grasping at straws anyway and have nothing better to do with your time. I will be heading to IL soon with what I raised and post those who helped.
Third.....The photos of the packs were 1 of 5 boxes and crates and that one box housed about 300-400 packs FYI. I did email Peon more hpotos for net54 but he posted as many as he felt needed. I dont see it necessary to take pictures of tons of coin packs.
Fourth...I am done spending my good time trying to defend my integrity against a few trolls who just like to stir up trouble.
Thanks to the good people on here who helped the cause.
Jason >>
Jason,
If you look at my history of posting on these forums, I rarely post negatively, and I have never, ever stirred up trouble. And, I am not grasping at straws. Your intentions may be 100% good, but the only thing we can see is what is posted on the boards. Your inconsistent statements and behaviors have made this whole idea questionable. I still don't see how you can say that the compensation "may have been misunderstood". How else could we interpret your words, "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle"? In my opinion, it wasn't misunderstood, it was not mentioned, at least not at first. That shows intent to defraud, or at the very least, intent to misrepresent for your personal embetterment. This misrepresentation on your part leads to mistrust on our part, since this is a purely donation activity with loose ends and loose organization.
If you look at my history of posting on these forums, I rarely post negatively, and I have never, ever stirred up trouble. And, I am not grasping at straws. Your intentions may be 100% good, but the only thing we can see is what is posted on the boards. Your inconsistent statements and behaviors have made this whole idea questionable. I still don't see how you can say that the compensation "may have been misunderstood". How else could we interpret your words, "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle"? In my opinion, it wasn't misunderstood, it was not mentioned, at least not at first. That shows intent to defraud, or at the very least, intent to misrepresent for your personal embetterment. This misrepresentation on your part leads to mistrust on our part, since this is a purely donation activity with loose ends and loose organization. >>
Don,
I don't think YOU in particular are grasping at straws. There are others here that are. I do agree with what you wrote but I think "defraud" is a strong word and I think this whole thing has been twisted and speculation has made Jason look a lot worse than necessary.
I think the sentence "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle" was inaccurate but what is he supposed to write as a sign off...? "I am looking fwd to selling an authentic 1952 Mantle for $12."? Look at it this way... If you won the Mantle and someone asked you a year from now where you got it, would you say "I bought it for $12."? Or would you say "I won it in an charity."? You would have said you won it when in reality, you didn't, you bought it. We've all agreed he should have disclosed the reimbursement issue and i think if he did, his use of "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle" would not be talked about. This is how I see it, just my opinion.
Also, not directed at you Don but, what is wrong with writing off money or objects given away to a charity? That's exactly what that tax break is for but yet someone suggests that Jason is doing this and bashes him? Yeah, that's grasping at straws.
There was no intent of defrauding anyone here and to suggest I did such is repulsive. I tried to do a good thing for my hometown in a way I can and considering the way this has turned into a circus all negative posters should be ashamed. I posted correctly that I did in fact look forward to give away a Mantle to some lucky person who paid $10 for a pack. I never said I was donating the Mantle in the opening post. If I am not charging anyone for the card I am indeed giving it away. Now I see how some people with other motives have taken that and ran with it. Lets say never mind the fact that I would be giving over $20K in value or more away besides the Mantle would be in fact. Now that this has become railed into the ground I even agree to give the Mantle away at this juncture. I do not care of any more of the non participants opinions at this point and I am done here. I cannot be productive responding to these rediculous posts anymore that keep posting stupid comments (for the select few you know who you are) and enjoy me controlling your time.
Jason
EDITED TO STATE: I AM NOT REFERRING TO DON PARTICULARLY OR SINGLING HIM OUT. SOME HAVE BEEN VERY FAIR IN JUDGEMENT. THE FEW IDIOTS ON HERE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND I AM SURE MOST OTHERS WHO READ THIS KNOW WHO THEY ARE AS WELL. THE JUVENILE COMMENTS MOST OF ALL.
<< <i> Also, not directed at you Don but, what is wrong with writing off money or objects given away to a charity? That's exactly what that tax break is for but yet someone suggests that Jason is doing this and bashes him? Yeah, that's grasping at straws.
Robert >>
Robert,
There is nothing wrong with writing off money for charity. I believe that the person who brought this up was speculating that Jason may be writing all $20,000 off as his charitable giving. Jason was going to collect our monies, then he may write one big check from his personal account. He then may be tempted to write it all off. This is not my idea, and I certainly don't think Jason was every planning to do that.
In hindsight, I do agree that "defraud" was too strong of a word. My apologies.
This thing is a complete Train wreck, can someone post the train picture.
Just like the thread from years ago, it went to hell and a handbag.
Good intentions, followed by bad explanations, followed by exposure of bad history with others, followed by inconsistant statements, followed by no one trusting the good intentions.
If you can afford a 3K card, and this is your home town, then just put the F-ing Mantle up for auction and call it a day. You even just posted last, that the Mantle could be put up for auction. Either donate it or not.
Good intentions, followed by shady actions, statements, uncovering of abusive comments, post after post doesn't give you a good appearance. I would stop posting here, as it is only going to get worse, use what you have raised to donate and call it a day.
Maybe you can do a fundraiser where you live or join a fundraiser group and help that way.
I can't see you selling another 100 packs let alone another 50. Put your efforts into another way. I don't think your a bad guy, just think there is no recovery here at this point.
I will donate my $100, plus the packs if they actually come, plus 5% of the two cards that started last night at auction. Should be around $500.
Again all this publicity should hopefully get others to donate to the cause through other avenues..
There was no intent of defrauding anyone here and to suggest I did such is repulsive. I tried to do a good thing for my hometown in a way I can and considering the way this has turned into a circus all negative posters should be ashamed. I posted correctly that I did in fact look forward to give away a Mantle to some lucky person who paid $10 for a pack. I never said I was donating the Mantle in the opening post. If I am not charging anyone for the card I am indeed giving it away. Now I see how some people with other motives have taken that and ran with it. Lets say never mind the fact that I would be giving over $20K in value or more away besides the Mantle would be in fact. Now that this has become railed into the ground I even agree to give the Mantle away at this juncture. I do not care of any more of the non participants opinions at this point and I am done here. I cannot be productive responding to these rediculous posts anymore that keep posting stupid comments (for the select few you know who you are) and enjoy me controlling your time.
Jason
EDITED TO STATE: I AM NOT REFERRING TO DON PARTICULARLY OR SINGLING HIM OUT. SOME HAVE BEEN VERY FAIR IN JUDGEMENT. THE FEW IDIOTS ON HERE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND I AM SURE MOST OTHERS WHO READ THIS KNOW WHO THEY ARE AS WELL. THE JUVENILE COMMENTS MOST OF ALL. >>
I do apologize for the "defraud" statement. I went too far.
Who is currently employed by the Canadian Red Cross. They're even more socialist than our American Red Cross because their overhead is like 23.4%. This is how Mr. Nightcrawler got his name "stinky."
Right Michael......you just keep your opinions and the cards. Feel free not to donate please. If I would have wanted to auction the Mantle I would have. I thought the idea of running $10 packs and giving away stuff to say thanks along with the Mantle for a prize would have potential to raise way more money and it would have. You do not know me or my past so to draw conclusions to a 5 year old post where any person with an IQ above 100 would understand that I was RIGHT, shows me that you are jumping in with the other juveniles on here.
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
<< <i>Right Michael......you just keep your opinions and the cards. Feel free not to donate please. If I would have wanted to auction the Mantle I would have. I thought the idea of running $10 packs and giving away stuff to say thanks along with the Mantle for a prize would have potential to raise way more money and it would have. You do not know me or my past so to draw conclusions to a 5 year old post where any person with an IQ above 100 would understand that I was RIGHT, shows me that you are jumping in with the other juveniles on here.
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
Jason >>
You sound very young...
The way you respond is such a turn off for everyone, that's why your not going to see many if anymore assistance here. You use derogatory language over and over again, if you haven't learned people don't respond very well to that.
I'm out too. Sorry this got ruined for you and by you. The people will still get help that's all that matters. Maybe try using less degrading comments if might help you in your future endeavors...
<< <i>Right Michael......you just keep your opinions and the cards. Feel free not to donate please. If I would have wanted to auction the Mantle I would have. I thought the idea of running $10 packs and giving away stuff to say thanks along with the Mantle for a prize would have potential to raise way more money and it would have. You do not know me or my past so to draw conclusions to a 5 year old post where any person with an IQ above 100 would understand that I was RIGHT, shows me that you are jumping in with the other juveniles on here.
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
Jason >>
Jason,
You need to stop these types of post. They don't help your cause.
Jason, you'd do very well to take Don and Mike's comments to heart. You can say you "have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this 'trainwreck'", but I firmly believe the only reason you still have any support there is because Leon chose to continue to endorse you (despite his admitted misgivings about the initial duplicity). Leon is extremely well respected there - his endorsement in this case helped your cause a little. He could just as easily have thrown you under the bus. Had that happened, you would have had nobody to blame but yourself.
There is nothing wrong with writing off money for charity. I believe that the person who brought this up was speculating that Jason may be writing all $20,000 off as his charitable giving. Jason was going to collect our monies, then he may write one big check from his personal account. He then may be tempted to write it all off. This is not my idea, and I certainly don't think Jason was every planning to do that.
In hindsight, I do agree that "defraud" was too strong of a word. My apologies. >>
I have been trying to find some good charities and places where the money would go directly to folks that were affected. This link brings you to a list of 8 different ways you can help by making a donation.
<< <i>Right Michael......you just keep your opinions and the cards. Feel free not to donate please. If I would have wanted to auction the Mantle I would have. I thought the idea of running $10 packs and giving away stuff to say thanks along with the Mantle for a prize would have potential to raise way more money and it would have. You do not know me or my past so to draw conclusions to a 5 year old post where any person with an IQ above 100 would understand that I was RIGHT, shows me that you are jumping in with the other juveniles on here.
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
Jason >>
Ya gotta love the "keep your opinions" statement!! I guess nobody should be able to say anything but Jason? Are we only allowed to post good posts about this issue? You have really dug yourself a hole!
I turly am thankful for Michael's donation for he had the right heart and I apologize publicly if I offended him. However, I was railed here and it went way over the top. I do stand by my comments and have no more time to put into this matter. All packs were sent in the AM. I am personally leaving for Harrisburg soon to help repair some homes etc and will be giving what was raised to a worthy need. I will post back when I can and will send what packs were recently purchased before I leave.
<< <i> Great thing your doing Greg. I just put $100 toward the cause. The video made me speechless with your daughter... Amazing, God Bless for health and happiness Mike >>
I'm not going to comment on anyone's integrity and/or comments regarding this clusteryouknowwhat. However, it occurs to me that I've found myself in some similar situations. My intentions were always good even if my thinking and my articulation were not particularly clear. So I'm sensitive to that.
What I've learned, however, is to Keep It Simple Stupid, despite good intentions and all of that. If you want to donate money, just write a check to your favorite legitimate charity - Charity Navigator is invaluable in objectively rating most of the ones of any size in the US. If you want to donate stuff, just put it in someone's truck and drive it to the closest thrift store. Period. If you want to volunteer your time, call an organization and/or show up reasonably dressed, reasonably sober and ready to take orders. Co-mingling ANYTHING is the kiss of death - money, shipping, you name it. If there's nothing else to be learned here there's at least that. Don't. Co-mingle. Ever.
I'm still not sure what's happened in this thread and I'm not going to add to either side. Flame wars are fun in other forums, but aside from the silly anti-cursing software (go ahead; type in wrist watch as one word) this place is pretty legit and there's no joy to be found choosing sides in one of these grey area misunderstandings. Fortunately, human nature dictates that someone truly stupid and evil should be showing up sooner or later to attempt a real scam, and it will be a pleasure to watch them be torn to bits.
Jason is or was selling this card below for $3k, used a charity set up by him to unload it. he at first worded the contest to make others believe he was going to give it away all you had to do is buy a gift bag,, later we found out that if 2000 gift bags were not sold or close to 2k, he would not give it away which struck me as kind of weird, and when i asked he said the count had to get close to 2000gift bags so he could take $3k out of the charity money to be eligible for the give away,,, Jason says,, well, im not making any money on this card its what i paid for it,,,, well, this wasnt disclosed up front,,, we were later being called trolls and imature for pointing out that hes an a$$ hole(there is a way around the swear police),,, so we are the trolls for him unloading a recolored, ungradible card at his price.. so your donation is being used to bail him out of a bad buy,, if you or anyone else wants to suck on that teet, go ahead,, this troll will go back under the bridge, that troll still has not disclosed where the money he collects will go beyond the $3k he will get for the mantle. His giving to charity seams admiral and i will admit if he does give the money away as stated thats fine, but selling a bad card at his price because no one wants it and placing it behind a charity is wrong.
You should also know there are members here that can’t seem to let it go and feel the need to speculate and put their own spin on things in order to bash Jason as much as possible. I wonder if they even read the original post of what he was offering and understood the rules or if they’re just looking for a lynching. Not sure.
But hey, glad you joined the party. I agree it’s best not to take sides and yes, you’re right, someone truly stupid does show up in these threads every time. It either gives you a good laugh or disgusts you…
<< <i> someone truly stupid does show up in these threads every time. It either gives you a good laugh or disgusts you…
Robert >>
Taking someone's word at face value doesn't work very well for the most part. Especially when said person has a history for doing NOT what they say.
I feel bad for what I started, but I'm not ready to blame myself here. Not sure if I ever will be??? We can all be sure everyone who's posted has some sort of regret in this matter.
The truth is that it could easily be some sort of scam, or it could easily be an honorable endeavor. No one will ever know, especially now.
For good or for bad.
One thing we know for sure is he never sent the card five years ago. And also, he was spiteful and nasty, not to mention down right strange ("the list").
And no, it's not about anyone getting anything back for they're donation. It's about the integrity and honor of the person holding everyone's donation with no transparency.
So is the accusation that Burgundy sold some trimmed cards or actually gave them a shave?
Seems strange that this keeps popping up.
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I missed most of the confusion on this thread but I HAVE received my cards and I am extremely pleased with them..If you donate the money with the right intentions then it isnt your problem to worry or speculate where the money goes after that. If you donated with the intentions of getting a '52 mantle for a $10 donation then you should reanalyze your decision. Thank you & I will make dua for blessings for all the victims and people struggling worldwide.
Talked to Jason today. He shipped most of the packages out Thursday or Friday. People should be getting them any day. He told me that mine was being shipped today.
There have been a few reports on Net 54 of people getting their grab bags and were pleasantly surprised and pleased.
I got my 5 grab bags yesterday. even got a sealed 1982 topps pack. course i opened it along with a 1987 fleer pack and a 1980s hockey pack.
if anyone who got these grab bags is going to sell some of the stuff and donate the money to charity, let me know if you would like my grab bags as well to sell for charity. Like i said i don't collect cards and know squat. PM me your addy and i'll get these cards out.
For those who were curious, here are the contents of one grab bag:
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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I just don't see how you could interpret the following line in his initial Net54 post any other way than he will be giving away a '52 Mantle and getting nothing in return for it:
Thank you all very much in advance and I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle.
I mean, how can you read that any other way? I can't even see how this would be ambiguous in the slightest way. Now he's back-tracking and over-compensating to try and clear his good name, which is eerily similar to the way he handled himself in the thread nightcrawler posted. Something about the way this guy operates leaves a lot to be desired.
Lee
<< <i>TNP777
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks
Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed.
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<< <i>read it again tell me im wrong
<< <i>I sold it to Shane and he decided he didnt want the card years back. As far as any write off that was never planned. I just wanted to donate cards to raise money is all. I dont think we will hit the mark and I would be happy to sell the Mantle later on or auction it and give part of the proceeds to my hometown if this doesnt hit close to the goal.
Thanks
Jason >>
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I'll have defend Jason on this one. The initial idea was to put the Mantle in the mix if he got up to $20K in donations. In the above quote, he is saying that even if he doesn't hit the mark of $20K, he still may sell the Mantle and give part of the proceeds to charity.
I do believe that Jason is trying to do good here, but I also believe that he may have set this up in a way to take some advantage for himself. >>
your kinda controdicting your earlier post,,, look this has gone so wishy washy back and forth,, im going to skim off the top of the proceeds to get "fair market" price the rest goes to charity,,, to,,, im donating 100% to the charity,,,,,, to now its back to selling it and only giving part of the proceeds to his charity,,, if you reread his post you will see he still intends to get paid for that mantle one way or another,,,,
let me ask you,, the business card is supposed to be in one of these2000 packages,,, does that look like 2000 packages to you?
Bigjohn,
I agree that in the middle somewhere he did say that he would donate it no matter what. But, again, he had a threshold of getting 2000 packs sold, which I believe he only has 120 sold. This way to fishy for me, and in my opinion, I give this a 50/50 chance of being legit.
In a few months, I wouldn't be surprised if we see pictures of Jason putting on a new roof with everyone's money and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it was a scam.
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<< <i>TNP777
There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks
Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed. >>
yes, case in point,, someone came on here and asked him if he was mailing out the gift bags already and the business card was in one of them, why should anyone other than giving to a charity, buy a gift bag,, buttt,, he later posts,, if the count doesnt come close to the original 2000 he will take the mantle and sell it at auction and take part of the proceeds,,,,, you see what im getting at. ,, either the first 120 are out of getting the mantle orrrr the next 1880 people are
Then he said he might do that.
This things a mess case closed.
Maybe as a group we can start another thread, with a link to a good charity that we all feel confident about.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Him donating the Mantle or part of it, was offered as a suggestion by me.
Then he said he might do that.
This things a mess case closed.
Maybe as a group we can start another thread, with a link to a good charity that we all feel confident about. >>
i'll agree to that case close part,, but must correct one this hes not donating it hes unloading it and getting paid for it at your expense,, its your money i know,, go for it,, shoulda left the mantle out of the deal altogether, wouldnt have made him look like a sham. edit: all i can say is , what a way to unload a card nobody wants at his price of 3k,,
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There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks
Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed. >>
yes, case in point,, someone came on here and asked him if he was mailing out the gift bags already and the business card was in one of them, why should anyone other than giving to a charity, buy a gift bag,, buttt,, he later posts,, if the count doesnt come close to the original 2000 he will take the mantle and sell it at auction and take part of the proceeds,,,,, you see what im getting at. >>
BIgJohn,
Please don't think that I am arguing with you or even disagreeing with you, because I am not. No matter what the inconsistent details are, I think we can both agree that something isn't right here. I think Lee did a good job explaining how it doesn't appear to be 100% selfish, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be 100% selfless either. With a charity offering like this, it has to be 100% selfless. In fact, to do it right, it has to be more than 100% selfless.
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There are 2000 packs made up now as we speak........one of them has my business card that says "1952 Mickey Mantle" on the back. These are inserted and sealed in yellow coin envelopes. This keeps it fair and I do not even know where the business card is. I have processed around 120 packs so far for paid donations. I have no idea if it could be in those or not. Chances are about 6%. If it happens to be, then that person receives the Mantle considering the remaining 1880 sell. I wanted to ship these all at once, considering it may go out early and someone post it. That may pretty much kill any chance of more being sold for this cause. But now considering how things have evolved I feel it necessary to ship what is paid for tomorrow.
Thanks
Jason >>
Big John....I think the pic is of the 120 packs he already processed. >>
yes, case in point,, someone came on here and asked him if he was mailing out the gift bags already and the business card was in one of them, why should anyone other than giving to a charity, buy a gift bag,, buttt,, he later posts,, if the count doesnt come close to the original 2000 he will take the mantle and sell it at auction and take part of the proceeds,,,,, you see what im getting at. >>
BIgJohn,
Please don't think that I am arguing with you or even disagreeing with you, because I am not. No matter what the inconsistent details are, I think we can both agree that something isn't right here. I think Lee did a good job explaining how it doesn't appear to be 100% selfish, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be 100% selfless either. With a charity offering like this, it has to be 100% selfless. In fact, to do it right, it has to be more than 100% selfless. >>
i will agree to that,, i read post on this forum all the time how people are getting screwed by ebay sellers or buyers,,"add him to your block bidders list" and all,, but you guys have a whole another out look when it comes to charity work and that makes you guys rank up there with buddahh to me,, but because of the words charity you are drinking his kool-aid and excepting it him as legit and all im saying is when you lie once in the court of law and it is brought out it makes you look like everything you say is not right,,, i would love to know that all this money is going to someone who he walks up to out of the blue and asked, "do you have insurance" and if they say no he will at this point hand them all donations, or part of the donations after he unloads that mantle at his price,, his head may be in the right place for the needy but the deceat makes me wonder and for that im out,,,,
<< <i> Maybe as a group we can start another thread, with a link to a good charity that we all feel confident about. >>
I like this. But I'm very biased. :-)
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<< <i>Red Cross is fine but I wanted my $$ to be 100% spent with the victims........not watered down to pay for payrolls. >>
<< <i>If you want 100% of what you donate to go to the victims I would find someone besides the Red Cross pal. >>
Comments like these sound like bashing to me.
You're insinuation that Red Cross employees aren't worthy of being paid is insulting at best.
It should be watered down with a Mantle rather???
My biggest problem is still the fact that no one will know who the money goes to, if anyone. Allthough you mentioned an organization.
Or how much money you'll donate as opposed to how much you made. Allthough you mentioned the amount several times.
It's just a big question mark.
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<< <i>Red Cross is fine but I wanted my $$ to be 100% spent with the victims........not watered down to pay for payrolls. >>
<< <i>If you want 100% of what you donate to go to the victims I would find someone besides the Red Cross pal. >>
Comments like these sound like bashing to me.
You're insinuation that Red Cross employees aren't worthy of being paid is insulting at best.
It should be watered down with a Mantle rather???
My biggest problem is still the fact that no one will know who the money goes to, if anyone. Allthough you mentioned an organization.
Or how much money you'll donate as opposed to how much you made. Allthough you mentioned the amount several times.
It's just a big question mark. >>
you're just an angry demonic smurf - you need to come to the full realization that nothing you say will be taken seriously.
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<< <i>you're just an angry demonic smurf - you need to come to the full realization that nothing you say will be taken seriously.
They call me skincrawler.
<< <i>Where's Ron Burgandy? >>
Skincrawler ate him...
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<< <i>you're just an angry demonic smurf - you need to come to the full realization that nothing you say will be taken seriously.
They call me skincrawler. >>
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Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Secondly, I DO NOT NEED the Mantle so I felt this would be a high end card that would help move alot of packs fast. I wasnt trying to unload the card for monetary gain. I just set a high goal and felt that if it was hit I could send out a nice prize. I paid $3k for it and yea I would have liked to been compensated considering I was donating tons of other stuff (who wouldn't?), but I see where that may have been misunderstood. AT THIS POINT I DON'T CARE AND THE CARD COULD BE DONATED. I think most of you who are negatively looking at this are grasping at straws anyway and have nothing better to do with your time. I will be heading to IL soon with what I raised and post those who helped.
Third.....The photos of the packs were 1 of 5 boxes and crates and that one box housed about 300-400 packs FYI. I did email Peon more hpotos for net54 but he posted as many as he felt needed. I dont see it necessary to take pictures of tons of coin packs.
Fourth...I am done spending my good time trying to defend my integrity against a few trolls who just like to stir up trouble.
Thanks to the good people on here who helped the cause.
Jason
<< <i>First I want to say bishop thanks for your generous donation.
Secondly, I DO NOT NEED the Mantle so I felt this would be a high end card that would help move alot of packs fast. I wasnt trying to unload the card for monetary gain. I just set a high goal and felt that if it was hit I could send out a nice prize. I paid $3k for it and yea I would have liked to been compensated considering I was donating tons of other stuff (who wouldn't?), but I see where that may have been misunderstood. AT THIS POINT I DON'T CARE AND THE CARD COULD BE DONATED. I think most of you who are negatively looking at this are grasping at straws anyway and have nothing better to do with your time. I will be heading to IL soon with what I raised and post those who helped.
Third.....The photos of the packs were 1 of 5 boxes and crates and that one box housed about 300-400 packs FYI. I did email Peon more hpotos for net54 but he posted as many as he felt needed. I dont see it necessary to take pictures of tons of coin packs.
Fourth...I am done spending my good time trying to defend my integrity against a few trolls who just like to stir up trouble.
Thanks to the good people on here who helped the cause.
Jason >>
Jason,
If you look at my history of posting on these forums, I rarely post negatively, and I have never, ever stirred up trouble. And, I am not grasping at straws. Your intentions may be 100% good, but the only thing we can see is what is posted on the boards. Your inconsistent statements and behaviors have made this whole idea questionable. I still don't see how you can say that the compensation "may have been misunderstood". How else could we interpret your words, "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle"? In my opinion, it wasn't misunderstood, it was not mentioned, at least not at first. That shows intent to defraud, or at the very least, intent to misrepresent for your personal embetterment. This misrepresentation on your part leads to mistrust on our part, since this is a purely donation activity with loose ends and loose organization.
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Jason,
If you look at my history of posting on these forums, I rarely post negatively, and I have never, ever stirred up trouble. And, I am not grasping at straws. Your intentions may be 100% good, but the only thing we can see is what is posted on the boards. Your inconsistent statements and behaviors have made this whole idea questionable. I still don't see how you can say that the compensation "may have been misunderstood". How else could we interpret your words, "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle"? In my opinion, it wasn't misunderstood, it was not mentioned, at least not at first. That shows intent to defraud, or at the very least, intent to misrepresent for your personal embetterment. This misrepresentation on your part leads to mistrust on our part, since this is a purely donation activity with loose ends and loose organization. >>
Don,
I don't think YOU in particular are grasping at straws. There are others here that are. I do agree with what you wrote but I think "defraud" is a strong word and I think this whole thing has been twisted and speculation has made Jason look a lot worse than necessary.
I think the sentence "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle" was inaccurate but what is he supposed to write as a sign off...? "I am looking fwd to selling an authentic 1952 Mantle for $12."? Look at it this way... If you won the Mantle and someone asked you a year from now where you got it, would you say "I bought it for $12."? Or would you say "I won it in an charity."? You would have said you won it when in reality, you didn't, you bought it. We've all agreed he should have disclosed the reimbursement issue and i think if he did, his use of "I am looking forward to giving away an authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle" would not be talked about. This is how I see it, just my opinion.
Also, not directed at you Don but, what is wrong with writing off money or objects given away to a charity? That's exactly what that tax break is for but yet someone suggests that Jason is doing this and bashes him? Yeah, that's grasping at straws.
Robert
There was no intent of defrauding anyone here and to suggest I did such is repulsive. I tried to do a good thing for my hometown in a way I can and considering the way this has turned into a circus all negative posters should be ashamed. I posted correctly that I did in fact look forward to give away a Mantle to some lucky person who paid $10 for a pack. I never said I was donating the Mantle in the opening post. If I am not charging anyone for the card I am indeed giving it away. Now I see how some people with other motives have taken that and ran with it. Lets say never mind the fact that I would be giving over $20K in value or more away besides the Mantle would be in fact. Now that this has become railed into the ground I even agree to give the Mantle away at this juncture. I do not care of any more of the non participants opinions at this point and I am done here. I cannot be productive responding to these rediculous posts anymore that keep posting stupid comments (for the select few you know who you are) and enjoy me controlling your time.
Jason
EDITED TO STATE: I AM NOT REFERRING TO DON PARTICULARLY OR SINGLING HIM OUT. SOME HAVE BEEN VERY FAIR IN JUDGEMENT. THE FEW IDIOTS ON HERE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND I AM SURE MOST OTHERS WHO READ THIS KNOW WHO THEY ARE AS WELL. THE JUVENILE COMMENTS MOST OF ALL.
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Also, not directed at you Don but, what is wrong with writing off money or objects given away to a charity? That's exactly what that tax break is for but yet someone suggests that Jason is doing this and bashes him? Yeah, that's grasping at straws.
Robert >>
Robert,
There is nothing wrong with writing off money for charity. I believe that the person who brought this up was speculating that Jason may be writing all $20,000 off as his charitable giving. Jason was going to collect our monies, then he may write one big check from his personal account. He then may be tempted to write it all off. This is not my idea, and I certainly don't think Jason was every planning to do that.
In hindsight, I do agree that "defraud" was too strong of a word. My apologies.
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Just like the thread from years ago, it went to hell and a handbag.
Good intentions, followed by bad explanations, followed by exposure of bad history with others, followed by inconsistant statements, followed by no one trusting the good intentions.
If you can afford a 3K card, and this is your home town, then just put the F-ing Mantle up for auction and call it a day. You even just posted last, that the Mantle could be put up for auction. Either donate it or not.
Good intentions, followed by shady actions, statements, uncovering of abusive comments, post after post doesn't give you a good appearance. I would stop posting here, as it is only going to get worse, use what you have raised to donate and call it a day.
Maybe you can do a fundraiser where you live or join a fundraiser group and help that way.
I can't see you selling another 100 packs let alone another 50. Put your efforts into another way. I don't think your a bad guy, just think there is no recovery here at this point.
I will donate my $100, plus the packs if they actually come, plus 5% of the two cards that started last night at auction. Should be around $500.
Again all this publicity should hopefully get others to donate to the cause through other avenues..
Mike
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Don
There was no intent of defrauding anyone here and to suggest I did such is repulsive. I tried to do a good thing for my hometown in a way I can and considering the way this has turned into a circus all negative posters should be ashamed. I posted correctly that I did in fact look forward to give away a Mantle to some lucky person who paid $10 for a pack. I never said I was donating the Mantle in the opening post. If I am not charging anyone for the card I am indeed giving it away. Now I see how some people with other motives have taken that and ran with it. Lets say never mind the fact that I would be giving over $20K in value or more away besides the Mantle would be in fact. Now that this has become railed into the ground I even agree to give the Mantle away at this juncture. I do not care of any more of the non participants opinions at this point and I am done here. I cannot be productive responding to these rediculous posts anymore that keep posting stupid comments (for the select few you know who you are) and enjoy me controlling your time.
Jason
EDITED TO STATE: I AM NOT REFERRING TO DON PARTICULARLY OR SINGLING HIM OUT. SOME HAVE BEEN VERY FAIR IN JUDGEMENT. THE FEW IDIOTS ON HERE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND I AM SURE MOST OTHERS WHO READ THIS KNOW WHO THEY ARE AS WELL. THE JUVENILE COMMENTS MOST OF ALL. >>
I do apologize for the "defraud" statement. I went too far.
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<< <i>They call me skincrawler. >>
Who is currently employed by the Canadian Red Cross. They're even more socialist than our American Red Cross because their overhead is like 23.4%. This is how Mr. Nightcrawler got his name "stinky."
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
Jason
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<< <i> Maybe as a group we can start another thread, with a link to a good charity that we all feel confident about. >>
I like this. But I'm very biased. :-) >>
Great thing your doing Greg. I just put $100 toward the cause. The video made me speechless with your daughter...
Amazing,
God Bless for health and happiness
Mike
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Right Michael......you just keep your opinions and the cards. Feel free not to donate please. If I would have wanted to auction the Mantle I would have. I thought the idea of running $10 packs and giving away stuff to say thanks along with the Mantle for a prize would have potential to raise way more money and it would have. You do not know me or my past so to draw conclusions to a 5 year old post where any person with an IQ above 100 would understand that I was RIGHT, shows me that you are jumping in with the other juveniles on here.
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
Jason >>
You sound very young...
The way you respond is such a turn off for everyone, that's why your not going to see many if anymore assistance here. You use derogatory language over and over again, if you haven't learned people don't respond very well to that.
I'm out too. Sorry this got ruined for you and by you. The people will still get help that's all that matters. Maybe try using less degrading comments if might help you in your future endeavors...
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Right Michael......you just keep your opinions and the cards. Feel free not to donate please. If I would have wanted to auction the Mantle I would have. I thought the idea of running $10 packs and giving away stuff to say thanks along with the Mantle for a prize would have potential to raise way more money and it would have. You do not know me or my past so to draw conclusions to a 5 year old post where any person with an IQ above 100 would understand that I was RIGHT, shows me that you are jumping in with the other juveniles on here.
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
Jason >>
Jason,
You need to stop these types of post. They don't help your cause.
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Robert,
There is nothing wrong with writing off money for charity. I believe that the person who brought this up was speculating that Jason may be writing all $20,000 off as his charitable giving. Jason was going to collect our monies, then he may write one big check from his personal account. He then may be tempted to write it all off. This is not my idea, and I certainly don't think Jason was every planning to do that.
In hindsight, I do agree that "defraud" was too strong of a word. My apologies. >>
Don,
No apology necessary, I've got no beef with you.
Robert
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<< <i>Right Michael......you just keep your opinions and the cards. Feel free not to donate please. If I would have wanted to auction the Mantle I would have. I thought the idea of running $10 packs and giving away stuff to say thanks along with the Mantle for a prize would have potential to raise way more money and it would have. You do not know me or my past so to draw conclusions to a 5 year old post where any person with an IQ above 100 would understand that I was RIGHT, shows me that you are jumping in with the other juveniles on here.
BTW I have had several new donations on net54 thanks to this "trainwreck" over here considering they know me for who I am and the business I conduct. Thanks for the press and keep it up. I'm out!
Jason >>
Ya gotta love the "keep your opinions" statement!! I guess nobody should be able to say anything but Jason? Are we only allowed to post good posts about this issue? You have really dug yourself a hole!
Jason
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Great thing your doing Greg. I just put $100 toward the cause. The video made me speechless with your daughter...
Amazing,
God Bless for health and happiness
Mike >>
Thanks for the kind words and donation, Mike.
A dear friend of the family built this site for Brooklyn and her cause --
DonateYourCoffeeMoney.org
What I've learned, however, is to Keep It Simple Stupid, despite good intentions and all of that. If you want to donate money, just write a check to your favorite legitimate charity - Charity Navigator is invaluable in objectively rating most of the ones of any size in the US. If you want to donate stuff, just put it in someone's truck and drive it to the closest thrift store. Period. If you want to volunteer your time, call an organization and/or show up reasonably dressed, reasonably sober and ready to take orders. Co-mingling ANYTHING is the kiss of death - money, shipping, you name it. If there's nothing else to be learned here there's at least that. Don't. Co-mingle. Ever.
I'm still not sure what's happened in this thread and I'm not going to add to either side. Flame wars are fun in other forums, but aside from the silly anti-cursing software (go ahead; type in wrist watch as one word) this place is pretty legit and there's no joy to be found choosing sides in one of these grey area misunderstandings. Fortunately, human nature dictates that someone truly stupid and evil should be showing up sooner or later to attempt a real scam, and it will be a pleasure to watch them be torn to bits.
in a nutshell(no pun intended)
Jason is or was selling this card below for $3k, used a charity set up by him to unload it. he at first worded the contest to make others believe he was going to give it away all you had to do is buy a gift bag,, later we found out that if 2000 gift bags were not sold or close to 2k, he would not give it away which struck me as kind of weird, and when i asked he said the count had to get close to 2000gift bags so he could take $3k out of the charity money to be eligible for the give away,,, Jason says,, well, im not making any money on this card its what i paid for it,,,, well, this wasnt disclosed up front,,, we were later being called trolls and imature for pointing out that hes an a$$ hole(there is a way around the swear police),,, so we are the trolls for him unloading a recolored, ungradible card at his price.. so your donation is being used to bail him out of a bad buy,, if you or anyone else wants to suck on that teet, go ahead,, this troll will go back under the bridge, that troll still has not disclosed where the money he collects will go beyond the $3k he will get for the mantle. His giving to charity seams admiral and i will admit if he does give the money away as stated thats fine, but selling a bad card at his price because no one wants it and placing it behind a charity is wrong.
You should also know there are members here that can’t seem to let it go and feel the need to speculate and put their own spin on things in order to bash Jason as much as possible. I wonder if they even read the original post of what he was offering and understood the rules or if they’re just looking for a lynching. Not sure.
But hey, glad you joined the party. I agree it’s best not to take sides and yes, you’re right, someone truly stupid does show up in these threads every time. It either gives you a good laugh or disgusts you…
Robert
<< <i> someone truly stupid does show up in these threads every time. It either gives you a good laugh or disgusts you…
Robert >>
Taking someone's word at face value doesn't work very well for the most part. Especially when said person has a history for doing NOT what they say.
I feel bad for what I started, but I'm not ready to blame myself here. Not sure if I ever will be??? We can all be sure everyone who's posted has some sort of regret in this matter.
The truth is that it could easily be some sort of scam, or it could easily be an honorable endeavor. No one will ever know, especially now.
For good or for bad.
One thing we know for sure is he never sent the card five years ago. And also, he was spiteful and nasty, not to mention down right strange ("the list").
And no, it's not about anyone getting anything back for they're donation. It's about the integrity and honor of the person holding everyone's donation with no transparency.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Where's Ron Burgandy? >>
Trimming and selling cards.
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<< <i>Where's Ron Burgandy? >>
Trimming and selling cards. >>
I have seen this pop up several times on here.
So is the accusation that Burgundy sold some trimmed cards or actually gave them a shave?
Seems strange that this keeps popping up.
There have been a few reports on Net 54 of people getting their grab bags and were pleasantly surprised and pleased.
Shane
if anyone who got these grab bags is going to sell some of the stuff and donate the money to charity, let me know if you would like my grab bags as well to sell for charity. Like i said i don't collect cards and know squat. PM me your addy and i'll get these cards out.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Get me in contact with a real family. I want to talk to them on the phone. Then I'll western union somemoney over....
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"