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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    one hunderd. and two.
  • mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    i get the misunderstanding, and unlike many here i see both sides. best possible solution now is for that 1k go to one of the many outstanding charities out there that help pay for college to those who have no other choice, and no other options. win-win for everyone, and we can all stop being drama queens about what is in essence a rich man's problem.


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    << <i>It might be good for everyone to just take a deep breath. It's not like Ron Burgundy is selling trimmed cards or anything. >>

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    Excuse me, sir. The elephant at the end of the bar would like to buy you a drink. >>

    Now that's funny! >>



    on the bright side it's nice to see stone193 back!
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hiya Jasen

    That was very kind of you! It was actually something very similar to this that brought me back - in essence: there's way more good than not - so keep posting and drink heavily! image
    Mike
  • best possible solution now is for that 1k go to one of the many outstanding charities out there

    I think this is a GREAT idea!! I'm pretty sure Trent isnt going to take that money knowing what we ALL know now and maybe the dust has settled. Maybe both of these EXCELLENT board members can do this - Let Trent decide what charity Mike should send it to. That way BOTH come out as winners.

    Trent - Mad props to help out someone like this in time of need. $1000!!! I cant say I could be THAT generous but Id like to think so when the time comes. This man is NOT an Indian Giver.

    And Mike - You are a pretty awesome member, always looking at how to bring everyone closer. Always extending your hand out as you mentioned. I agree.

    Both guys are class-act in my book.

    Shake?
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    For whatever reason I was under the impression that money was being collected for the kids college. In this day the loss of a partners income (let alone the tragedy of losing your partner and your kids mother) would affect most families even if it's just a lifestyle adjustment. To be honest when Mike shared his most recent purchase it did cross my mind about the collecting $, but came and went quickly, I didn't even contribute, although I was touched by his story and posts. I was also under the impression that he was selling off some big cards and subconsciously I assumed it was because he needed the $.

    I think it's sad that this has come to where it has. I can see how Trent thought that it meant "please feel free to send money to help the kids get through college, as now it will be a struggle." ...as Doug said, I tend to agree. I mean $1000.00 buys a lot of flowers (I'm not being sarcastic or trying to sound crass).

    Would I ask for a $1k back after giving it to someone? I don't think I would but I wouldn't be in the position to give that as a gift anyways. If I was under the misunderstanding that my donation was not used for the intended purchase I would probably also be PO'd and pretty angry.

    With all that said, I don't think Mike did anything wrong or was evasive about taking donations. As mentioned others who cared (and rightly so felt that we would also care) about Mike's situation posted it. The guy just went through a horrible situation and the accounting of donations from his wifes funeral was probably not top of mind!

    I hope this can somehow be worked out between you two.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great suggestions!

    I have to say - this is the most civil fray I've ever encountered in my 8 years here.

    Sorta like watching a 'chick flic' - image

    And now to my son's birthday - he's 29 today - I'm very proud of him!
    Mike
  • BlackieBlackie Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭
    Happy Birthday to Stones son!!!

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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Lol @ "Indiana giver". That's a pretty big insult, even if accidental. >>



    true dat.

    Origin

    Indian giver derives from the alleged practise of American Indians of taking back gifts from white settlers. It is more likely that the settlers wrongly interpreted the Indians' loans to them as gifts. This term, which is certainly American, may have been coined to denigrate of the native race. Historians would now agree that, where deceit was concerned, it was the settlers who were the front runners. It isn't uncommon, and it could be argued that it is customary, for the conquering race to attempt to justify their invasion by dismissing the conquered as dishonest and stupid.
  • heritageheritage Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭


    Why does this matter. If your giving to someone, it should be coming from the heart, and not because someone has 1 dollar or 1 million dollars. The request to donate to kids college fund in lieu of sending flowers is frankly a standard practice today.

    I really don't understand the constant back and forth that exists on these boards. We are on this forum to talk, show and learn about a hobby we are all passionate about. What ever happened to the pure unadulterated joy of collecting?

    Mike, it would be a HUGE shame if you allowed this incident to run you from these boards. This forum needs more people like yourself that are passionate about the hobby, but more so passionate about life in general. You have gone out of your way lately to make these boards a better place. I might not participate in everything you do, but I notice your efforts, and I appreciate them!



    Matt, very well said!
  • The only part I am editing out of the PM's is the next few sentences I am writing. I thought he was asking about my background and how I was able to buy cards like I have been. Hence the reason I gave him a brief explanation of my career path. I didn't realize until today that he was basically accusing me and "my friends of scamming money".

    What's also funny as you can read is I was the one giving him gifts for him making a donation to someone else's charity, that I had already donated to. I sent him out cards, including a 77 topps wax pack, and more. And yes this was 1 month before my wife passed. This is completely all the PM's between him and I, and nothing has been taken out except for his address and my phone number.

    Start at the bottom...


    Trent give me a call so we can resolve this.






    miconelegacy
    Date Posted: Feb/11/2012 4:35 PM
    Give me a call Trent.

    Thanks,








    miconelegacy
    Date Posted: Feb/11/2012 1:27 PM
    Huh?

    Really?

    That's what you think?






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Feb/11/2012 1:10 PM
    I'd like you to refund me, that's what I'd like.

    You posted threads in order to pull at all our heart strings, and then once that was all done you had a buddy or an alt post a thread asking for money.

    What kind of guy uses a personal loss to suck money out of people? Claiming it's for your kids college fund, then you proceed to spend thousands of dollars on cards.

    I say your greedy, and I'm all about the needy.






    miconelegacy
    Date Posted: Feb/10/2012 6:38 AM
    Now you know why I give back to others as everyone has given me so much love and support including you.

    I need to get a few contest going today...

    When I say I carry guilt from everyone's help, I really do. It's my own issues that I'm working on.

    Hope you have a great day.

    Mike






    miconelegacy
    Date Posted: Feb/10/2012 6:31 AM
    Simply...

    16 dropped out of high school to work 50 hours a week. Was making $500/week for a gift certificate sales company.

    By 18 I was selling lawn care and horticulture services.

    At 19 made almost 40k.

    By the time I was 21 I was managing other sales reps and made 59k that year.

    Finally after working in several sales and marketing agencies, I found the insurance business at 23. I went down in income which was hard at first. 49, 89, 105, etc,etc.

    From fall of 2007 to basically last year I owned and served as VP with a marketing agency. My business partner and I had grew at our best to 5 offices and 120 reps.

    Thank god for all that as it allowed me to work from home a lot and care for my wife before she passed. Plus she left some money when going to heaven.

    So I have some, but I'm not happy. The whole money doesn't buy happiness is absolutely true. I'd give up every dime to have her back.

    On top of that I day trade and have done very well the last several months. So I'm building some hard assets for the future.

    I also have nothing to hide and am always open, honest, and trustworthy. What you see is what you get.

    Take care,






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Feb/10/2012 4:52 AM
    You're obviously quite well off Mike, and quite well invested.

    What business do you or any of your friends have posting a link to your bank info asking for handouts from board memebers?

    There are others in this world that are in need of this type of charity.

    What's the deal with that?






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Jan/22/2012 9:27 PM
    Thanks for your reply Mike, you're an amazing person.

    I ended up travelling almost all weekend or I would have replied sooner.

    Stay well guy, you're in my prayers.


    Trent






    miconelegacy
    Date Posted: Jan/20/2012 1:59 PM
    Trent,

    I can't believe you did that for my kids college, that was way to much. I am gracious and humbled at people, their love, and everyone's support in my life.

    This has been hard, we are getting through it that best we can. I have 3 amazing children to be thankful for, and so many other gifts my wife left me. She really made me a better person. I am proud to have had her as long as I did.

    For now we take one day at a time. I am taking at least this year to help other people with my time. I am currently working on a foundation called Strength to Inspire. It's not about breast cancer, or anything specific when it comes to diseases or sickness.

    The simply way to put it, it is an extreme home makeover version of when someone is terminally ill.

    So when someone has a spouse, a child, etc that has been given couple of months or a couple of weeks to live, I want to have a team of people go into that persons life and help them in anyway possible.

    There is no way I could have made it if it wasn't for everyone I know. My kids teachers came to our house and played with my kids in their rooms. The principles did too. I had pumkins put on my doorsteps. My kids had play dates everyday for my wifes final days. I had more people in and out of my house when it came down to her last 10 days when it got really bad.

    I witnessed things that cause me horror to think about, I half to block them out at how bad her suffering was. Thank the lord I had friends and family with me, church friends, a couple pastors, and a monster town, community, etc to help. My wifes story was known to many because I shared it openly as a coping process and because we have such young kids, and she was so yound to die from breast cancer.

    So what about the people that aren't as open as I am, who don't have as many friends or family close by. What if someone needs there kids to have play dates, needs medicine, food, clothing, to get away for a lunch or dinner, needs to talk, needs hospice help, beds, wheelchairs, oxygen, pain meds, love, support, help.

    I want to be there with a team of people that I have already lined up to impact those peoples life's when it's down to the wire and they are freaking out, and don't know how they are going to make it. I have the ability in my heart and mind, I have the Strength to Inspire others, and that's what I plan to do at least for this year, maybe, hopefully forever.

    Start locally at first and let it spread. I could see this going nationally someday, but the main reason is to give others what I had. Support, Love, and help.

    Thank you again Trent, that was amazing. All the money went straight into their college accounts I have with ING.

    I appreciate you.

    Take care,

    Mike






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Jan/20/2012 1:06 PM
    I wish I didn't say anything, sorry.






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Jan/19/2012 11:12 PM
    Mike I apologize for not having posted about the gift you sent me... yet. I will eventually.

    When you lost your wife I felt so bad for you and your kids, I kind of froze up on that 'thank you' post.

    Some things mean so much to me I lose the ability to find words, your loss and your demeaner here on the board makes you one of those things.

    I don't feel comfortable saying this, but I hope you recieved the two $500 dollar money orders to your account. I wanted to add to yours kids' collage fund. I didn't mean for it to make anything uncomfortable in any way.

    The sad thing for me is that I know in my heart that any time I do anything for anyone, it's really just for me. To make me feel good in some way. But I say to myself, "if I do something for me, but it helps someone else out.. that can't be all wrong".


    Cheers Mike, I hope you and your kids are able to find happiness.





    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Oct/10/2011 2:57 PM
    Thanks much for the gift Mike, that was very kind of you.

    I'll add a thanks to the thread later, maybe tomorrow when I get home and log in from my pc instead of my cell phone, lol.

    Thanks again, Trent






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Sep/29/2011 8:17 AM
    I'm really at a loss for words about your wife. My prayers go out to her and you too. Stay well.






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Sep/29/2011 8:10 AM
    Thanks again Mike, I'll let you an dthe board know as soon as your gift arrives, cheers.

    All the motivation I'll ever need.






    miconelegacy
    Date Posted: Sep/24/2011 2:56 PM
    Hey Trent I haven't forgotten about your donation. I have a nice little package ready to ship out to you. It will go out Monday.

    For shipping to you, do I just list it as you sent me? I don't ship to Canada to often.

    Sorry for the delay my wife has been in and out of the hospital. Yesterday she got admitted again, that's the fourth time in 3 weeks.

    Take care,

    Sent you a few cool things too!

    Mike






    nightcrawler
    Date Posted: Sep/11/2011 7:56 AM
    What??? Thanks Mike

    I'm Trent, cheers man.











    miconelegacy
    Date Posted: Sep/11/2011 7:00 AM
    Pm me your shipping info, and I'll get a some cards out to you.

    Thanks,

    Mike
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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    Not sure why we needed to see all the back and forth PMs published. I think those should be private between the two of you. But since they're out there now, what I see are two good people I hope we don't lose from the boards. I think there was a simple misunderstanding here, and I hope you two can just pick up the phone and talk this thing out.
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  • I just don't want there to be another mention of me doing, trying, or anything of the sort to get or scam money.

    This whole thing makes me sick. And the 40 plus PM's show me the support, but I show you facts and truth. I don't lie or cheat, and when someone question's that I take it very seriously. More serious than a lot of things.

    I am done posting here, but you now have the facts, and I feel better for it.
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not sure why we needed to see all the back and forth PMs published. >>



    I think someone mentioned they thought the PM was taken out of context.

    Mike, I hope you stick around man.
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭
    people need to learn what the word "private" actually means...

    and... when to use pm's

    all of this is very unnecessary...


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  • << <i>Lol @ "Indiana giver". That's a pretty big insult, even if accidental.

    And those Sox Fans above this post are smmmokkkkkin. >>



    sorry bout that, " Native American giver",, pc, gotta love it,, ment as written,, tell him to go kick the dog , move on,, image,, j
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  • NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    No one is at fault. It was a big misunderstanding. Someone acted selflessly and someone was in need of support.
    Nikklos


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    << <i>Who is Brent? I thought I was following pretty well until that >>



    Stop iPhone smart type silly >>



    Understood, I hate that feature on the IPAD. Would someone mind sharing how to turn that feature off for those of us like myself that are technoliogically challenged? >>



    i have a good way to fix that function but you aint gonna like it, lol, also it might effect the way the rest of your phone would work, or not work,,, lololololol,, step one, find a wall, step two,, throw said object at step one, ,, lololol,,j
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  • << <i>What is truly sad is that someone actually thinks that I set up a scam of sorts. I didn't even start the thread. >>



    Mike are you telling us that the thread starter just happened to know all your personal banking info, and just out of the blue posted it without contacting you? I said it couldn't have been posted without you. And I never said it was scam. Stop twisting the words for dramatic effect.

    Anyway, where I come from people set these types of charities for people in desperate need. And I've never heard of it anytime other than that. And I do care if you have one or one million, sorry but I do.

    Your insinuations of why you started this thread are bs. You want to burn me at the stake, it's just that simple. So what if I phone you... are you going to try and talk me out of the way I think by twisting everything so it suits your dramatic needs? And then post a sound bit of the conversation here???


    Instead of refunding my contribution how about donate it to LIVESTRONG on Barry's page this summer.
  • I will certainly do that just like I have the last two years. I think you should still call me. If I tell the truth and am as honest as I say then I think you should call me. I won't post a word. You have my number I'm up.

    Edit: I will make my normal donation to Livestrong. You will need to provide me proof of your donation to my kids college funds. I don't have anyway of knowing. So you'll have to provide that for me to donate your 1k as you say.

    Thanks Trent.
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  • << <i> I don't have anyway of knowing. So you'll have to provide that for me to donate your 1k as you say. >>




    Now you're saying you have no way of looking at you savings account info? It was sent the day after the thread was started, in the form of two $500 dollar money orders.


  • << <i>You will need to provide me proof of your donation to my kids college funds. I don't have anyway of knowing. So you'll have to provide that for me to donate your 1k as you say. >>




    I really wasn't expecting that response. Tell you what, just do whatever you think is right.
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  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭
    stay classy everybody!!!


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  • << <i> I don't know who's are who's. >>



    How many double $500 dollar deposits do you get?

    And I'm not drunk. Why are you looking for a way to back out now?


    Anonymous deposits for $500, two at the same time.. How many Mike, why are you playing this card now?
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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    GEEZE ... come on guys ... let's not make this any worse than it is ... you are both good guys ... it was a HUGE misunderstanding ... Trent ... pick up the phone ... you have Mike's # ... talk it out ... OK?
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • BlackieBlackie Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭
    I agree stay classy..........going to far
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  • mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Some strange whack job who is known for being a drunk >>



    awesome. love how these boards stay classy.
  • *and no offense to piecesofme, who is a fine Hoosier-American and a good PM horsetrader over on the PM board.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>awesome. love how these boards stay classy. >>



    Class was thrown out the window with Trent's first PM.
  • EchoCanyonEchoCanyon Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭
    I know nightcrawler (Trent) and miconelegacy (Mike) strictly from the boards. Two stand-up guys -- and that’s why this has been so painful to read. It really has. I was going to stay on the sideline (probably the best advice), but wanted/needed to share a story.

    Let me take you all back a couple of years. In 2010, my 4 ½ year old needed open-heart surgery to fix a large hole that was discovered in her heart. The operation was a huge success and as you can imagine, the experience changed our family forever. We vowed to do all we could to help the hospital. Last year, I posted a link – on these very boards – to a charity walk my family was doing for the hospital that saved my daughter’s life.

    It was a simple request that we asked of all our family and friends. Please give up your latte frappacinos for just one day, and donate that money. In essence, we were asking for 5 bucks. Some gave 5. Some gave 10. Some gave more, much more. All in all, we raised around 10k.

    The single largest donation was from a name neither my wife nor I knew. For days we wondered who the person was. I channeled my inner Sherlock Holmes and finally discovered it was Trent. Although I know many CU nicknames, I hardly know any first names.

    I was floored then and am floored now thinking about it. That a total stranger would give, and give SO MUCH.

    I sent him a heartfelt PM and his PM back was simply full of good thoughts and prayers for my daughter. But the last line blew me away. He wrote, “….I forgot that I was going to ask you to say nothing about it. I don't really like being recognized in any regard….”

    WHAT? I couldn’t even shout him out the board.

    And now I have to break my promise (sorry Trent), but you are a tremendous person and everyone should know.

    Gregg
    (EchoCanyon)

    P.S. Just today my daughter was named Grand Marshal of the 2012 walk. Stay tuned for more info.
  • mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    Jeff, by 1st, you mean 9th, yes?
  • Trent is a good guy, that's why his PM really disturbed me. I'll let you read his response once posts. He did call me, we talked for a bit.

    Unfortunately everyone has bad habits no matter how giving or good they are.
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  • You posted threads in order to pull at all our heart strings, and then once that was all done you had a buddy or an alt post a thread asking for money.

    What kind of guy uses a personal loss to suck money out of people? Claiming it's for your kids college fund, then you proceed to spend thousands of dollars on cards.

    I say your greedy, and I'm all about the needy.


    These words hurt greatly today after all I've been through. Trent knows that... This is what bothered me the most.
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  • I'd like to apologize emphatically for this whole mess. I'm really sorry Mike. And I'll apologize to everyone else while I'm at it.

    I wish I could defend myself by saying that I've never heard of this type of donation. But I have no defense for my approach to this, and that's what really started this thread.

    Mike, my comments and approach were certainly way out of line. You didn't deserve to hear any of that at all. I should have asked you kindly or asked someone else before hand if this was common practice, as that would have set me at ease. Instead I waited til I was up half the night drinking and then sent you that first message. That's no excuse at all, especially when I still felt that way and added more in the second message, nearly two days later. And then continued to feel that way until we talked on the phone.

    Mike our phone call was difficult at first, but you're a great guy and we worked it out. Other than the problem here it was really nice talking to you.


    Sorry again Mike, stay well.

  • Woohoo!

    Good ending.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    So all my PMs did not go to waste! LOL Glad you guys spoke. NOW I can go to bed. Good Night all.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • JustinsShoeboxJustinsShoebox Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭
    Great to see you guys work this out. As I get older, the more I understand the two best qualities people can develop are willingness to be understanding and the ability to forgive.

    So glad to see some of our elite members retain these attributes.

    Justin
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    Great you guys worked it out, but I was really expecting a few more pages of drama for my valuable time.

    Mike, stop making so much money and Brent, you should make the trek to Charlotte in a few weeks. image
  • I stand corrected! Both guys are class-acts.

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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm glad you guys could work it out. Kudos to you both.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    BTW ... it was Trent's birthday 2 days ago. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TRENT!!!
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • ok it resolved nm
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